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Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Iva Soreass on 10/02/2008 00:09:43
Ok so tonight i went to the cinema with the missus to watch cloverfield which btw i thought was pretty cool, but as the film was about to start there was these annoying spot lights on still (in the ceeling). Now they was very annoying considering where we was sitting one was praticly right above us and the angle they was facing ment they kinda shone in your eyes while trying to watch the film also not really makeing the screen dark so kinda killed the mood//ambiance to.
So after 10mins it really started to annoy me and my gf so i got up and went to speak to the staff about it, i asked the fella who takes your tickets who replyed "i think they are broke or something" i was like "huh are you for real?", he then went and asked the manager who then came and walked back inside with me to look only to proceed to tell me that "Oh these lights stay on for Health And Safety", i was gobsmacked are these guys for real ? no other cinema i have either been to is like this, EVEN ones by the same company (VUE).
So i ask you, has health and safety in the UK gone bonkers?
Has anyone else experianced this level of lunacy?
***Needless to say we moved from our seats to the dark corner and watched the end of the film, which we both enjoyed.
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Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Iva Soreass on 10/02/2008 00:09:43
Ok so tonight i went to the cinema with the missus to watch cloverfield which btw i thought was pretty cool, but as the film was about to start there was these annoying spot lights on still (in the ceeling). Now they was very annoying considering where we was sitting one was praticly right above us and the angle they was facing ment they kinda shone in your eyes while trying to watch the film also not really makeing the screen dark so kinda killed the mood//ambiance to.
So after 10mins it really started to annoy me and my gf so i got up and went to speak to the staff about it, i asked the fella who takes your tickets who replyed "i think they are broke or something" i was like "huh are you for real?", he then went and asked the manager who then came and walked back inside with me to look only to proceed to tell me that "Oh these lights stay on for Health And Safety", i was gobsmacked are these guys for real ? no other cinema i have either been to is like this, EVEN ones by the same company (VUE).
So i ask you, has health and safety in the UK gone bonkers?
Has anyone else experianced this level of lunacy?
***Needless to say we moved from our seats to the dark corner and watched the end of the film, which we both enjoyed.
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TheWench
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:16:00 -
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But surely avoiding the minute possibility of someone slipping in the dark and giving themselves a nasty bruise is worth ruining the film experience of dozens of people?
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TheWench
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:16:00 -
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But surely avoiding the minute possibility of someone slipping in the dark and giving themselves a nasty bruise is worth ruining the film experience of dozens of people?
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Elliot Reid
Sarah Chalke Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:27:00 -
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This is a true story related to me by a Health & Safety Training Officer.
A man was working at a cement works in at a control panel for some machinery. All the machinery was well guarded and a conveyor, bringing in rocks or something, was some height above him (well out of standing on tip toes arms at full stretch range).
The guarding for the machinery went all the way up to the conveyor. Everything nice and safe.
A bird flew into the area and the man decided he'd catch it so had a go and couldn't. The bird then landed on the non movey part of the conveyor and sat there goading him. He decided he'd climb up the fencing on the guarding to get this bird. When he got to the top he grabbed for the bird but somehow got his arm caught in the gears and chains driving the conveyor. He seriously hurt himself.
His company was successfully prosecuted by the HSE for failing to sa***uard and supervise the employee's safety to a satisfactory level.
Even though this employee climbed a fence to a height well above his reach his employers were deemed responsible.
What really ****s me off is it seems to me we are no longer responsible for our own actions no matter how ******* stupid they are. I find it disgusting that his Company was prosecuted. Don't get me wrong, if a company is grossly negligent they deserve to be prosecuted but this is just ridiculous.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Iva Soreass
Has Health And Safety Gone Mad?
Yes.
Originally by: Elliot Reid
He decided he'd climb up the fencing on the guarding to get this bird.
Well there's the problem right there. The fence should have been non-climbable.
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No, that was not a joke.
It really is up to you to protect people from the consequences of their actions. They bear no responsibility.
You can argue otherwise, but I bet you won't like doing it in court.
I work in engineering / construction and have to accept it as a fact of life. Some of it is good, some of it is bad. Unfortunately the safety culture resolutely refuses to recognise the concept of diminishing returns as a matter of principle. Even tiny incremental safety gains are held to be worth the cost of compliance - any cost in time and money. Because a lot of it comes under criminal law, you do not have a lot of choice. You just pass on as much of it as you can and play the 'safety card' if the customer complains. By the same token they can't.
I am all for keeping people alive, but you can do that without losing all sense of proportion. The health and safety establishment has become the new legal profession, an essential function that has been given so much power that it is able to create work for itself. At the end of the day they are levying a tax on the public, because one way or another that is where the costs end up.
Here is the competition.
I hate seeing the other extreme too.
One day there will be a backlash, I'm sure. Until then, keep pledging loyalty to our insect overlords, eh?
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:12:00 -
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Yes it truely has, in a pub I used to work at we wernt allowed to serve people an egg with their gammon steak for "health and safety" issues.
We also wernt allowed to call coffees "white" or "black", it had to be "without milk" or "with milk", which was pointles as we never had any black people comming in to take offense but thats the whole other issue of political correctness gone mad.
They were crazy over washing your hands aswel but can you realy blame them when they were fined over a thousand pounds becuase a health and safety officer caught an employee wiping his hands on his apron. Don't blame the large companys, they're just protecting thier earnings from law suits.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 10/02/2008 02:16:57
No egg with gammon steak? I'm guessing it's not a Wetherspoons then.
Wow, never realised an afternoon in a Wetherspoons was living life on the edge.
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Kathryn Dougans
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:59:00 -
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Health and Safety legislation in the UK, like the H&S at Work Act 1974, has lots of statements in it that said things like "reduce risk as far as practicable", not "as far as possible", because the Act recognised that risk cannot be eliminated, only reduced. It was all about being reasonable.
Don't know if that has changed at all, but even if it hasn't there is still a difficulty.
Which is that what is reasonable to one person, e.g. the risk assessor, is not necessarily reasonable according to a different person. And when incidents occur, then if the inquiry decides that all reasonable steps weren't taken, then that sets a precedent, so future safety measures have to be even stricter.
It's a vicious circle effect. It's also exploitable by people with agendas. If you say that the safety measures you have in place go as far as practicable, then when there is an incident, then it is easy to argue that more could have been done, but not very easy to argue that all practicable steps were taken - you might be portrayed as putting profits before people, for example.
Changing a lightbulb.
Used to be reasonable that a proper stepladder was provided.
Then you had to ensure there was someone there to hold the stepladder.
Now you have to leave lightbulb changing to someone trained in the safe doing thereof.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.02.10 04:33:00 -
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Over recent decades it has become unacceptable for someone to die in western nations. I blame the lack of major wars. No, Iraq doesn't come even close.
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C Duggan
Gallente
Exotic Dancers Club
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.10 10:20:00 -
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vue in bristol is the same, never had them shining in my eyes but it definately ruins the mood, especialy if your up at the back with a lady friend 
even worse is the odeon in the centre of bristol, went to see sweeny todd, and it was so brignt i may as well have been watching it outside in the summer, its rediculous.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 10:50:00 -
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Health and Safety is important, but sometimes the people responsible for implementation are a little over-zealous.
We have had to change our step-ladders in our works for new safe ones, they have a handrail, and a platform with a lift up rail around it. However, they have caused more injuries than the old type, back injuries from trying to move the things, barrier dropping on fingers, and one case of the thing toppling due to the top-heavy nature.
We buy a piece of machinery to incorporate in our machines, this arrives from Germany with a CE mark and the certificates, yet has no guarding. It uses a wire mesh belt and open gears/drives, when we pointed out it wasn't safe the reply was that you would have to be stupid to put your hand in it, therefore it was safe!
Seems we in the UK are complying with all the Euro regs, yet other countries are not as fervent.
Working at height regulations.... more than 6 inches off the floor you now need a harness and safety rope, I kid you not.
My company was recently sent a solicitors letter from a former employee who worked at our place for 2 months 12 years ago, they were threatening to take the company to court for loss of hearing!
Compensation culture gone mad, this is why Health and Safety is going to get worse. Legislation is trying to remove common sense from society.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Over recent decades it has become unacceptable for someone to die in western nations.
The old joke goes, because it is the last remaining tax dodge.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:21:00 -
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Begining to have second thoughts over going into a Civil Enginearing course if we are that ****** with health and safety.
How much of the 5 year course will be "how to avoid getting sued when some idiot trips" 
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Gyfrex
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Begining to have second thoughts over going into a Civil Enginearing course if we are that ****** with health and safety.
How much of the 5 year course will be "how to avoid getting sued when some idiot trips"
All of it, they don't bother training you to be an actual engineer anymore...theres no point, someones gunna sue you for putting a cable where no one can see it and claiming its unsightly anyway.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Begining to have second thoughts over going into a Civil Enginearing course if we are that ****** with health and safety.
How much of the 5 year course will be "how to avoid getting sued when some idiot trips"
None of it, you will have all those extra courses to look forward to when you get a job.
Luckily they are expense paid.
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Fruitloop on 10/02/2008 13:32:09
Originally by: me bored
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Brea Lafail
Over recent decades it has become unacceptable for someone to die in western nations.
The old joke goes, because it is the last remaining tax dodge.
yes and no. when you die, your former 'worth' is given a value and promptly taxed before being passed on. Government make money out of you even when you die, basically 
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Kirjava
Begining to have second thoughts over going into a Civil Enginearing course if we are that ****** with health and safety.
How much of the 5 year course will be "how to avoid getting sued when some idiot trips"
None of it, you will have all those extra courses to look forward to when you get a job.
Luckily they are expense paid.
Excellent, I got my unconditional from Dundee yesterday so was starting to panic of thats all it was
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Brea Lafail
Over recent decades it has become unacceptable for someone to die in western nations.
The old joke goes, because it is the last remaining tax dodge.
yes and no. when you die, your former 'worth' is given a value and promptly taxed before being passed on. Government make money out of you even when you die, basically
Gordon knows best.
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