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Thyb0000 No.Mercy Merciless. 0	Posted - 2012.02.15 10:46:00 - [1] - Quote Hi All, There is one thing I hate the most as a PVP player, it's when I don't get the killmail which is rightfully mine because the douchebag I attacked self destructs. I would like suggest for CCP to introduce another change in the killmail system. If a ship or pod is attacked while doing self destruct a killmail should be generated. Let me know what your thoughs are about the subject. Thank you! Regards, Thyb
Herold Oldtimer Caldari Provisions Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.02.15 11:35:00 - [2] - Quote The killmail is only rightfully yours if you manage to kill him in time. It is this obsession over killmails that in my opinion makes it hard to pvp since few players dare to go alone againts someone else because of the killmail. A better way to have players suicide less would be to stop insurance payouts in cases of selfdestruction. Will hurt their wallet more than if you blow them up. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 470	Posted - 2012.02.15 14:50:00 - [3] - Quote Thyb0000 wrote: Hi All, There is one thing I hate the most as a PVP player, it's when I don't get the killmail which is rightfully mine because the douchebag I attacked self destructs. Hah! Another person with delusions of self entitlement. To bad they are such a failure and they won't accept that fact nor can they bother to use the search function cause this is like the #918217 "I haz original ideaz!". EVE isn't fair, if something is quote - "rightfully mine!!!!" - end quote then WE ALL HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS!!! (lol like no, I am not interested in a fight at the moment as I travel through your gate camp with 3 billion in tech... but EVE isn't /duel type of game so nothing is rightfully yours or rightfully the other guys) 1. When you undock, you have 119 seconds to turn the ship into ash. Who didn't know that but the OP? 2. Bring more DPS. Yes, it can work! 3. Its in your killbox, you won! If not...then you failed and the guy doing it...is pissing you off and making your ego hurt since you value a score more then him throwing it away. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! Self destruct is working as intended. Ship goes boom, pilot takes a loss which is difficult to replace and isk shifts around on the market, you whine and run to the forums. Killmails, Lossmails, and killboards...zero ******* effect at all on actual game play. Its the ID-10T: USER ERROR that is the problem putting to much value on something they belive is rightfully theirs and EVE being EVE . . .you do everything to either win (derp! bring enough damage) or do everything to make the other guy mad even if you are losing (like ganking hulks, you are losing the ship but the other guy is losing his as well...but local spikes with obscenities more from the hulk pilot) BTW, I called it months ago: After logoffski fixed, more ships will self destruct since they can't get away! Woot! Keep it up fellas, the whines are keeping the forums warm tonight.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 7333	Posted - 2012.02.15 15:06:00 - [4] - Quote Thyb0000 wrote: when I don't get the killmail which is rightfully mine because the douchebag I attacked self destructs. This is the flaw in your post. It's not rightfully yours, because you didn't earn it. But this *original never suggested before idea, is pointless as CCP have indicated your failure to kill someone will more than likely, get you a KM in the future CCP Zulu.....* Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
mxzf Shovel Bros 623	Posted - 2012.02.15 16:47:00 - [5] - Quote Mag's wrote: But this *original never suggested before idea*, is pointless as CCP have indicated your failure to kill someone before they SD'd, will more than likely get you a KM in the future. If they do end up doing this, I think it would be amazing if the self-destructing party was on the KM too. I mean, of the attackers do 50000 damage and the defending ship deals the last 50000 damage to itself (via self destruct) then they should get credit for the damage they did to themselves too (fair is fair afterall). Let the tears pour in about people who are upset that the defending party ended up at the top of their own KM, lol
Buzzy Warstl Huron Syndicate 11	Posted - 2012.02.15 17:02:00 - [6] - Quote If self destruct killmails are sent they should follow the current rules as far as showing who did how much damage, and definitely as far as who gets credit for the kill. That would be sweevil.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 471	Posted - 2012.02.15 17:14:00 - [7] - Quote Buzzy Warstl wrote: If self destruct killmails are sent they should follow the current rules as far as showing who did how much damage, and definitely as far as who gets credit for the kill. That would be sweevil. Nope, KM would have to reflect the truth: Since you didn't actually kill it, a loss mail goes to the guy in the ship and to the attacker. KB would then have to reflect it as a loss as if it was a loss for the pilot it self, because since you failed to kill the ship then your precious gamer score should get reduced as well as the guy who lost the ship in the first place.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 7336	Posted - 2012.02.15 17:42:00 - [8] - Quote mxzf wrote: Mag's wrote: But this *original never suggested before idea, is pointless as CCP have indicated your failure to kill someone before they SD'd, will more than likely get you a KM in the future. If they do end up doing this, I think it would be amazing if the self-destructing party was on the KM too. I mean, of the attackers do 50000 damage and the defending ship deals the last 50000 damage to itself (via self destruct) then they should get credit for the damage they did to themselves too (fair is fair afterall). Let the tears pour in about people who are upset that the defending party ended up at the top of their own KM, lol I like the cut of your jib. CCP Zulu.....* Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Simi Kusoni The Synergy Cascade Imminent 165	Posted - 2012.02.15 18:34:00 - [9] - Quote mxzf wrote: Mag's wrote: But this *original never suggested before idea*, is pointless as CCP have indicated your failure to kill someone before they SD'd, will more than likely get you a KM in the future. If they do end up doing this, I think it would be amazing if the self-destructing party was on the KM too. I mean, of the attackers do 50000 damage and the defending ship deals the last 50000 damage to itself (via self destruct) then they should get credit for the damage they did to themselves too (fair is fair afterall). Let the tears pour in about people who are upset that the defending party ended up at the top of their own KM, lol Rofl, sounds like a pretty amusing compromise. Also, isn't this the fourth thread on this this week? WTB sticky guide to using search function.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 7342	Posted - 2012.02.15 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: Also, isn't this the fourth thread on this this week? WTB sticky guide to using search function. Here was me thinking of just how original it was. Fool me once damn you. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 3132	Posted - 2012.02.15 20:06:00 - [11] - Quote I say the person who self destructed be the only person who gets the kill mail. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1179	Posted - 2012.02.15 20:36:00 - [12] - Quote Yes! Let the self destructor get a killmail for his own suicide, while denying griefer bunnies their kills and hobos their free loot. Its genius! The griefer tears is soooo yummy!
Simi Kusoni The Synergy Cascade Imminent 166	Posted - 2012.02.15 20:40:00 - [13] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Yes! Let the self destructor get a killmail for his own suicide, while denying griefer bunnies their kills and hobos their free loot. Its genius! The griefer tears is soooo yummy! Gotta love the anti-pvp types that still play Eve, at least you're persistent. If I wasn't willing to accept that PvP is a part of Eve I think I'd have rage quit years ago.
Funkert Stimulus Rote Kapelle 0	Posted - 2012.02.15 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Aqriue wrote: [quote=Thyb0000] 2. Bring more DPS. Yes, it can work! yes! bigger gangs, that's what eve needs, thank you! /sarcasm I like the idea of the self-destructer on the killmail though. Just generate a lossmail and a killmail* where the self-destructer did all the damage and whoever was shooting him is on there with 0 damage. I don't care about top damage, i just want acknowledgement that some guy is out of a cap ship thanks to me. He already gets his enjoyment out of denying me any loot. *killmail would be needed because otherwise the selfdestructing player would just not upload his lossmail. btw, didnt ccp already say fairly recently they were looking into the possibility of 'selfdestruct-mails' ?
mxzf Shovel Bros 632	Posted - 2012.02.15 21:31:00 - [15] - Quote Funkert wrote: *killmail would be needed because otherwise the selfdestructing player would just not upload his lossmail. Most players, especially people who care about their KB e-peen, are typically already either on their API or their corp/alliance's API for KBs. I was under the impression that most people in general simply use the API pulls for their KMs, meaning that this isn't an issue.
Simi Kusoni The Synergy Cascade Imminent 166	Posted - 2012.02.15 21:42:00 - [16] - Quote mxzf wrote: Funkert wrote: *killmail would be needed because otherwise the selfdestructing player would just not upload his lossmail. Most players, especially people who care about their KB e-peen, are typically already either on their API or their corp/alliance's API for KBs. I was under the impression that most people in general simply use the API pulls for their KMs, meaning that this isn't an issue. Yes, but some people would disable their API on BC 5 minutes after having self destructed a ship, or delete it from their corp KB because "it doesn't count", or not bother to API verify their super carrier alts etc. In fact I know some people would do that, because it's exactly what I would do
Ranger Force Syndicate of Suns 0	Posted - 2012.02.26 09:41:00 - [17] - Quote I just got a navy raven (battleship) to half armor with my slicer (frigate) - 45min. At 47min he blew himself up. Now no one is going to believe me unless I had a killmail. It was epic, had to be a fail fit, but again no killmail to look at.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 478	Posted - 2012.02.26 17:00:00 - [18] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: [Yes, but some people would disable their API on BC 5 minutes after having self destructed a ship, or delete it from their corp KB because "it doesn't count", or not bother to API verify their super carrier alts etc. In fact I know some people would do that, because it's exactly what I would do And you Simi, want to increase cap timers. So...why care to extend it cap timers if you want to deny it....oh wait as you ca see so long as it benifits you its ok...but to the other guy its **** YOU BUDDY!!!. Human nature, at its finest.
joebro1060 Varion Galactic Tragedy. 4	Posted - 2012.02.26 20:36:00 - [19] - Quote U should NOT get a killmail for someone self destructig. I could possibly see all those involved in attacking a pilot who successfully self destructs their ship being linked, with damage amounts, on an "assisted suicide" mail though.
Simi Kusoni The Synergy Cascade Imminent 219	Posted - 2012.02.26 21:37:00 - [20] - Quote Aqriue wrote: And you Simi, want to increase cap timers. So...why care to extend it cap timers if you want to deny it....oh wait as you ca see so long as it benifits you its ok...but to the other guy its **** YOU BUDDY!!!. Human nature, at its finest. Just because I abuse something, doesn't mean I should be able to abuse it :) I'd also use the short self destruct timers if I ever had a cap I knew I was going to lose, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg

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