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000Hunter000
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.02.10 15:51:00 -
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Personally i started wondering about this, as it is now, if u have access to an R&D agent u can set it to a path and not have to visit it ever unless to claim the datacores, in all fairness i personally think this is completely non eve like tbh.
So what would happen if people actually had to do the missions the R&D agent gives out to get RP's? would this dramatically collapse the T2 market? Personally i think the T2 market is getting out of hand, T2 stuff is getting too damn cheap.
So even though i would personally suffer from this (i have a lot of R&D agents so i get a lot of points and datacores) i would not really mind if ccp changed this and would adapt.
Also as to make the pain a little tolerable, perhaps the missions could be atleast worth someones while (u get loot and rewards just like any other mission) or if u dislike doing missions there might be some other way like 'paying off' the agent and still get rp's.
So, convince me otherwise, why should u not have to run missions to get rp's? Some thought out reasoning would be appreciated and atleast try to keep it a lil civil 
***Please note that i did not say i want this changed asap, i said i would not mind and adapt to the new situation if it did get changed***
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:07:00 -
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well a flaimbait =)
money for nothing is bad , thats what the current system is
i think they should implement something like the rp¦s drop 10% per day your not missioning or so
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Caligulus
Legion of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:49:00 -
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Just put datacores in LP stores like they've discussed. T2 stuff is cheap because some inventors are building T2 goods and not factoring in the invention cost in the base value of the item.
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Bartom Dekkar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.10 18:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Caligulus
Just put datacores in LP stores like they've discussed. T2 stuff is cheap because some inventors are building T2 goods and not factoring in the invention cost in the base value of the item.
How big an effect can this have on the market? With max skills you can get what, less than 40 datacores per day per account? This would take months of skill time and you would have to work quite a bit to set this up. Once you did this, that is enough datacores for 10 module invention jobs, or about 50 built modules. If you didn't factor anything in for the cost of the datacores, you would be underpricing each module by 400k. Is someone who put this much time and effort into it likely to do that? You would need hundreds of such folks doing so to significantly affect the market.
Sorry if I totally missed what you were getting at, but it just doesn't make much sense to me.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.02.10 20:20:00 -
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Ok, so R&D agents go join all the other agents, u get lp's instead of rp's and u can buy the datacores with lp, so this would mean u would have to do missions to get the cores. Thats something people wouldn't mind? Tbh it sounds rather good to me.
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Dikat
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Posted - 2008.02.18 15:49:00 -
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I wouldn't say it's money for nothing. I spent months training up skills and running missions to get high enough standings to get research agents. Now when it comes time to collect, I need to run around all over creation to pick them all up and there's a chance I could lose it all to lowsec pirates. That's a pretty hefty investment of time and effort to get what I could easily recover by ratting for two hours. I actually use mine for invention as well. A few months ago it was well worth it but the datacores have dropped in value significantly. Now I wouldn't recommend anyone bother with it.
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William Ortega
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 16:31:00 -
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Putting datacores in LP stores will probably make them cheaper in the long run by normalizing their price. There will be no more expensive datacores (expensive now due to lack of a particular agent). The mission farmers will quicky pull the bottom out of the datacore market.
That being said, I don't like the idea at all as it invalidates completely a career path and literally months of training and standing grind. The career of researcher capable of using multiple agents and researching in multiple field would go out of a window. I'm sure that removing time sinks is not exactly in CCP's interest.
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Whip Slagcheek
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:23:00 -
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You do not want datacores in the LP store. Think of the hundreds of LP farming bestowers in low sec. The market completely bottomed out on some implants (ones from corporations that offer courier missions) when they removed the nexus chip NPC buy orders.
If you want to normalize datacore prices, suggest some datacore exhange system.
"Hey man, if you can manage to get 3 datacores from my competitor, I'll give you 2 of my highly prized datacores."
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.18 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bartom Dekkar
Edited by: Bartom Dekkar on 10/02/2008 19:21:41
Originally by: Caligulus
Just put datacores in LP stores like they've discussed. T2 stuff is cheap because some inventors are building T2 goods and not factoring in the invention cost in the base value of the item.
How big an effect can this have on the market? With max skills you can get what, less than 40 datacores per day per account? This would take months of skill time and you would have to work quite a bit to set this up. Once you did this, that is enough datacores for 10 module invention jobs, or about 50 built modules. If you didn't factor anything in for the cost of the datacores, you would be underpricing each module by 400k. Is someone who put this much time and effort into it likely to do that? You would need hundreds of such folks doing so to significantly affect the market.
Sorry if I totally missed what you were getting at, but it just doesn't make much sense to me.
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Putting datacores in the LP store is a good idea, though.
Very simple reply: there are hundred (if not thousands) of people doing exactly that: considering that the datacores they use in invention cost nothing.
In the little circle of personal acquaintances as inventors about 1/4 think that.
There are even builders that think that the production of the POS reactors they use cost nothing. You can see a good number of them posting in forum.
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William Ortega
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
stuff
Sounds a lot better than putting datacores in LP stores as it does not invalidate the researcher career path.
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Patri Andari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:30:00 -
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Straight to the OP.
I discovered the system too late to get a T2 BPO, but I set myself up to harvest datacores on my main. At this time, I now have access to level 4 agents for 6 of the 10 R&D agents of the 4 major factions. My plan is to get 10 of 10 and then stop running missions. Most people would not invest such time. I expect to be rewarded for my efforts with a nice annuity. Is it time consuming? Yes! Now you want to come along and run a few missions for a corp and get them for so little effort?
If you want datacores from a LP store you should expect them to cost alot more lp and require even higher corp and faction standing, otherwise I have wasted alot of time.
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Artmedis Valben
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2008.02.19 13:17:00 -
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Atm I only do R&D missions when I have an errand that brings me close to my agents AND I have a little time to kill. I have tritanium stored at every agent, so completing the missions is fairly easy the worst are 3-6 jumps delivering 1m3 into low sec, but since I maxed skills for all my agents and have ground missions/trained connections to get good agents each mission adds 1-2 cores.
Of course since the prices have plummeted in the past 2 months, that is at best only about 1-2mil extra profit. Best agents now only yield a little over 2mil per day. So atm grinding missions and training up for R&D agents isn't really worth the time and effort anymore.
That being said up to 10mil passive income per character is pretty good. Not long ago it was close to 25mil...
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notaway
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.24 16:14:00 -
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tsk tsk tsk--such a lack of planning--I am unhappy that for the last 3 wks my computer has been out getting upgraded and I cannot be running the daily R&D agent missions.. I have them all close together and so it's no problem running them. I like running them especially as they are simplistic and count towards storyline missions.. I don't do any of that invention stuff, I just sell the datacores but those Invention ppl have it tough and some part of Invention should be easy and getting datacores is that part..... I really feel sorry for ppl that do explorations and invention (well maybe not--they have a lot iskies or time to spend for any success) all those failures.....And all that math--yuck
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:12:00 -
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Not yet dead so getting it back up.
Heard some good ideas
All in all i think there should be some more involvement into getting RP's instead of just setting it and leaving it alone untill u need rp's
Another idea was if u do missions for the agent u get a chance on getting T2 bpcs (not too often offcourse) so this could also be an incentive to doing the R&D missions.
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notaway
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:49:00 -
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There is an incentive already to do the daily R&D missions--u double the daily rate of RP's received and they count toward storylines. That's the only incentive I need.
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