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Wrench Wizard
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Posted - 2008.02.10 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Wrench Wizard on 10/02/2008 23:22:14
Our noob corp is being harrassed by Gear Ratio in the Verge Vendor sector. We are a peaceful corp of miners and only 8 members they have 31. None of our members re more than 2 months into the game. Gear Ratio wanted to buy us out and when we said no they declared war. They have been poding our pilots and say they will not quit until we surrender or our corp disolves. Can anyone help us with these griefers?
Pilot Rothas
Industrial Minerial and Freight
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marie blueprint
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Posted - 2008.02.10 23:43:00 -
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put an alt as ceo have everyone join the rookie corp leave the alt in station sighned on 23/7 till they get bored.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.11 00:31:00 -
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Ouch... Sucks mate, been there. If they have more than one corp dec'd you can always try to band together, but 31vs8 isn't much of a good number to start. 
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you win eve
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Nexa Neci5
THE REALLY AWESOME PLAYERS.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wrench Wizard
Edited by: Wrench Wizard on 10/02/2008 23:22:14
Our noob corp is being harrassed by Gear Ratio in the Verge Vendor sector. We are a peaceful corp of miners and only 8 members they have 31. None of our members re more than 2 months into the game. Gear Ratio wanted to buy us out and when we said no they declared war. They have been poding our pilots and say they will not quit until we surrender or our corp disolves. Can anyone help us with these griefers?
Pilot Rothas
Industrial Minerial and Freight
My advice would be to bow to any demand they make. I mean, whatever ransom they asked you for will be less than the isk value of all the ships you're going to lose in the future to them.
Just chalk it up as a noob learning experience, and learn to keep your carebear mouths shut in local in the future.
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Pilot Rothas
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Posted - 2008.02.11 01:14:00 -
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Ok I get it now,
The method is to prevent any new Corps to form at all. You experienced gamers with 2 years of skill training are the only ones who can have corps and as soon as somone new tries you can just squash them. Declare war on the noob miners who cares about them? Not much honor huh.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.11 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Rothas
Ok I get it now,
The method is to prevent any new Corps to form at all. You experienced gamers with 2 years of skill training are the only ones who can have corps and as soon as somone new tries you can just squash them. Declare war on the noob miners who cares about them? Not much honor huh.
EVE is not about honor. By making a corp you said "Yes, I would like to open myself to wardeclarations in exchange for the benefits of having a corp".
Learn the game mechanics, find a way to get them out of your hair (there are many, including moving your HQ, the swap trick mentioned above, hiring mercenaries...)
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.02.11 02:09:00 -
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try to pay some mercs to help?
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.11 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Rothas
Ok I get it now,
The method is to prevent any new Corps to form at all. You experienced gamers with 2 years of skill training are the only ones who can have corps and as soon as somone new tries you can just squash them. Declare war on the noob miners who cares about them? Not much honor huh.
Yup. Less people = Less lag.
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Cyriel Longinus
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.02.11 02:41:00 -
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Be grateful. Those thirty-one hostiles have made EvE more exciting for you.
Advice: Suck it up and play on, if your corporation falls apart over this then your team didn't have what's worth a dam. Also notice the vultures and dead weight that leaves the corp because it got too rough for them, that's a good thing.
Now I'm not suggesting that you pay them off ... if you do that, everyone will wardec you for a ransom.
Make friends with a few PvP freaks and point them to the target.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Bloody Red Souls
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: marie blueprint
put an alt as ceo have everyone join the rookie corp leave the alt in station sighned on 23/7 till they get bored.
Corp jumping is an exploit.
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Annanda
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.11 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: marie blueprint
put an alt as ceo have everyone join the rookie corp leave the alt in station sighned on 23/7 till they get bored.
Corp jumping is an exploit.
Sure it is.
What next cry to have CCP prevent anyone from leaving a corp. during a war?
That'll work well.
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Kitten Celeste
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Posted - 2008.02.11 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: marie blueprint
put an alt as ceo have everyone join the rookie corp leave the alt in station sighned on 23/7 till they get bored.
Corp jumping is an exploit.
No it isn't, that's alliance hopping.
And make sure to declare mutual before you leave an alt in charge 
in b4 post with your main
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PwnzDeLeOwnz
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Posted - 2008.02.11 09:25:00 -
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Get a bunch of cheap t1 ships (frigates, destroyers and cruisers). Fit them with decent and disposable weapons and modules. Band together and gank any enemy corp member you run across. Most likely they will be in BS, so you'll loose a few ships, but even if you destroy one of their ships you'll be ahead. A cruiser swarm can do nasty things to a lone BS...
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Grim Starwind
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:29:00 -
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Tell them to lick your balls.
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Malicious Afterthought
PRIDE OF THE BLACK JOKE
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Starwind
Tell them to lick your balls.
I do believe that the correct historic protocol for refusing a demand to surrender is:
"Nuts"
OP: Go and hide down in low sec for a bit, they probably won't follow you down there.
On the other hand, it might give you a whole load of interesting new problems.
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Nuts Nougat
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Posted - 2008.02.11 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Malicious Afterthought
Originally by: Grim Starwind
Tell them to lick your balls.
I do believe that the correct historic protocol for refusing a demand to surrender is:
"Nuts"
OP: Go and hide down in low sec for a bit, they probably won't follow you down there.
On the other hand, it might give you a whole load of interesting new problems.
Someone called?
OP: If your primary objective is mining there's a tool called "Create channel" in "Channels & mailing lists" window and a whole series of corporations called "noob corps" that give you immunity to your current problem.
Or you could do what ^ said but mining in lowsec seems stupid at best atm.
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 13:19:00 -
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if you cant beat it, join it. people who mine without being forced to are always a good thing, maybe they could use a industrial wing? or if they are tards, search a good corp/alliance for protection in exchange for mins or whatever you do with it
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Naval Protection Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.02.11 13:35:00 -
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Try to get your corp into an Alliance of likeminded corps.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:42:00 -
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Contact GoGo Yubari in game. We may be able to help you, we may not. No promises, no fees.
Violence isn't the answer, it is the question.
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Cruthensis
Gallente
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.02.11 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Pilot Rothas
Yes, I would like to open myself to wardeclarations in exchange for the benefits of having a corp
This.
Just because you can form a new corp, doesn't mean you should form a new corp. The corps that last are typically run by the more experienced players.
1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1. |
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Reacz
Caldari
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:11:00 -
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What you do is scout where they live, then leave some bait for them in system then, when they engage you surprise them, pew pew, bang bang, whether you win or lose at least you put up a fight.
From my experience these 'decs' only last as long as you fail to put up any form of resistance.
Swapping corps is for losers, and if you do that, I hope they just keep deccing you tbh.
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Shade Widow
Gallente
Concord Fire Department
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:38:00 -
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If you can provide intel on some of their ships and places they hang out... my corp might be interested in playing with them.
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.11 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nexa Neci5
My advice would be to bow to any demand they make. I mean, whatever ransom they asked you for will be less than the isk value of all the ships you're going to lose in the future to them.
Just chalk it up as a noob learning experience, and learn to keep your carebear mouths shut in local in the future.
This guy has nothing to do with TRAPS.
When you form a corp, as others have noted, you are opening yourself up to war decs, so it isn't advisable to start a corporation unless you're full prepared to defend it. Corps don't need a reason to dec you. Eve isn't a friendly place.
You could always do what countless others have done, and go groveling to an alliance. I'm not saying this will help, as you may just be giving your 'friends' more targets to shoot at That's what a lot of our targets seem to do.
Or, you may want to talk to them, and see if you can resolve this 'dispute' via diplomacy. You never know, something could work out.
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Rackar al'Ulqua
Arclight Support Services
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Posted - 2008.02.11 16:32:00 -
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Post with your main; and maybe someone could contact you to help. I doubt anyone would declare war on [CAS] newbie corporation. Feel free to contact me with the real corporate director.
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Aran Miner
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Posted - 2008.02.11 17:46:00 -
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I advice you move 45 jumps away and start there.
Another option is to mine in low sec and pay the one who 'controls' that system a fee to set you blue. This way you have higher end ore and it's unlikely that your war buddys follow you.
Move to Sahtogas Maybe not the safest place but near high sec, has a station and you can run missions.
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Hexperience
Amarr
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nexa Neci5
Originally by: Wrench Wizard
Edited by: Wrench Wizard on 10/02/2008 23:22:14
Our noob corp is being harrassed by Gear Ratio in the Verge Vendor sector. We are a peaceful corp of miners and only 8 members they have 31. None of our members re more than 2 months into the game. Gear Ratio wanted to buy us out and when we said no they declared war. They have been poding our pilots and say they will not quit until we surrender or our corp disolves. Can anyone help us with these griefers?
Pilot Rothas
Industrial Minerial and Freight
My advice would be to bow to any demand they make. I mean, whatever ransom they asked you for will be less than the isk value of all the ships you're going to lose in the future to them.
Just chalk it up as a noob learning experience, and learn to keep your carebear mouths shut in local in the future.
The quoted character Nexa Neci5 is not a member of TRAPS. Just another cowardly alt.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:03:00 -
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They really need to make a sticky post with good advice for people like this. This question seems to get asked quite often.
My corp specializes in Empire War. Sometimes targets are purely random, sometimes it's specific.
Keep these things in mind...
1. It's always good to understand why you're being dec'd. Maybe it's random bad luck. Maybe one of your members smack talked or did something untowards the other corp. That leads the next tip.
2. Try diplomacy. Don't assume just because they're pirates/griefers/whatever that they won't listen. Be sensible, be practical. If they're asking for 50mil, evaluate the offer. Can you make that back in 1 or 2 days or a week? Probably. Will you make any money in station after 3 weeks of war? Probably not.
People will tell you, "If you pay one, then more will follow." That's a myth. Why? Search the forums. Do you see anyone posting, "What do I do now, I keep paying surrender fees and I keep getting dec'd by their friends!"? No you don't. It's not realistic. It's also not smart business-wise for a corp to dec you knowing you're a small corp who just paid a ransom. You can't get blood from a stone.
Understand the costs of war. For example I see a lot of corps that think my corp will stop pursuing because of boredom and costs. Boredom probably won't play a factor, especially in a situation where the other corp is making the war dec personal. Also, it only costs the opposing corp 2 million ISK per week to keep the war active. It jumps up to 18mil per week for keeping 3 corps declared. 18mil a week is nothing. You can make that in a day easily. Don't be fooled into thinking the opposing corp is loosing ISK out the ears to maintain the war. I've seen corps who think it's costing me 100mil a week to dec them. It's only when alliance wars are involved where the ISK jumps to that level.
3. Don't be fooled by numbers. 31 people in a corp can easily translate to 3 online players sometimes. I think my corp has 30 members showing, half of them haven't been online in months, some in weeks, it's usually the same 8 people on at different times, so we have maybe 4 people online if we're lucky.
4. Don't bother with the "Get into ECM frigs and watch how awesome they are!" tactics either. They really don't work against any decent pilots. It's a waste of time and skill training for you for the most part.
http://repo.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=10255
5. Be respectful at all times. Just because you think they're scum low-lifes for griefing you, it's only a game. Sexual, racist, and homophobic insults are not conducive to ending a war. Don't be a sore loser and don't be a sore winner either. You should respect others play styles. Remember, it's just a game, no need to take it personally.
6. Keep your corp involved in decision making. For example, we have a corp dec'd right now where I offered the CEO 100mil to end the war. Not only did he smack talk in response, he didn't even pass the info on to the members of his corp. 31 losses later costing over 1bil in assets, not to mention the fact all they do is stay docked all day long, so no ISK incoming via mining, missions or trading. They think it's costing us 100+ mil a week so they're waiting for us to go broke, when in reality it's 6mil a week to dec them and that ain't making anyone broke.
Some people might scoff at those but I can guarantee you, I have seen all of it happen 20x over.
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Eiire
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:10:00 -
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Back in my first days we had a few wars that were in Empire space before we branched out, one of which was with a known griefer corp that picked on small mining corps. They came at us with tons of T2 fully fitted ships against our Cruisers and spare BS here and there. We lost a lot of ships but we learned a ton very quickly about empire pvp and the ins and outs of wars.
Was it worth it? I think so... I learned quite a bit and so did my corp mates. Don't let people in Eve push you around.
Now, what I would like to see is the ability for newer wardec'd corps to pay Concord in certain systems to keep them safe, that would be a nice alternative then paying a ransom ;) Say you have one system that you live/mine in, you can pay Concord a set sum of money and as long as you dont leave that system the pirates cannot attack you openly there. Sorta like a safe spot... hell if you can dec them whenever/wherever there should also be the ability to maintain at least 1 safe system so you are not denied the experience to play completely. <shrug>
Cheers,
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Pilot Rothas
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rackar al'Ulqua
Post with your main; and maybe someone could contact you to help. I doubt anyone would declare war on [CAS] newbie corporation. Feel free to contact me with the real corporate director.
Not posting with my main was just another noob mistake. I want to thank everyone who gave advice. It looks like we just were not ready to form a corp. Our mistake thinking as miners we would be left alone. We had not taken into consideration the mafia aspect of the game until we got the message "pay or somthing unfourtunate may happen to ya". Not in high sec anyway. So now we know it's not an isolated incident not anything personal "Just business" as Tony Soprano would say. We will probably form a new corp later when we can guard ourselves better.
Thanks again
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Rothas
Originally by: Rackar al'Ulqua
Post with your main; and maybe someone could contact you to help. I doubt anyone would declare war on [CAS] newbie corporation. Feel free to contact me with the real corporate director.
Not posting with my main was just another noob mistake. I want to thank everyone who gave advice. It looks like we just were not ready to form a corp. Our mistake thinking as miners we would be left alone. We had not taken into consideration the mafia aspect of the game until we got the message "pay or somthing unfourtunate may happen to ya". Not in high sec anyway. So now we know it's not an isolated incident not anything personal "Just business" as Tony Soprano would say. We will probably form a new corp later when we can guard ourselves better.
Thanks again
If by defend yourself you mean, "until we can get a few people into rapiers and bombers and have them parked next to a few mining ships in a belt as tasty bait to our soon-to-be-dead aggressors" then yes, best wait until you can do that.
The other alternative is to simply move.
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