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Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.02.10 23:55:00 - [1] Personally I didn't aimed for it. I was working as a salesman, the computer broke, I fixed it and got offer the position of tech support because of it. Then they made me the admin, then the developer, etc etc. Now I've spent so many years doing IT that my resume is not good for anything else. I've been sucked into the IT world. So, IT worker, did you aimed for IT or were you sucked into it? PS: This thread is about how you ended up in IT. It is not about how much it sucks to be on IT. But if you feel the need to vent your frustration with the IT industry, by all means, flame away.
Lord MuffloN Caldari Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.02.11 00:09:00 - [2] Well, I'm going into IT, that's all I can say for now, if I become a software engineer or maintenance technician is yet to see as I love both Originally by: Jago Kain If they ever decide to award a Nobel Prize for Emo, Lord MuffloN is a sure fire winner of the first on
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.02.11 00:20:00 - [3] As with many IT pros, I have a similar story, except mine ends (so far) differently. Now 29, I've been using and fixing my own computers for about 23 years. I was in the Silicon Valley during most of those. It just seemed natural to go into that industry as I got older and out of high school. After time at various companies, I decided several years ago that I was done, and moved back to Colorado to be a ski bum. I did that for a couple years, and am now in Denver working in education. The IT world can suck you in, but it's really not that hard to get out. You just have to be willing to turn your back on everything and start having fun somewhere else. At this point, I don't see myself going back to IT anytime in the near future, as there are very little, if any jobs out there in this area that will pay me comparably to what I make now. Plus, I get about four months off per year. That's tough to beat. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.11 00:42:00 - [4] But IT pay well isn;t it? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.02.11 00:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But IT pay well isn;t it? I wouldn't know, my wife spends all me money
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.11 00:48:00 - [6] So you earn liek 6 digits per yaer? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.02.11 01:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire So you earn liek 6 digits per yaer? Nah... close though, a few Ks short. I could get the 6 figures if I accept a management position or if I move up north (New York for example). But I rather avoid the management drama and the butt-freezing snow.
Witchking Minmatar British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.11 01:12:00 - [8] I've had a computer since the Sinclair ZX80 and it was more a hobby than anything else. Lost my job in Civil Engineering in the late 80's and a friend got me a temp position with an engineering comapny. In 2 weeks I managed to circumnavigate the security on both the network (token ring!) and the phone system and had me dialling up bullitin boards (no www back then!) all day long. I.T. found out and offered me a network admin job....20 year later I'm working towards my second CCIE, and hoping to actully work for Cisco if things work out fine! wk.
Aaron Ravenwood	Posted - 2008.02.11 08:48:00 - [9] Edited by: Aaron Ravenwood on 11/02/2008 08:50:21 When I was in the Marines in the early '70's I was trying to figure out what I wanted to study in college when I got out. I liked History ... so that's what I did. I thought about Engineering for a few minutes ... then thought about my math skills and didn't think about it again for ... 8 or 9 years. During that time I got a Bachelors and a Masters in History. Trouble was ... I was on the tail end of the baby boom and they were no longer giving tenure at that time. Essentially they could hire 3 un-tenured professors for the price of 2 tenured ones ... so that's what they did. Problem was ... when you came up for tenure - you were NOT going to get it. In Academia this is a death sentence. For one thing ... it's up or out. You don't hang around after you get turned down but - you can't get hired anywhere else. There's a research funding game the schools play where they'll say things about their competition for grants such as "Welll ... of course you know ... XYZ University has hired some of the people we refused Tenure ... so obviously ... their standards aren't as high as ours ..." So ... I was thinking about law school. Had a bunch of friends at the time who were law students. Took the LSAT a couple times and had a decent chance to get in to some moderately good schools ... but ... then I heard that there was a coming glut of lawyers ... So much for that. The last thing I needed was yet another useless degree ... Welll about this time ... I had a student assistant job on campus working with a girl who was an Engineering Major ... so ... I figured that if she could do it ... I could do it. Welll ... it was just about has hard as I had thought it was going to be in the first place and ... my health was deteriorating ... so I wasn't making a lot of progress. After about 4 years ... I'd now been in college for 13 years ... and was sick of it ... and sick of being poor. I wanted a job. Rewind a bit to my finishing up my thesis. Me, my brother and one of his friends typed up the final version of my thesis on a Z80 S100 system his friend had built himself. We used Word Star like version 1.1 or something. When I found out, after having spent 9 years as a History Major (and a Creative Writing Minor) typing hundreds of pages worth of papers on a Smith Corona Portable Typewriter ... that all you had to do ... to cut and paste ... was to block off the text on screen and move it around (instead of using scissors and tape) ... I was sold. I decided right then and there "I'm going to get me one of these!" I took a bunch of programming classes and became the company programmer for the Copy Machine Company that was my current student job. When that company went out of business ... I got a job as a programmer in a large organization. Eventually I went from being a programmer to being an Analyst, then to being a Systems Administrator. That's what I was doing when I retired. I loved working in IT. Another factor in my IT career was that somewhere along the line ... I discovered that I did not like working with people. I liked helping them ... but I didn't like ... the kind of situations you got in as a teacher. I liked working with machines a lot better. Just not a people person. More power to those who are ... but I ain't one of them. Never did finish that Engineering degree ... sigh ... I never intended to stop ... I planned on taking evening classes and such ... but once I started working not only FULL time but all the OVER time you do in IT ... I just didn't have the time or energy to keep going to college. shrug ... so it goes. As to money ... yeah ... high 5 figures for a tech guy. Some guys make more but mostly ... you have to go into management to get 6 figures ... and managers ... work with people ... and ... paper ... ugh ... nope ... not for me. . . .

CCP Mindstar	Posted - 2008.02.11 08:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Kata Dakini The IT world can suck you in, but it's really not that hard to get out. You just have to be willing to turn your back on everything and start having fun somewhere else. So true --

Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.11 13:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire So you earn liek 6 digits per yaer? Not hardly. I just got a job as admin, I pull down about 60k USD. You can earn 6 figures, but you have to be a really good programmer on a specialist type of project. I am sure many ccp guys earn 6 figures. For hardware, its less possible, unless you are a certified instructor...perhaps a router guy. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Aaron Ravenwood	Posted - 2008.02.11 17:47:00 - [12] Edited by: Aaron Ravenwood on 11/02/2008 17:50:33 Yeah. Router Guys' are still something of an elite but ... it isn't your ordinary every day Router Guy pulling in 6 figures. It's the network trouble shooters and designers that get that kind of money. At one point in time tech people were rarer ... so they could demand more money ... but ... there wasn't as much money to be made. Now ... you've got all kinds of tech people ... but ... there's a lot more money to be made so there are jobs for them ... but it's become more of a trade than a profession - especially hardware. Early on, a very few people became phenomenally rich because they were in the right place, at the right time, with the right idea ... but ... that's hardly anyone. It's about the same thing as being a rock star. For everyone you see selling platinum CD's there's tens of thousands playing in garage bands or small clubs. But people think the same thing "Oh! You play rock and roll! You're going to be a star!" and "Oh! You're a tech guy! Are you rich yet?" Mostly the answer is "No." It was a great job. When I first started - I couldn't believe people were actually going to pay me money to work on computers when I would have gladly paid them for the privilege so ... I was lucky to get out of a field I wasn't really suited for (lack of people skills) and into one I was. Studying History was fun ... teaching ... wasn't. I still love reading history and watching the History Channel but it's like this Engineering Major said to me once about my Masters "You majored in your hobby" and he was right. I think the problem for a lot of people - is that they got into IT so they could make money ... but ... they were really "people" oriented and didn't actually like working with technology. But that happens all the time. People end up in jobs because they blundered into them and don't want to go through the very real risk involved in giving up something that does pay the rent to try and do something else. I've got a relative who had an established career as a therapist. He was tired of doing it and the state he moved to passed regulations that required him to go to school full time for two years to get a certification that was inferior to the degree he already had. So - he didn't do it but he took the retraining fund that came along with his unemployment and studied web design. He graduated right about the time of the dot com bust ... So ... now he's building boats. shrug Mostly ... we all just blunder through life doing what seems to be a good idea at the time ... . . .
Skarsnik Caldari A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.11 18:28:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Mindstar Originally by: Kata Dakini The IT world can suck you in, but it's really not that hard to get out. You just have to be willing to turn your back on everything and start having fun somewhere else. So true I finally got the courage to get out of IT. Best move EVER! 14 years in IT is enough to drive anyone crazy ------------- Criags Dive Blog - Career Change EVE-Ink Tattoo Project
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.11 18:37:00 - [14] I aimed for any job in IT, and i do enjoy IT like work.. but not technical support.. no way!!! im at the point where i do NOT want to even speak with the general public anymore!!! EVER!! give me a pile of work to be done by the end of the week/month and bugger off. straight up desk job. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.11 19:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 11/02/2008 19:11:10 Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Jenny Spitfire So you earn liek 6 digits per yaer? Not hardly. I just got a job as admin, I pull down about 60k USD. You can earn 6 figures, but you have to be a really good programmer on a specialist type of project. I am sure many ccp guys earn 6 figures. For hardware, its less possible, unless you are a certified instructor...perhaps a router guy. Same. A bit more than that but not much. Also it depends on the industry you are in. I work for a publishing company. They have small profit margins. But it is a nice place to work. Can go in to work with a two week beard, trainers, t-shirt etc Personally it was cause it was what Dad did so ever since I was newly spawned their was a computer to play with. ZX81, BBC B, Amiga's etc And I failed chemistry.
Imree Ixni Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.02.11 20:20:00 - [16] I graduated from college with a BS in biology and no idea what I wanted to do with it. I got a job with a state agency as a Programmer trainee and bought myself a COBOL textbook and here I am 20 years later.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.12 02:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Aaron Ravenwood Edited by: Aaron Ravenwood on 11/02/2008 17:50:33 Yeah. Router Guys' are still something of an elite but ... it isn't your ordinary every day Router Guy pulling in 6 figures. It's the network trouble shooters and designers that get that kind of money. At one point in time tech people were rarer ... so they could demand more money ... but ... there wasn't as much money to be made. Now ... you've got all kinds of tech people ... but ... there's a lot more money to be made so there are jobs for them ... but it's become more of a trade than a profession - especially hardware. Early on, a very few people became phenomenally rich because they were in the right place, at the right time, with the right idea ... but ... that's hardly anyone. It's about the same thing as being a rock star. For everyone you see selling platinum CD's there's tens of thousands playing in garage bands or small clubs. But people think the same thing "Oh! You play rock and roll! You're going to be a star!" and "Oh! You're a tech guy! Are you rich yet?" Mostly the answer is "No." It was a great job. When I first started - I couldn't believe people were actually going to pay me money to work on computers when I would have gladly paid them for the privilege so ... I was lucky to get out of a field I wasn't really suited for (lack of people skills) and into one I was. Studying History was fun ... teaching ... wasn't. I still love reading history and watching the History Channel but it's like this Engineering Major said to me once about my Masters "You majored in your hobby" and he was right. I think the problem for a lot of people - is that they got into IT so they could make money ... but ... they were really "people" oriented and didn't actually like working with technology. But that happens all the time. People end up in jobs because they blundered into them and don't want to go through the very real risk involved in giving up something that does pay the rent to try and do something else. I've got a relative who had an established career as a therapist. He was tired of doing it and the state he moved to passed regulations that required him to go to school full time for two years to get a certification that was inferior to the degree he already had. So - he didn't do it but he took the retraining fund that came along with his unemployment and studied web design. He graduated right about the time of the dot com bust ... So ... now he's building boats. shrug Mostly ... we all just blunder through life doing what seems to be a good idea at the time ... Yeah, I worked on computers that shot bullets in the Navy and kinda fell into maintaining the shipboard lan which had a domain controller, email server and a couple of desktops for the different departments. In order to fix problems, I picked up some books at the book store and just kinda got interested. After that, I droped 12 grand and went to school to get my certs which to be honest, aside from network + are completely useless as far as actually learning anything. They are just there for the paper. It's wierd, this far in the game, I am still kind of a jack of all traits and havent specialized. I know a little bit of routers, windows, unix/linux, making cable novell as every place I have worked, I have worked on entirely different technology. I enjoy it though, even the support. I have seen many people get out of this industry with all kinds of stress problems and whatnot. I think its because first and foremost, IT is a service industry. You have to possess the ability to get along with and understand people so you know how to translate peoples thoughts in laymans terms to technospeak. The point is to make all of this expensive technology work for the end user. If you get into it thinking that its all about being a nerdy geek, your only about half right. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Sharupak I think its because first and foremost, IT is a service industry. You have to possess the ability to get along with and understand people so you know how to translate peoples thoughts in laymans terms to technospeak. The point is to make all of this expensive technology work for the end user. EXACTLY! Laughing at someone (behind their back on teh interweb) for not being up on all the IT jargon is like me laughing at someone because they don't know off the top of their head what a WC-PTAW deposit is and its advantages over a CrC weld-overlay for G.E.T applications. If they already knew that stuff, they wouldn't be paying me to be there. Back on topic, I aint in IT (obviously), but I got an uncle that fell into it and is now making half a mil (USD) per year. Could do worse for yourself.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:08:00 - [19] trying to aim away! explaining that that box thing is the computer and what you have is a monitor ..... NO! there was a great something awful comedy goldmine a while back.
Lal QelThyr Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:15:00 - [20] Am currently going to University studying Computing. If I was aiming for the big bucks I would be training in medicine and managment. The NHS pays strangly well for being in such a dismal state. (- Dev Protective Shield. My sig is invincible! -)
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:22:00 - [21] IT a service industry... well... I can only partially agree on that one. You do have a point though. But the whole purpose of the computer is to automate stuff. Some processes have not been completely automated yet and we need to put a human in the middle. To service that human, we have the PC tech, the help desk, the 2nd and 3rd tier support, etc etc etc. But some systems work flawlessly without human intervention of any kind. It pros lucky enough to work on those areas have no users. Their servers give very little trouble and they can sleep at night. An abundance of userless systems can be found in the communication industry (land lines and cellphones) in the billing area. It is also very good to be the admin of an IVR, unless you end up with that crapy one that runs on SCO V.
Mozqito	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Lal QelThyr Am currently going to University studying Computing. If I was aiming for the big bucks I would be training in medicine and managment. The NHS pays strangly well for being in such a dismal state. Out of topic, but the supply & demand philosophy kind of fails when the demand is made up of necessity.
Aaron Ravenwood	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:38:00 - [23] Edited by: Aaron Ravenwood on 12/02/2008 07:40:02 Yeah ... I'd say that much of IT is a service industry. People use computers to do their jobs and IT guys keep them running. Like I said, I always liked helping people ... I just didn't like working with them or being responsible for getting them to learn. Teachers have to put up with all kinds of crap from parents and their students whining and complaining about to much homework or that they deserved a better test score. A Teacher's job is to manipulate ... if in a good way ... their students into learning. I'm incapable of manipulating another person. I find it repulsive and won't do it. With computer's and other machinery ... there's none of the bull ****. The computer works ... or it doesn't. It can give you false readings because it's broken ... but it can't intentionally lie to you. It's a machine ... it doesn't have an intent. It just either works ... or it doesn't. If it doesn't work ... I'd fix it. Then I'd bring their fixed computer back to them ... and the people I was helping were happy. I did have problems with people whining about who got the new computers and who didn't ... but ... nothing is perfect ... and I could always just leave that up to their supervisor ... "Talk to Bill ..." Fixing computers was never a source of stress for me. There was a task to perform and I did it. All my stress came from my bosses ... but most of them were all right ... most of them ... What's that they say? "Stress rolls down hill ..." . . .
Darwinia Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:32:00 - [24] IT breed and raised since I was 12.. no escape for me anymore. But it worked ok for me.. got a job (I've been doing for about 10 years now) in development 2 weeks after I graduated. In my country some have to wait years to get a job in their proper field. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Victus Incendia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:32:00 - [25] I took up IT after my ancient PC ground to a halt and I decided I didn't want to pay a Techy ú200 to defrag it.
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:38:00 - [26] I'm the opposite. I trained for IT at school, college then University but ended up getting sucked into Accounting by my dad. The great irony is that I dropped accounting at school and University (it was part of my Computer Systems & Business degree). I hated it and I still do, but working with my dad has great perks (2 hour lunch breaks, surfing the net at work, etc). My only IT experiences these days are fixing office or family computers. If I think about it I'm glad though. Fixing computers makes me irate (imagine Basil Fawlty in IT; that's me). I just don't have the patience for it now.
Victus Incendia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Miss Anthropy If I think about it I'm glad though. Fixing computers makes me irate (imagine Basil Fawlty in IT; that's me).
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.12 15:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Sharupak on 12/02/2008 15:01:30 Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Sharupak I think its because first and foremost, IT is a service industry. You have to possess the ability to get along with and understand people so you know how to translate peoples thoughts in laymans terms to technospeak. The point is to make all of this expensive technology work for the end user. EXACTLY! Laughing at someone (behind their back on teh interweb) for not being up on all the IT jargon is like me laughing at someone because they don't know off the top of their head what a WC-PTAW deposit is and its advantages over a CrC weld-overlay for G.E.T applications. If they already knew that stuff, they wouldn't be paying me to be there. Back on topic, I aint in IT (obviously), but I got an uncle that fell into it and is now making half a mil (USD) per year. Could do worse for yourself. Yes. I have no idea what you are talking about, something to do with welding LOL! But for IT, it is an automatic reaction for the end user to apologize for their printer or computer being broken. This stems from previous IT people lecturing them about doing such and such the wrong way. When most software, especially operating systems have multiple ways to do the same thing for end users that think and do things in different ways. Much of my time initially on a new job is spent trying to reverse this type of thinking and retooling the network to oblige end users in providing what they need to get out of it. Obviously, security usually gets in the way of accommodation all of the time, but I can usually find a work around. Not to brag, but I usually at least double productivity with this method of running a network. That being said, I only get away with this kinda stuff on non Enterprise networks where I run my own shop.It is also difficult to get my technicians on board with this concept in the begining, but most of the time down the road, they end up liking my way better. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.12 15:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Shameless Avenger IT a service industry... well... I can only partially agree on that one. You do have a point though. But the whole purpose of the computer is to automate stuff. Some processes have not been completely automated yet and we need to put a human in the middle. To service that human, we have the PC tech, the help desk, the 2nd and 3rd tier support, etc etc etc. But some systems work flawlessly without human intervention of any kind. It pros lucky enough to work on those areas have no users. Their servers give very little trouble and they can sleep at night. An abundance of userless systems can be found in the communication industry (land lines and cellphones) in the billing area. It is also very good to be the admin of an IVR, unless you end up with that crapy one that runs on SCO V. True, they are buffered from direct interaction and also have other powers to answer to like security. For instance email admins when the automation of sending and recieving emails is working good, everyone is happy and all he has to do is check logs and research the newest spammers. But then again, when the servers are not automating correctly, email admin has to be one of the top 5 worst jobs to have because he has to answer to a whole host of irate people! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Wired An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:07:00 - [30] I've been playing with computers my whole life and it was the only natural thing for me to go to college and then university to pursue a career in the computer industry. My education was geared towards programming (but did cover the entire development life-cycle), but upon finishing uni i couldn't get a job as a programmer (probably because i just wasn't a natural developer, but i could develop software). Managed to land a temp job as an IT assistant where i migrated the company from windows based network and desktop systems to Linux based. That finished and i found myself back in the job hunt, i ignored the pleas of the parents to take any job that presented itself because i wanted to get into IT and knew that if i took something else it would affect my search. I got offered an interview for a position as a software tester, i went for it got it and it turns out that I'm actually pretty good at it, actually thats me being modest, I'm f****** awesome at it, probably because of my sadistic streak I love finding errors, the bigger the better. The developers i work with (we work in an agile environment), know what a pain in the arse i am when it comes to testing, so they are more careful with their code as they don't want me sending it right back their way, so i guess I've done something right. I have thought about applying for a job at CCP/White Wolf on the QA team (saying that has probably just ruined my chances), but i do enjoy where i am at the moment (the jobs fine, it's just that the country sucks), but if a CCP person does read this i am interested.... If you're still reading this far, well done and hope it wasn't too boring, but thats how i got into the IT industry (and they aint gonna be kicking me out for a while) ============================================= My sig got edited, and all i got was a lousy e-mail

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