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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:07:00 -
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Linkage
As if.
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squall321
Gallente
Unity Of Legends
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: squall321 on 12/02/2008 12:12:25
ino i woke up to this on the news this morning. i think its pretty stupid tbh, after music downloads where legalized in the US (atleast i think it was anyway not 100%), they think they can ban it here. maybe the films but defenitely not the music.
this was alarming:
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Sticking points are thought to include how disputed allegations would be arbitrated - for example, when customers claim other people have been "piggybacking" on their internet service.
I knew form the start that it was possible, but since alot of people do it these days, its going to be quite hard catching them also.
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Miss Anthropy
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Linkage
As if.
You misjudge the UK Parliament. This is the kind of crap they love to vote on. There's a good change this may become law.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 12/02/2008 12:15:11
Also, say hi to AES-256, random ports and VPN.
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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 12/02/2008 12:17:27
They all have shares in hmv and virgin, instead of american diplomats who have themin lockhead, and boeing.
Linkage with the prices today, no one will but the movies and tv series videos from stores anyways. they maybe loosing 1 to 2$ in revenue, What strikes me is that this people are making tonnes of many anyways. If anything digital downlaod saved the poor people money, and brough those who work in movies down from being 10 to 5million$ rich, why not introduce a law against missleading marketing, and other things that matter to the majority?
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:34:00 -
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ISPs are demanding the record industry promise to pay up if disconnected users sue them.
It won't happen and will be a sticking point forever.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:26:00 -
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"If the law were enacted it would turn ISPs, like BT, Tiscali and Virgin, into a pro-active net police force "
Go go corporate police, WOO!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 12/02/2008 13:42:51
It's funny really, since I never buy music unless I've already heard it and know i'm going to like it. I've bought about 15 albums based soely on downloaded tracks i've heard and liked. Also a good number of paid digital downloads from listening to Internet Radio (which funnily enough, they're trying to kill too)
So, with no 'sample' downloads and no internet radio, I won't have anything to listen to but my local mainstream radio stations. Perhaps they think if I listen to the same **** all the time I'll end up buying it? 
Plus I don't see how ISPs are going to track what's legal and what isn't. If they start cutting people off who are perfectly innocent, they're going to be owing a LOT of money.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:23:00 -
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Dutch policy is so much easier in that respect 
Downloading is legal, uploading however is illegal, and while hard to monitor is certainly more doable. So in a sense our government made those hosting illegal content criminals. (which technically they are) The consumers however are not affected. Unless you exceed the Fair Use Policy of your ISP, which is fairly liberal in most cases.
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 12/02/2008 13:43:11
They all have shares in hmv and virgin, instead of american diplomats who have themin lockhead, and boeing.
Linkage with the prices today, no one will buy the movies and tv series videos from stores anyways. they maybe loosing 1 to 2$ in revenue, What strikes me is that this people are making tonnes of $$ anyways. If anything; digital downlaod saved the poor people money, and brough those who work in movies down from being 10 to 5million$ rich, why not introduce a law against missleading marketing, and other things that matter to the majority?
This is so true. I think that Parliament should outlaw lieing about WMD's for the purposes of stimulating the arms industry.
Despite this will be impossible to enforce. All you have to do is use a HTTP tunnel and if you're really advanced then click the encrypt button on your torrent software.
These people have absolutely no idea of the challenge ahead of them.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:47:00 -
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LOL, when was the last time a music publisher or movie studio folded due to internet piracy? Damn, it must be really hard for them!
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
LOL, when was the last time a music publisher or movie studio folded due to internet piracy? Damn, it must be really hard for them!
Poor MPA - they wanted their new superyaught, but had to wait another week because they did't have the money in their pocket at the time.
And the Record company boss just wanted a new pool.....
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benzss
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
LOL, when was the last time a music publisher or movie studio folded due to internet piracy? Damn, it must be really hard for them!
Well EMI are about to cut half their jobs.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.02.12 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 12/02/2008 17:56:10
Originally by: benzss
Originally by: Xen Gin
LOL, when was the last time a music publisher or movie studio folded due to internet piracy? Damn, it must be really hard for them!
Well EMI are about to cut half their jobs.
Yes, well maybe they shouldn't have lost ú38million on Mariah Carey's contract.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.02.12 18:40:00 -
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Government should not interfere in a market.
This is a free market telling media companies their distribution model sucks.
They can adapt in response, or die.
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.12 18:44:00 -
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Oh god, I can already see the crappy propoganda posters they would make to support this law.
>_<
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.12 18:53:00 -
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it's a toilet paper law
it's completely un-enforce-able because requireing an isp to even inspect every packet across a their network would be pointless given the ridicoulus amounts of FREE encryption software and even the built in encryption in most pc's all they would see is source and destination no content
this is mostly a law meant to make it look like your govt's doing something but in the end it's just a waste of taxes .
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.02.12 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Weebear on 12/02/2008 19:04:53
Originally by: Andrest Disch
Oh god, I can already see the crappy propoganda posters they would make to support this law.
>_<
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.02.12 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear
Edited by: Weebear on 12/02/2008 19:04:53
Originally by: Andrest Disch
Oh god, I can already see the crappy propoganda posters they would make to support this law.
>_<
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2219282175_83aa0cddec_b.jpg
Man, thats Classic.
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mama guru
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.12 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Weebear
Edited by: Weebear on 12/02/2008 19:04:53
Originally by: Andrest Disch
Oh god, I can already see the crappy propoganda posters they would make to support this law.
>_<
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2219282175_83aa0cddec_b.jpg
Man, thats Classic.
Proud to be swedish
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.02.12 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Weebear
Edited by: Weebear on 12/02/2008 19:04:53
Originally by: Andrest Disch
Oh god, I can already see the crappy propoganda posters they would make to support this law.
>_<
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2219282175_83aa0cddec_b.jpg
Man, thats Classic.
Proud to be swedish
Proud to be able to download from Sweden!
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.13 07:47:00 -
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A Recent Canadian Gov't Funded Study. Nothing's come from it yet, but it looks promising for Canadian policy and music downloaders.
We'll see 
Originally by: Mangala Solaris
EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
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Faekurias
Federation Fleet
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 09:08:00 -
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Messing up so that Downloading will be hard(Impossible to do without getting caught will kill all/almost all small/upcomming bands.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:46:00 -
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Yeah and if I use a torrent and encrypt my traffic I don't have to hand over the key for that data to anyone apart from the police or its an invasion of privicy. So the ISP's can't see what i'm downloading, so I can't be banned and they cannot be blamed.
Problem solved, easy to do and makes the proposed law nothing but a bunch of hot air.
My god legislation is so far behind technology its unbelivable.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
My god legislation is so far behind technology its unbelievable.
It's not surprising, considering the kind of people we have at power. Most if not all of them are ex-PHBs.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 14:17:00 -
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You realize that it says 'Illegal music downloaders'.
Well, as far as I know, in the UK it's not illegal to download music at all, only host it.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:39:00 -
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Sadly, this is currently being put in case in France, and UK is copying us. :(
Basically, if you get caught, you get warnings the first two times, then a 30-day ban, then a year ban, and you're blacklisted to prevent you to switch to another isp.
It may look sort of good in a way (certainly better than up to 300.000 euros and 2 years jail sentence for counterfeiting), but this privatisation of justice is really sick.
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Amina kara
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Posted - 2008.02.13 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Amina kara on 13/02/2008 20:56:01
Originally by: Shadowsword
Basically, if you get caught, you get warnings the first two times, then a 30-day ban, then a year ban, and you're blacklisted to prevent you to switch to another isp.
doesnt that collide with the EU court ruling of, hmm what's it called, personal data protection? that ruling of recently where (spanish?) ISP didnt have to hand over their customers data to some record company.
let me try and find linky :)
edit: talking about this
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Dirtee Girl
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.13 21:30:00 -
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guys take it easy the whole thing requires isp's to check all data comming thru their network . data you get from the internet is easy to encrypt .
and honestly even with the most rudimentary encryption think about would you as an isp or a police agency spend thousands of dollars an hour to try and decrypt user packets in the hopes of finding a song being downloaded illegally .
think about it this way when was the last time you saw a movie advertised where the Mi-6 and scottland yard are hot on the trail of some guy with an ipod . the recording industry is looking for anyway to stop the mp3 phenom . it cant be done . it's just desperate grasping at straws , remember mp3 players: make them illegal ? shutting down any of the myriad of peer to peer file sharing software ? how much success have they had . thats the nature of our society once you make something or produce something that can be reduced to data and transmitted across the internet , it just became public domain , you may disagree you may disaprove but in the end every movie every song every book is now public domain against the creators wishes obviously but the fact remains once it goes on the network it stays there .
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annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 13/02/2008 22:54:13
*the rest I removed cos I couldnt be @rsed*
I keep the p0rn though 
Dwi Cymraig
According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are "absolute divine beings" and the original Pastafarians. Their image as "thieves and outcasts" is misinformation. |
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