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Handsome Joe Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:21:00 - [1] Yeah I'm sure someone will say this belongs in Ships and Mods but they'd be wrong as pirates do a good deal of PVPing of the Non-Blob variety. Now that we've established that I am in fact asking in the correct place, which ships are best for PVP? I know that Caldari are generally bad for PVP of the solo or small gang variety due to reliance on a shield tank, the exception being perhaps the T2 Frigates. Also in another thread people mention that a Drake has pathetic DPS, what exactly is considered good or "acceptable" DPS for a PVP/Pirate ship? So again which ships are best for PVP and why?
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:23:00 - [2] What kind of piracy, and what kind of PVP? I mean, you could can-flip in a battle Badger... ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Handsome Joe Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:27:00 - [3] The hunt people down and blow their ship up or ransom it for space duckets kind of piracy, and small gang PVP say anywhere from 2-10 ships with 3-5 being the most common numbers for each side.
Andrest Disch Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:39:00 - [4] Which type of ship you looking for? Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships? Or t2? Atm, i'm liking my Punisher, and i'm kinda new to pirating.. but I think it's safe to say that there isn't one ship that is the best at pirating in Eve. Just hop into a Rifter and go pewpew, learn as you go. =p
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Handsome Joe The hunt people down and blow their ship up or ransom it for space duckets kind of piracy, and small gang PVP say anywhere from 2-10 ships with 3-5 being the most common numbers for each side. High sec, low sec, or 0.0? Lofty trick? Low sec gate camp? Scanning down mission runners? ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Handsome Joe Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:48:00 - [6] Edited by: Handsome Joe on 12/02/2008 18:50:19 Scanning down mission runners, ratters, and the like with the occasional gate camping. As for ships class, any really. Frigate, Cruiser, and Battleship. Though BS is a bit out of my reach ATM since I'm working on my support skills first, I can fly a BC decently well. I'm also willing to train for races I don't have (I have all racial frigates at L2). And low sec. 0.0 has only gotten me a trip home in my pod so far or via vat if I'm unlucky. High sec suiciding seems lame to me.
Dosgar Caldari Fujifield Corp SYBERIS	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:03:00 - [7] Stick with frigates for a while, and work on getting T2 mods for them if you can't use them already (you need to be able to use T2 small mods before you can get T2 mediums and so on). Personally I fly Rifters and Punishers for solo pvp/pirating and tackling in a group. If you fancy something a little bigger (and you've got the skills to fly it effectively) take a look at maybe getting a cruiser (Thorax is a favourite). As for scanning mission runners, you can do it in a cheap exploration frig then switch to a pvp ship and warp in. You need pretty decent skills to effectively probe people out though. --------- *This space reserved for a mod sig burn*
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:21:00 - [8] Don't use a frigate to gatecamp in lowsec. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Handsome Joe Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.12 19:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Agent Li Don't use a frigate to gatecamp in lowsec. Obviously, they don't have the tank for the sentry guns. Although I could swear I saw someone using an Amarr Destroyer to gate camp and surviving doing it.
T'rall Mer	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:17:00 - [10] I'm new to piracy, although I have been mission running with my main for a while. Could any kind Yarr advise on which race's ships are best for piracy? My gut feeling would be Minmatar, as their don't use Cap, but I could see the advantages of both Gallente drone orientated combat and the Caldari missiles in PvP.

ProjectSeven Minmatar Rulers Of Mankind Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Agent Li Don't use a frigate to gatecamp in lowsec. haha yeah, you get the hang of that trick after one attempt -sig- RoM recruiting
ProjectSeven Minmatar Rulers Of Mankind Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:27:00 - [12] Handsome Joe what race are you planning to fly? that might help give you some answers. -sig- RoM recruiting
Dosgar Caldari Fujifield Corp SYBERIS	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:29:00 - [13] Edited by: Dosgar on 12/02/2008 20:54:06 Edited by: Dosgar on 12/02/2008 20:53:08 Originally by: T'rall Mer I'm new to piracy, although I have been mission running with my main for a while. Could any kind Yarr advise on which race's ships are best for piracy? My gut feeling would be Minmatar, as their don't use Cap, but I could see the advantages of both Gallente drone orientated combat and the Caldari missiles in PvP. Check out this guide if you haven't already. Scroll down until you find the bit about ship set ups and their pros/cons. Don't be afraid to experiment with ships and set ups though. If you fly custom set up that people aren't used to, you can have a huge advantage over opponents who aren't sure how to counter you. --------- *This space reserved for a mod sig burn*
Handsome Joe Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.12 20:58:00 - [14] Originally by: ProjectSeven Handsome Joe what race are you planning to fly? that might help give you some answers. I was thinking Minmatar or Gallente perhaps.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Handsome Joe Originally by: ProjectSeven Handsome Joe what race are you planning to fly? that might help give you some answers. I was thinking Minmatar or Gallente perhaps. Reaper > All If you're minmatar. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
ProjectSeven Minmatar Rulers Of Mankind Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:08:00 - [16] well the way I learned, and the way alot of others will agree is to do a lot of playing around. Start small, get killed, get better, go bigger. hehe Start with the Rifter. Nobody will argue it's the best starting frigate to get the ropes with. Try to get a feel for your fighting style before you make that jump to cruisers. At cruiser level go Stabber for more of speed and Rupture for more tank/damage. At that point and many ships later you will figure out what you want to do and will be able to make a decision on what is next (and an idea of what skills to train up for) -sig- RoM recruiting
ProjectSeven Minmatar Rulers Of Mankind Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:11:00 - [17] Originally by: techzer0 Reaper > All get drunk and faction fit one of those bad baby's -sig- RoM recruiting
Camar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:14:00 - [18] I'm not really sure how to put this - SLEIPNIR! MINMATART STRIPS! VIKING LOST...
Meihdron Lyonesse. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.13 03:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Meihdron on 13/02/2008 04:00:51 for having fun in belts, i say vexor, hands down vexor ;) i took down several wannabe badass idiots that thought they whipe the floor with a mere t1 cruiser (dual rep, cap injector ftw) i kinda miss those days :/
WhiteSavage Dark Force Recon Blood and Steel	Posted - 2008.02.13 05:08:00 - [20] For fleet warfare teh mega does more pewpew damage per sec then I've evr seen if u use it correctly. Drones ftw :) ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes

techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.13 05:57:00 - [21] Edited by: techzer0 on 13/02/2008 06:00:47 Edited by: techzer0 on 13/02/2008 06:00:05 Originally by: ProjectSeven Originally by: techzer0 Reaper > All get drunk and faction fit one of those bad baby's I'm down... but you have to do it first My current favorite ship is my Heavy Dictor... It's fun. But as far as "Best" PvP ship... I'd say every ship has it's good things and bad things. I like the Mega when in a slow moving gang, Hurricane, Stabber, Brutix are all fun ships if you ask me. Thorax is a fun ship to fly around with, and of course... the rifter ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2008.02.13 17:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Handsome Joe space duckets fyi that would be ducats
Handsome Joe Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.14 21:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: Handsome Joe space duckets fyi that would be ducats My utmost thanks to you oh Grammar & Spelling ****.
Yo Mommy Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:37:00 - [24] Arazu! Nothing like decloaking and almost feel the panic at the belt/plex/mission/bla bla...
Crowdad	Posted - 2008.02.15 05:02:00 - [25] Edited by: Crowdad on 15/02/2008 05:03:31 This here's a tricky ship to fly... It works really well with some friends. Its fast and has good dps, it can speed tank battlecruisers and battleships. Takes down drones fast enough, vulnerable to missiles. But a pretty solid ship. [Cyclone, PVP] 2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1x Overdrive Injector System II 1x Damage Control II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1x Large Shield Booster II 5x Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 3x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Hellfire Rage Assault Missile 4x Vespa II 28062 effective HP 5494 shield, 201/s, E/T/K/Ex=38/50/63/75 1887 cap, -59/s, +45/s, lasts 1m51s 1560 m/s 347 DPS, with decent skills. edit: missing a launcher from fit.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:59:00 - [26] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 15/02/2008 08:02:19 Originally by: Handsome Joe Now that we've established that I am in fact asking in the correct place, which ships are best for PVP? Nano Vagabond/Sleipnir/Ishtar/Cerberus/etc, non-Pilgrim force recons, pure-gank blaster Deimos/Astarte/etc, any random ship with a cyno + carriers. Your goal is to hit the target, gank it in under 30 seconds, grab the loot, and be gone before backup arrives. Force recons are excellent support, and a good backup plan, bring a Falcon along and the hunter very quickly becomes the hunted. Battleships are usually poor choices, as they're too slow, both in movement and in locking. HACs and command ships give you almost as much firepower, but are much more suited to the gank and get out role. Quote: I know that Caldari are generally bad for PVP of the solo or small gang variety due to reliance on a shield tank, the exception being perhaps the T2 Frigates. Whoever said Caldari are bad for small-gang PvP is insane. See the other thread on this page for a complete list, I'm not going to type it out again. But let's just say the Falcon is awesome in small gangs, and plenty of the other ships aren't far behind. Quote: Also in another thread people mention that a Drake has pathetic DPS, what exactly is considered good or "acceptable" DPS for a PVP/Pirate ship? Ideally, over 1000 dps as a decent minimum (from your entire gang). For solo, I wouldn't bother flying anything with less than 500 dps unless it has some really compelling advantages to make up for it. Your target's lifespan should be measured in seconds once you jump in, because that's all you have. The moment you show up, he's screaming for backup, even if he isn't bait in a trap. And if you find a target, every other pirate in the system is right behind you with the same plan of ganking it... and they won't have any regrets about ganking you as well. By the way, you aren't looking for fair fights as a pirate. Damage output is your primary concern, with speed and ewar second. Tank should be almost irrelevant, you should be ganking the target before they even have a chance to shoot back. And don't feel bad about dropping a 5v1 on someone, that's how you should be operating.
Firkragg PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:51:00 - [27] frigs: rifter, punisher cruisers:thorax, vexor, stabber, rupture-ish, arbitrator BC: myrmidon, hurricane, maybe harbinger since its kinda cool in terms of OMGWTF dps BS: mega, domi, geddon, abaddon, tempest T2 wise im currently in love with the sacrilege and ive heard good things about low sec stuff in an ishtar.


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