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deathatlaby
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:10:00 -
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Can someone give a scoop on whats going on here? For ex. syl fibres have gone from 210 isk 15 days back to 150 isk now - and this is a hotly traded item.
and here I was thinking that the JF / T2 BS introduction will increase the usage of the "Crummy" moon materials and hence their prices...
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:24:00 -
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The buy orders look healthy the sell orders are about where I expect them to be. Sure there's some movement, Sylarimic Fibers are 6% below average, Phenolic Composites are 6% above average, Titanium Carbide is up 3%, Tungsten Carbide is 5% above. Sylarimic Fibers have been steadily decreasing in price since they shot up 2 months ago in what I can only describe as a speculative boom.
Put simply, there is no "market crash" nor anything of the sort, just normal movement. Some stuff is even up....
The only "crummy" moon mineral that has increased in price is Platinum.
By the way, post with your main.
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deathatlaby
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:30:00 -
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How did you get this "average"? is this the previous day average?
And does it matter whether I post in market discussions with my main or not?
FWIW, this is my marketing main. i do all of it via this char - and she is in npc for the war decs.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: deathatlaby How did you get this "average"? is this the previous day average?
And does it matter whether I post in market discussions with my main or not?
FWIW, this is my marketing main. i do all of it via this char - and she is in npc for the war decs.
It matters to the members of MD, we have an alt trolling problem and reputation matters a lot to us so basically we see an exclamation mark and brace ourselves, or at least I do.
The average I'm using is simply the 5-day trading average (including all regional filled orders, buy and sell). A couple of things may have lost a point or two at the same time but other things are up and overall I would argue that we're extremely far from anything even resembling a market crash.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: deathatlaby And does it matter whether I post in market discussions with my main or not?
Because we don't trust alt postings. I had to point this out earlier today... we don't know if you are lying or attempting some kind of market manipulation trying to urge people to sell/buy whatever it is you are focusing on. Thus, you could be full of crap or you could be telling us the truth. Mostly there are only three kinds of people who makes this kind of post. The first is the newb, second is the fool, and finally the third... the market manipulator. Smart market traders don't post this kind of info. The look at it, check it out, and then use it to their advantage. The newb doesn't know this. The fool can't learn this. The market manipulator thinks the rest of us are newbs or fools and thus we come back to: Post with your main or stfu. Originally by: deathatlaby FWIW, this is my marketing main. i do all of it via this char - and she is in npc for the war decs.
Irrelevant avoidance of the real issue.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.02.13 10:58:00 -
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As was mentioned above this post was made by his main. His trading main the charactor he PvP's with is what your classing as his main then surely by Podding the wrong person he could also spoil his reputation or atleast be outcast from you MD regulars especially if it was one of your convo's he attacked and robbed of billions.
This is also my Main Trading Character so for all Market related discussion/posting I feel this is by far the best character to use. If i posted an IPO with what you class as my main many of you MD regulars would jump down my throat because the IPO plan i posted was posted by a character with NO Trade/Manufacturing or other related skills and no way to prove he has been a sucessful Trader/Manufacturer because he doesn't get involved with it.
1 last thing search the forum for the ammount of post regarding ! faces im sure you'll find out how bad the problem is so ! doesn't necessarily mean Newb or Post Alt A fool and his money are soon parted Better to die with honor than live with shame Diligence is the mother of good fortune Fools rush in where angels fear to tread Trust is the mother of deceit |
facepalm johnson
a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral Post with your main or stfu.
Er, if he was poasting an IPO then you'd probably have a point.
Making an off-hand comment about advanced materials, however.... well, you're just spouting faeces, lovelychops.
This isn't CAOD, so, um, stfu.
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deathatlaby
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: deathatlaby on 13/02/2008 11:18:50 wow - somebody learnt stfu can fly either way:)
anyway - I don't know what you mean by irrelavant avoidance of the real issue - but this is the char am training trade skills on, and am gonna trade with and am nowhere asking for your money, so wtf is your problem?
what I wanted from this thread is to learn the "market prediction" so many people talking about - nothing more. And T2 materials are something I have been tracking recently and this kind of showed up as a discrepancy.
Trinity ==> New t2 ships using a lot of syl fib/carbonides ==> price drop in them
wtf. was my reaction. And this material is sold in millions in jita <around 25-50 mill volume>, so I was just wondering is there so much isk for someone to manipulate such a huge market.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:10:00 -
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They went up quite abit pre-post trinity, now they're down to pre-trinity levels again, supply has picked up to compensate and demand has dropped again, now most people have their fill of the new T2 ships.
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Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:36:00 -
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Actually no on most Advanced Materials:
Price (Trinity pre-patch price) Material.
127 (74) Crystalline Carbonite 40000 (25460) Fermionic Condensates 93 (90.25) Fernite Carbide 24000 (11700) Ferrogel 500 (290) Fullerides 6130 (4900) Hypersynaptic Fibers 990 (1295) Nanotransistors 615 (687) Phenolic Composites 145 (159.35) Sylramic Fibers 135 (78) Titanium Carbide 74 (98) Tungsten Carbide
As you can see, Jita prices from today.
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Trading Bunnz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Trading Bunnz on 13/02/2008 13:41:17 Death, you are only looking at part of the market which is probably why you are confused. There is a noticeable delay between moon mineral price changes and advanced reaction price changes, which flows further into T2 components. Dig deeper, you'll find the reasons and if you are really clever, find a way to make truckloads of money. ;)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Midas Man This is also my Main Trading Character so for all Market related discussion/posting I feel this is by far the best character to use.
And so the history and or background on your main main is irrelevant. We should just go ahead and trust your word for it because this is your trading main. Wow, you do realize that you could actually be Riethe, or Wylker, or any number of untrustworthy people. And, yes, you are not asking for money... ... now. However, the bottom line is this: You admit you are a specific purpose alt. Ergo you will not be trusted. Doesn't make a difference if you are pointing out something in passing or trying to start an ipo. The difference between here and COAD is all about credibility. In COAD it is common enough to have everything as a matter of selective awareness. Here we don't care about what perspective you might be trying to spin. We just care about what angle you are trying to play. When you avoid answering the question, "Who is your main?", you are simply saying "I won't tell the truth". Originally by: facepalm johnson Making an off-hand comment about advanced materials, however.... well, you're just spouting faeces, lovelychops. This isn't CAOD, so, um, stfu.
You may feel free to have your main contact me if you feel some need for satisfaction. I await your dropping of a can, until then... sticks and stones may break my bones but alts never scare me.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:50:00 -
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I would like to point out that CCP owns these forums.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral [justify] Originally by: Midas Man This is also my Main Trading Character so for all Market related discussion/posting I feel this is by far the best character to use.
And so the history and or background on your main main is irrelevant. We should just go ahead and trust your word for it because this is your trading main. Wow, you do realize that you could actually be Riethe, or Wylker, or any number of untrustworthy people. And, yes, you are not asking for money... ... now.
However, the bottom line is this: You admit you are a specific purpose alt. Ergo you will not be trusted. Doesn't make a difference if you are pointing out something in passing or trying to start an ipo.
The difference between here and COAD is all about credibility. In COAD it is common enough to have everything as a matter of selective awareness. Here we don't care about what perspective you might be trying to spin. We just care about what angle you are trying to play. When you avoid answering the question, "Who is your main?", you are simply saying "I won't tell the truth".
Which is a fair point, but 1) How do we know that your alt isn't Reith etc the same arguement revearsed these forums are for all users regardless of which account someone chooses to post on. If I was offering an IPO your points maybe valid for "Market Discussion" your flames arn't warrented you are free to post counter aguement if you feel manipulation is the reason for the post or to warn other user it maybe manipulation but simply flaming someone because "you" think there an alt is a bit short sighted.
I have no problem revealing my main (Bob Killan) or my Haulage/Manufacturing character (Dzark Biznatch) and if i need (to raise money through an IPO which I don't) I would divulge this information there to. Maybe try asking the question before flaming for not getting an answer.
I feel people should be judged on there merits, your free to have your opinion but Shooting down every ! you see, is causing problem in the market that you, by your own conviction, claim to want to keep healthy
I understand that the market is a competative place and that this is just your PVP to ruin the reputation of anyone who wants to become a market regular. You want to cut off all competition before it start yet your unwilling to admit to it so I ask you who is the real Fraud? A fool and his money are soon parted Better to die with honor than live with shame Diligence is the mother of good fortune Fools rush in where angels fear to tread Trust is the mother of deceit |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Midas Man I have no problem revealing my main (Bob Killan) or my Haulage/Manufacturing character (Dzark Biznatch) and if i need (to raise money through an IPO which I don't) I would divulge this information there to. Maybe try asking the question before flaming for not getting an answer.
My point was not directed at you so perhaps you might want to read things. Secondly there was no flame, if you think so please press the report link without hesitation. Originally by: Midas Man I feel people should be judged on there merits, your free to have your opinion but Shooting down every ! you see, is causing problem in the market that you, by your own conviction, claim to want to keep healthy
I am not the person who shoots down every ! that I see. I challenge faced or unfaced people with equal vigor. However you can not be based on merits that have not been presented. I give people the benefit of the doubt based on what they type. This guide might be for you if you are having difficulties understanding the dynamics of the Eve public forums. Originally by: Midas Man I understand that the market is a competitive place and that this is just your PVP to ruin the reputation of anyone who wants to become a market regular. You want to cut off all competition before it start yet your unwilling to admit to it so I ask you who is the real Fraud?
This paragraph is the real fraud. You will find that I stifle no honest person trying to make their mark or edge into this segment. But you've got the rebel yell thing down well. You just need to work on that targeting glitch. In closing, the points I stated had nothing to do with anti-competition nor flaming. I am, historically, blunt and honest. I'm not going to sugar coat the realities of how things work for you. That you don't like them is apparent but that you somehow blame me for them is ... a mistake of your own making, not mine. Take the advice for what it is... ignore it and be the next loud whiner at the close of the latest scam/theft/manipulation.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
However, the bottom line is this: You admit you are a specific purpose alt. Ergo you will not be trusted. Doesn't make a difference if you are pointing out something in passing or trying to start an ipo.
Jeez go easy on the alt paranoia. Get this - Leo is an alt. My main is 6 months older, but I have chosen to make this my trading/industrial/commercial face because it's convenient for me to do so.
The alt discrimination on here is getting a bit ridiculous, let's keep it sensible.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:09:00 -
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No one cares if you post on an alt, as long as the reason you are doing so isn't to hide your main. If people know who your main is and you make no efforts to hide that information then who you post as makes no difference. Ricdic posting on E-Bank Ricdic is not a problem, obviously.
If you are using an alt to obscure your true identity then you have something to hide. That is seen as a bad thing around here because we have no clue what it is you're hiding. You could try to tell us... but we have no reason to believe you.
The main problem with this thread is that it is yet another post about market speculation that fits into one of the three categories Shar already pointed out.
1. Too new to know better 2. Not smart enough to know better 3. Knows better and thus has ulterior motives.
Why would I actually tell the OP the answer to his question? Knowledge is power. I'd be giving away valuable information if I told him what he wanted to know. I'd help myself much more to tell him a fabricated story in order to manipulate him to my own advantage. He should realize this, if he doesn't he fits #1 or #2. Otherwise he fits #3.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:16:00 -
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Wow the kill the ALT party is gaining momentum!
Cosmoray is a kind of ALT. Does that mean I'm evil? Does that mean I have nothing valuable to say? No
I have 3 characters of which I play. 1 pirate, 1 corp character (jack of trades), and a trader.
I choose to use this character for MD talking as it was the first character I posted with. That is the only character I have ever posted with on the MD channel, so if I change now I will have even less MD history.
I do admit though if I was to release an IPO or bond, I would declare ALL my characters and history.
If all the people who say "an ALT has nothing of value to say", then why do you respond to their threads or comments?
Market PVP can be played lots of ways.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.13 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 13/02/2008 19:45:04 deathatlaby post with whatever account you want to and forget the losers attepting to bait you into a flame fest.
Your topic was quite clear and deserved to be addressed without you being attacked for off-topic reasons. It seems it is an ongoing trend for certain people in these forums. It wont take you long to figure out who they are.
As for your topic at hand. If you notice that the amount of Shadow Serpentis towers on the market are worth a mint as everyone and their dog is throwing up towers in <0.3 systems. It seems everyone and their dog is getting into this game (if they wern't already) I envision that the advanced minerals market is going to bounce around somewhat as the market settles into a comfortable routine. It is a little wonky at the moment especially as people are still speculating about the upcoming changes to the JF BPC.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Shadarles
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Posted - 2008.02.13 19:45:00 -
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It seems dogs truly are man's best friend.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 13/02/2008 19:45:04 deathatlaby post with whatever account you want to and forget the losers attepting to bait you into a flame fest.
I can't say I agree with the man but if anyone knows how to start a flame fest it's Taikun.
Originally by: Taikun If you notice that the amount of Shadow Serpentis towers on the market are worth a mint as everyone and their dog is throwing up towers in <0.3 systems. It seems everyone and their dog is getting into this game (if they wern't already) I envision that the advanced minerals market is going to bounce around somewhat as the market settles into a comfortable routine. It is a little wonky at the moment especially as people are still speculating about the upcoming changes to the JF BPC.
Running reactors isn't easy, it's a ton of logistics and unless you do it on a grand scale with sovereignty or vertically integrate it usually isn't worth all of the risk and frustration. I personally don't see the big influx of reactor operators you're talking about. If they're there then they're being negated by rising demand because I'm certainly not seeing overproduction. I have yet to see a mod say anything other than the max number of runs on a JF BPC will be increased beyond 1. That doesn't make for a decrease in the components, in fact it makes for quite the opposite as higher run decryptors hurt the ME and even if they're cheaper to invent more will be made thus requiring more moon mins and so raising the price.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Midas Man As was mentioned above this post was made by his main. His trading main the charactor he PvP's with is what your classing as his main then surely by Podding the wrong person he could also spoil his reputation or atleast be outcast from you MD regulars especially if it was one of your convo's he attacked and robbed of billions.
I've podded, or at the very least engaged a fleet containing, half of the people I regularly converse with here in MD. Business is business, war is war. I've conducted billion-isk blind-trust operations with people set to -10 and people set to +10, and the result is the same; standings come and go (ask DS1, MC, Ev0ke, AXE, IAC, or half a dozen others who've set reds to blues and v.v. in the last 12 months), but your MD reputation is forever.
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Taikun If you notice that the amount of Shadow Serpentis towers on the market are worth a mint as everyone and their dog is throwing up towers in <0.3 systems. It seems everyone and their dog is getting into this game (if they wern't already) I envision that the advanced minerals market is going to bounce around somewhat as the market settles into a comfortable routine. It is a little wonky at the moment especially as people are still speculating about the upcoming changes to the JF BPC.
Running reactors isn't easy, it's a ton of logistics and unless you do it on a grand scale with sovereignty or vertically integrate it usually isn't worth all of the risk and frustration. I personally don't see the big influx of reactor operators you're talking about. If they're there then they're being negated by rising demand because I'm certainly not seeing overproduction. I have yet to see a mod say anything other than the max number of runs on a JF BPC will be increased beyond 1. That doesn't make for a decrease in the components, in fact it makes for quite the opposite as higher run decryptors hurt the ME and even if they're cheaper to invent more will be made thus requiring more moon mins and so raising the price.
Indeed, and as if that deduction weren't easily-enough made, the fact that JF's will now be easier to invent (that is, cost of invention per run of BPC produced will be going down) means that more JF's will be produced and will have negative price pressure, which means more people will be able to get into one, which means that the only thing that realistically can go up--the cost of the materials, since JF's are hardly the leading user of decryptors--will.
Q.E.D., materials involved in the production of JF's should go up in price in the short-term, potentially balanced by increased supply in the mid- to longer-term.
MP --
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Ghreymar LaNayeur
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:14:00 -
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All this will lead to a huge increase in the price of ferrogel
...so seriously people we all need to be buying ferrogel
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur All this will lead to a huge increase in the price of ferrogel
...so seriously people we all need to be buying ferrogel
QFT, anyone that knows anything will buy up Ferrogel.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.14 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 14/02/2008 00:09:31 Wakarimasen, ni poosto ga arimasu. Hen yo.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.14 00:09:00 -
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I'm just waiting for more T2 capitals besides JF's. My Adv. Capship bpo's are idling :(
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Deez Onit
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.14 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Deez Onit on 14/02/2008 00:27:02 I'm an alt, my main PvP identity is entirely different then my Trading MD identity and has always been that way. Does that make me any less trust worthy? Very Very few people know my PvP char... Hexxx is one of them and probably the only one that I dont have direct ties with from my Main to my trading Char. Your theory is flawed. P.S. Monoxon wasn't my main either =/
Doesn't mean that investors didn't get their isk back when the operation went belly up due to RL issues.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.14 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Deez Onit Edited by: Deez Onit on 14/02/2008 00:27:02 I'm an alt, my main PvP identity is entirely different then my Trading MD identity and has always been that way. Does that make me any less trust worthy? Very Very few people know my PvP char... Hexxx is one of them and probably the only one that I dont have direct ties with from my Main to my trading Char. Your theory is flawed. P.S. Monoxon wasn't my main either =/
Doesn't mean that investors didn't get their isk back when the operation went belly up due to RL issues.
Your locked thread and failed IPO are a real testament to just how wrong I was to judge posters because they're an alt.
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deathatlaby
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Posted - 2008.02.14 05:07:00 -
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Wow - major alt bashing:)
FWIW, All I wanted was a validation of my theory and any angles I was missing in this discrepancy. If the fact that I post with my trade alt here is going to stop you from posting, feel free to not to do so.
And this is my first post here in MD, and in future also I am going to continue posting with this alt only. I will reveal my main if I feel it is necessary - and not anytime before that.
To Shadarle: Reason to hide my main: I trade with a lot of people including war-targets as well - and I don't want the knowledge of my main to affect this - Simple. Regarding your categories, yes - I probably fall into the noob category because I have never before concentrated on the market. My post history will tell you this.
Thanks for responding till now and thanks for understanding.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.02.14 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Deez Onit Edited by: Deez Onit on 14/02/2008 00:27:02 I'm an alt, my main PvP identity is entirely different then my Trading MD identity and has always been that way. Does that make me any less trust worthy? Very Very few people know my PvP char... Hexxx is one of them and probably the only one that I dont have direct ties with from my Main to my trading Char. Your theory is flawed. P.S. Monoxon wasn't my main either =/
Doesn't mean that investors didn't get their isk back when the operation went belly up due to RL issues.
Your locked thread and failed IPO are a real testament to just how wrong I was to judge posters because they're an alt.
Lay it off Kwint. Your pointlessly trolling with no obvious reason.
I have talked to Deez ingame a few times before. He's an alt just as much as i am.
So if you wanna argue anything about alt's, then your kinda talking about me too.
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