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Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:47:00 -
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I'm new(ish) to Eve. Before that I took a long break from MMOs. I had originally played Ultima Online before it got completely gutted. As far as I know, Eve offers the closest experience to UO. In UO most of the player items were created by crafters just as the industraliasts create all the normal items in Eve. So, you'd fit yourself out with said collection of items and have at it in PvP. However, unlike Eve, there was really no record of your win/losses such as killmails.
Which brings me to my next point, it seems people put a lot of weight/care/thought into killmails. I would even go so far as to say some people obsess over them. And I think this is ultimately bad for the game. It adds a hindrance for people's willingness to engage in PvP. So why not remove killmails, because they really don't make that much sense given that CCP says they want more ships to get blown up.
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Sarmatiko
532
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:57:00 -
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So devs should remove killmails only because you think that EVE is UO?
The reason behind killmail existence - we can point and laugh at your Rifter losses  |
Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:57:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:So devs should remove killmails only because you think that EVE is UO?
No, they should remove them to encourage more pew pew. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
852
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:58:00 -
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Azriel Geist wrote:I'm new(ish) to Eve. Before that I took a long break from MMOs. I had originally played Ultima Online before it got completely gutted. As far as I know, Eve offers the closest experience to UO. In UO most of the player items were created by crafters just as the industraliasts create all the normal items in Eve. So, you'd fit yourself out with said collection of items and have at it in PvP. However, unlike Eve, there was really no record of your win/losses such as killmails.
Which brings me to my next point, it seems people put a lot of weight/care/thought into killmails. I would even go so far as to say some people obsess over them. And I think this is ultimately bad for the game. It adds a hindrance for people's willingness to engage in PvP. So why not remove killmails, because they really don't make that much sense given that CCP says they want more ships to get blown up.
Killmails mean as much as you are willing to let them.
They're there so people can prove to others what they killed. Otherwise EVE would be full of bullshit claims and braggarts. You don't have to post your kills, you know. 
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
157
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:59:00 -
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But we need them to measure our epeens.
Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á
Senior Recruiter |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
573
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:00:00 -
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I have no care of killmails. To prove it, I only post losses. |
Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:00:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:I'm new(ish) to Eve. Before that I took a long break from MMOs. I had originally played Ultima Online before it got completely gutted. As far as I know, Eve offers the closest experience to UO. In UO most of the player items were created by crafters just as the industraliasts create all the normal items in Eve. So, you'd fit yourself out with said collection of items and have at it in PvP. However, unlike Eve, there was really no record of your win/losses such as killmails.
Which brings me to my next point, it seems people put a lot of weight/care/thought into killmails. I would even go so far as to say some people obsess over them. And I think this is ultimately bad for the game. It adds a hindrance for people's willingness to engage in PvP. So why not remove killmails, because they really don't make that much sense given that CCP says they want more ships to get blown up.
Killmails mean as much as you are willing to let them. They're there so people can prove to others what they killed. Otherwise EVE would be full of bullshit claims and braggarts. You don't have to post your kills, you know.
But others will. I have no problem, I just thought killmails were at odds with the idea of generating more PvP. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
852
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:09:00 -
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Azriel Geist wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:I'm new(ish) to Eve. Before that I took a long break from MMOs. I had originally played Ultima Online before it got completely gutted. As far as I know, Eve offers the closest experience to UO. In UO most of the player items were created by crafters just as the industraliasts create all the normal items in Eve. So, you'd fit yourself out with said collection of items and have at it in PvP. However, unlike Eve, there was really no record of your win/losses such as killmails.
Which brings me to my next point, it seems people put a lot of weight/care/thought into killmails. I would even go so far as to say some people obsess over them. And I think this is ultimately bad for the game. It adds a hindrance for people's willingness to engage in PvP. So why not remove killmails, because they really don't make that much sense given that CCP says they want more ships to get blown up.
Killmails mean as much as you are willing to let them. They're there so people can prove to others what they killed. Otherwise EVE would be full of bullshit claims and braggarts. You don't have to post your kills, you know. But others will. I have no problem, I just thought killmails were at odds with the idea of generating more PvP.
sure, people will post your losses.
if you generally win fights, this is a very good thing. it leads to people looking up your killboard, laughing, assuming you are incompetent, attacking you overconfidently, dying horribly, and not posting their lossmail.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
452
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:31:00 -
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If Eve had no killmails: Players would generate third party tools for trying to generate something like killmails, or some sort of record of combat. It would of course be full of errors and fraud. Annoyed by the errors and fraud, players would ask CCP for something authoritative to replace these third party tools, and we would get killmails.
I am running for the CSM
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=779668#post779668 |
Aggressive Nutmeg
113
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:37:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Otherwise EVE would be full of bullshit claims and braggarts.
HOLY ******* LOL!!! 
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
853
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:45:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Otherwise EVE would be full of bullshit claims and braggarts. HOLY ******* LOL!!!
You must live in highsec.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Alara IonStorm
1589
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:46:00 -
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I like having a reference of every Battle I have ever fought. Sometimes I go through them to remember.
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
121
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:47:00 -
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Carebear detected.
You lose something expensive lately that youre butthurt over?
seriously, get over it.
eve doesnt work like other MMOs. at all.
there are no ladders, no rankings, no 'elite' servers.
think of KMs as a way of keeping score. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
853
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:50:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Carebear detected.
You lose something expensive lately that youre butthurt over?
seriously, get over it.
eve doesnt work like other MMOs. at all.
there are no ladders, no rankings, no 'elite' servers.
think of KMs as a way of keeping score.
He's reminiscing over oldschool UO.
You ever play UO?
I can pretty much guarantee he isn't a carebear if he enjoyed that game before the shard changes. It was essentially the inspiration for EVE's PvP system. It was quite a bit harsher, in fact. If you wanted to do anything, you had to leave "highsec", and "highsec" was packed to the brim with pickpockets who wouldn't hesitate to rob you blind.
Corp Por, bitches.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Thomas Abernathy
Phantom Squad
Nulli Secunda
56
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:59:00 -
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Why do people collect corpses and do unspeakable things to them?
Because they can.....
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Selinate
653
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:16:00 -
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don't care about killmails?
Stop posting them on killboards.
There are a lot of killmails that I never posted and was never included on any killboard just because it's really not important to me, though I do do it for corporations if it's important to them. |
Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:22:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Carebear detected.
You lose something expensive lately that youre butthurt over?
seriously, get over it.
eve doesnt work like other MMOs. at all.
there are no ladders, no rankings, no 'elite' servers.
think of KMs as a way of keeping score. He's reminiscing over oldschool UO. You ever play UO? I can pretty much guarantee he isn't a carebear if he enjoyed that game before the shard changes. It was essentially the inspiration for EVE's PvP system. It was quite a bit harsher, in fact. If you wanted to do anything, you had to leave "highsec", and "highsec" was packed to the brim with pickpockets who wouldn't hesitate to rob you blind. Corp Por, bitches.
Yeah, I loved how reds (I guess pirates in Eve speak) would just camp dungeon entrances and we had to go around town rallying up random blues and then go out there and have huge Anti-PK vs PK brawls. So epic.
Vas Ort Flam Corp Por.. combo! :D
Edit: By the way, after thinking more on it, not having killmails would make PvP less enjoyable. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
856
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:31:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:The reason behind killmail existence - we can point and laugh at your Rifter losses
The dude is two months old, nearly has a 1:1 ratio, is already venturing into lowsec, and is experimenting with nonstandard fits. Sure, they aren't optimal, but there is a difference between a bad fit and a fit with a clear goal in mind, which just happens to be a suboptimal goal.
If anything, I see a budding PvPer. One with balls. A UO player.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Azriel Geist
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:51:00 -
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I guess I'm starting to see the value of killmails in Eve.
How else can I claim I helped Garmon take down a Machariel: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12151569.
Or my first solo kill on my first day venturing out into scary low sec: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11838658.
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Jita Alt666
898
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:02:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:The reason behind killmail existence - we can point and laugh at your Rifter losses The dude is two months old, nearly has a 1:1 ratio, is already venturing into lowsec, and is experimenting with nonstandard fits. Sure, they aren't optimal, but there is a difference between a bad fit and a fit with a clear goal in mind, which just happens to be a suboptimal goal. If anything, I see a budding PvPer. One with balls. A UO player.
This is how test recruit more spies
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
861
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:39:00 -
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Pretty goddamn impressive, especially considering the comments, your age, and your ship.
You ever want to pewpew, hit me up.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
596
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:40:00 -
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Remove killmail.... u mad bro |
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