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KIAEnIgMa
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Posted - 2004.03.31 23:55:00 -
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can you plz find a way to stop ppl putting idshonest items into escrow's?
ive just looked through the escrow list and there are so many shuttles and civilian gattling guns described as battleships and being sold for 80+ million its beyound a joke....
i havnt fell into the trap of buying one but for those new comers its just not fair.... 
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:00:00 -
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I think GMs should take 5 minutes of their time, a day, to look thru escrow and delete the trash.
It's not that hard
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:03:00 -
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If people can't click the "Inspect Merchandise" button, then their loss imo. Caveat Emptor and all that.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:06:00 -
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If some people actually took the time to hassle the scammers and not the ones just not pricing real actual items within their range I'm sure some of those would go away.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:19:00 -
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If people can't click the "Inspect Merchandise" button, then their loss imo. Caveat Emptor and all that.
Well said... If you are too lazy to inspect the merchandise, you shouldn't buy it. People dumb enough to buy BM's for 100 mil that say they are for a Jove stargate deserve to lose their isk.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:31:00 -
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it's not about people accidently buying that crap. It's about cluttering the database and GUI with junk. Did you know that escrow that's show all possible deals? it seems to select just certain ones at random, so the more trash there is, the less likely a good deal will be displayed, it takes more time to load, and just a waste of server resources
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:36:00 -
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It's starting to get to SPAM like proportions. Maybe put in a reporting mechanism that confirms spurious nature and fines 10percent.
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Tribunal
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:58:00 -
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I made a thread on this very subject a while back. Escrow needs to be cleaned up!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:17:00 -
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Actually its not really anything to do with whether people learn to click "Inspect Merchandise" or not.
Its about rendering the entire Escrow service as being "useless" due to being swamped in crappy scams.
People are tired of trawling through dozens and dozens of scams to get to find the legitimate stuff... and that makes the Escrow service worth less and less.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:21:00 -
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Now don't say that, just sold 40M worth of merchandise on there.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:23:00 -
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Actually its not really anything to do with whether people learn to click "Inspect Merchandise" or not.
Its about rendering the entire Escrow service as being "useless" due to being swamped in crappy scams.
People are tired of trawling through dozens and dozens of scams to get to find the legitimate stuff... and that makes the Escrow service worth less and less.
agreed...its just really annoying, do the scams ever work?
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:33:00 -
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*Bright Idea* (or maybe not so bright but see what you think)
Perhaps Escrow should have a Service Fee structure. Basically a way to charge people putting items in there along the following lines.
- First three days item is on the market it is free to the seller
- After three days a 1% charge based on the sell price is imposed on the seller.
- Escrow items have a minimum 7 day run. After that they can be cancelled by the seller.
This would encourage "fair" pricing to some extent and not overly burden honest traders. Certainly the overall prices would rise some for traders to account for income lost in this manner but I doubt it'd be much overall to the EVE community. The guy who wants to scam by putting a 100 mil Bookmark to EVE Gate had best hope it sells or he may face a minimum 4 mil charge for his efforts. Further, this makes them 'reset' the scam every 7 days unless they are willing to suck up charges over a longer term. Committed scammers will still probably do their thing but hopefully this would wash out the Sunday Drive-by scammers.
Just a thought...
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:56:00 -
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Its REALLY annoying though. 2/3 of the top stuff is pure scam 
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Lothi Yarr
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Posted - 2004.04.01 02:09:00 -
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Its REALLY annoying though. 2/3 of the top stuff is pure scam
Couldn't agree more--makes looking through escrow time-consuming and frustrating, because the sheer volume of scam items effectively masks "legitimate" gear.
I understand the "caveat" folks, but in a real world, repeat scammers would be prohibited from entering more merchandise (think of eBay, for instance).
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.04.01 02:31:00 -
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On the other hand repeat scammers, think businessmen and brokers don't get punished much for their crimes that affect the lives of millions so as for it mirroring reality, toss that coin...
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Cuisinart
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Posted - 2004.04.01 02:51:00 -
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Actually its not really anything to do with whether people learn to click "Inspect Merchandise" or not.
Its about rendering the entire Escrow service as being "useless" due to being swamped in crappy scams.
People are tired of trawling through dozens and dozens of scams to get to find the legitimate stuff... and that makes the Escrow service worth less and less.
Agreed.
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Heff
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Posted - 2004.04.01 03:19:00 -
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Why even allow an explanation at all? The item description should be what is contained within the package.
This then brings up the issue about what to do if you have multiple items in a single package, but hell... the system is WAY borked right now.
1) People grief the system
2) You can't see all escrow items when you look.
3) People use the escrow system to post messages with no intention to sell merchandise.
I don't even bother with it anymore.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:11:00 -
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agreed...its just really annoying, do the scams ever work?
They apparently do work judging by the occasional post on the boards. Personally, I haven't been scammed... but I did goof up a couple days ago. I wanted some 125mm 'scout' autocannons and bought three... only to find out I'd purchased scout RAILS instead!  (the heading just said "125mm scout" and I didn't read close enough when I inspected because I forgot there WERE another type of 125mm scout. Ah well, the price wasn't out of line for scout rails so I can always resell them...
What they really need is a "filter by type" setup for escrow like the market has.
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Entroph
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:23:00 -
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I use the escrow service, as I'm sure many others do, as a means of trading items to corpmates over long distances. This is hampered greatly by the amount of useless escrows placed on the market, trying to exploit the gullible nature of some players.
I couldn't agree more that some form of policing would be a great convenience in the escrow system.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:26:00 -
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Can we please make it so that we can ignore all the "1 trit for 100mill" deals in market too? 
I agree with the thoughts above. Its not the scamming that annoys me. Its all the trash I have to filter that is annoying.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.04.01 06:41:00 -
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Maybe a 1 or 2% listing fee based on the sell price. that shouldn't really hurt people selling a real Battleship for 100M, but it'll put off all the scammers trying to get 80M for a shuttle.
Also, the UI could be better. if you click to buy, it should bring up the inspect window first and put a confirm dialog below it.
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Lynn de'Marco
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Posted - 2004.04.01 07:03:00 -
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How about you pay Collateral for X% of the items value? If you get your item deleted by the GM then you lose the ISK you paid.
It would close down the scaming bussiness
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.04.01 07:05:00 -
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The easyest way to stop this is to consider that an exploit, and for everyone doing that a little ban should be in order.
This will clean up the escrow for "real" players.
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Strikeman
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Posted - 2004.04.01 07:49:00 -
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Also, the UI could be better. if you click to buy, it should bring up the inspect window first and put a confirm dialog below it.
Am I stupid or does the system already do this in a way ?
OK, without the icons and stuff, but the escrow system already says something like "are you sure you want to buy [itemlist] for [isk] from [person]" ... how clearer can it get for you ?
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Jec Polux
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Posted - 2004.04.01 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jec Polux on 01/04/2004 08:09:39
Edited by: Jec Polux on 01/04/2004 08:09:11
I'm all for a 'revamp' of escrow...if only to stop newb's hitting caps lock and spamming the trade channel with warnings about 'such and such is a scammer'...blocking is such an easy answer, but it doesn't rid me of this insane anger that the person spamming needs to be told WHY people are getting annoyed with them. Last night I convo'd a newb of some two months, who was posting every few seconds about a scam she'd seen. I tried to advise her in as courteous a manner as possible, that she was spamming, that 98% of people in trade are more than aware of the possible scams on escrow, and that if everyone blocks her one day she'll wonder why nobody is replying to her wts/wtb's. She left the conversation as soon as I'd explained I had some advice for her and continued spamming...she was the first person in nearly a year of playing to hit my block list.
But I'm getting a long way off topic here...yes, it needs cleaning up...personnally I 'almost' agree that if people are stupid enough not to check the description then sympathy for them shouldn't be to forthcoming. But I think a fix is long overdue, just to stop newb's hitting my block list!
P.S. Having now read Stikeman's post just above this one, he's absolutely right, and I meant to mention that point myself...when you click 'buy', a box appears saying 'Are you sure blah blah blah this item of escrow which contains xxxxxx'. Forgive me for stating the blindingly obvious, but if the xxxxxx says something differing the escrow title, then don't FLIPPIN' buy it!
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.04.01 08:19:00 -
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Scamming is a part of the game.
Anyone who describes scamming as griefing lacks any sense of intellect.
Scamming is just a quick and easy way to make cash.
The only problem which is made clear through scamming is that there is no accountability. There is no accountability because alts can come and go as easy right-clicking on a portrait.
Scamming is not a problem though. Buyer lazyness is.
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FZappa
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Posted - 2004.04.01 08:24:00 -
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im more annoyed by the bzillion++ "basic mining drone bpc"
or "widowmaker missile bpc CHEAP!!" escrows from people
cluttering the escrows . i really REALLY would LOVE to
be able to filter out certain people off my escrow list.
kinda like a blocked list for escrow would be awesome
this ofc , will help you screen out scammers too .
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.01 08:31:00 -
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I don't care about the Escrow scams because they are easy to avoid.
What I do care about is the time wasted filtering the scams from the real deals.
Please allow us to operate some form of "block" feature so that we can avoid the common scammers.
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Naru Kraurr
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Posted - 2004.04.01 08:59:00 -
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You'd have thought we would have refined any trading standard issues this far into the future wouldn't you?
There needs to be some way of making people accountable for this kind of behaviour.
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GenocidalSpliff
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Posted - 2004.04.01 09:17:00 -
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They should add a search feature which searches by the actual items the escrow contain as aposed to the description.
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