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Jack Oconner	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:03:00 - [1] I recently started to play EVE, and was mildly speaking , astonished by the grapich, the scenery and the Vast number of oppertunitys , but then i got to the gameplay itself, the stearing of the ship is nothing like what i expected, i was expecting something like Freespace etc, not like "click ship turns wierdly and flyes to cursor " i was really like ... "Awwwwww"
Platinum Dragon	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:14:00 - [2] its not jumpgate, its not freespace, its eve, manual steering is really only even barely noticable with serious nano pwnage hint use the overview to drive also at one point eve ship descriptions contained crew count. some in the thousands movement in eve is something you really only get the hang of after a while dont give up yet
Jack Oconner	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:16:00 - [3] hmm okay ill give it another shot, but mostly cause the mere look of the game really impresses me ^^
NightF0x Gallente Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Jack Oconner I recently started to play EVE, and was mildly speaking , astonished by the grapich, the scenery and the Vast number of oppertunitys , but then i got to the gameplay itself, the stearing of the ship is nothing like what i expected, i was expecting something like Freespace etc, not like "click ship turns wierdly and flyes to cursor " i was really like ... "Awwwwww" sorry but no need to let us know that you didn't like it. Uninstall and walk away... ------------------------------------
Sythyss	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Sythyss on 15/02/2008 03:23:40 Jack...the automatic controls in eve atm are absolutely essential for how PvP in this game is setup. If it were full manual control...PvP would basically be impossible. The combat in this game is much more tactical than anything else. It's not trigger-happy like WoW or other similar twitch-style gameplay.
DroneBay Diva Hogosha Ronin	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:33:00 - [6] I was disappointed in the lack of manual flying in Eve when I started playing. I've been playing for a year and a half now. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nanofag
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:39:00 - [7] I agree manual flying(ie joystick) would be awesome. That said get in a good ceptor fight in a belt or even a frig and you'll start to understand it not all point a click. If you want to try manual fly go minny and try speed tanking. Getting in even a beginner Stabber is completely different from close and kill EvE.
Mskpath3	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:44:00 - [8] Freespace 2 is the greatest game evar. Discuss.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Corstaad I agree manual flying(ie joystick) would be awesome. That said get in a good ceptor fight in a belt or even a frig and you'll start to understand it not all point a click. If you want to try manual fly go minny and try speed tanking. Getting in even a beginner Stabber is completely different from close and kill EvE. Everyone always mentions the Stabber...I flew a Stabber, big whoop. Any frig makes it look like it is stitting still if they are fit for speed. Why the Stabber and not, for instance, the Slasher. Now THAT is FAST. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time... Keep your UGLY Typhoon off my SEXY Hurricane!
Julius Romanus Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Mskpath3 Freespace 2 is the greatest game evar. Discuss. It's pretty close thats for sure. Was 2 the one that's opening movie was a pilot in a shot up fighter desperately trying to get a radio msg off? Either way, the freespace games were like wingcommander 3 with an extra helping of awesome added just to prove a point.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:43:00 - [11] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/02/2008 06:44:38 Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/02/2008 06:43:18 Originally by: Mskpath3 Freespace 2 is the greatest game evar. Discuss. People that put the "Discuss." at the end of their forum post deserve to be shot. It's like seeing a sign on a restaurant that says "You can eat food here". _________________ Burn. Devs, ISD and GMs mod my sig for cake! \o/ CCP Navigator was here and left some green text and bars _____________ _____________
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:43:00 - [12] Originally by: ZerKar Originally by: Corstaad I agree manual flying(ie joystick) would be awesome. That said get in a good ceptor fight in a belt or even a frig and you'll start to understand it not all point a click. If you want to try manual fly go minny and try speed tanking. Getting in even a beginner Stabber is completely different from close and kill EvE. Everyone always mentions the Stabber...I flew a Stabber, big whoop. Any frig makes it look like it is stitting still if they are fit for speed. Why the Stabber and not, for instance, the Slasher. Now THAT is FAST. Yes, and it's also a frigate. It's kind of like comparing a stabber to a (current) nano-phoon. You're silly. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ... General Aesthetics Changes Thread
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Jack Oconner hmm okay ill give it another shot, but mostly cause the mere look of the game really impresses me ^^ Or you could just uninstall it and walk away. I'm also gonna go ahead and guess that you play solo and have no idea there are such things as corporations or 'group-events' out there. Mind blowing concepts - I know. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ... General Aesthetics Changes Thread
Ikasu Gallente Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Franga Originally by: Jack Oconner hmm okay ill give it another shot, but mostly cause the mere look of the game really impresses me ^^ Or you could just uninstall it and walk away. I'm also gonna go ahead and guess that you play solo and have no idea there are such things as corporations or 'group-events' out there. Mind blowing concepts - I know. You're a very negative person aren't you?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Franga Originally by: Jack Oconner hmm okay ill give it another shot, but mostly cause the mere look of the game really impresses me ^^ Or you could just uninstall it and walk away. I'm also gonna go ahead and guess that you play solo and have no idea there are such things as corporations or 'group-events' out there. Mind blowing concepts - I know. His first impressions are the lack of joystick control and it looks purty. He will give up in frustration soon enough so no need to prod him along. At least let the guy lose all his stuff in an untanked t1 indy to a suicide gank/gatecamp before we wave goodbye. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Ikasu You're a very negative person aren't you? He's probably still jealous that his mummy pays the baby brother more attention, and even resorts to soiling his pants so that mummy has to come and change his nappy too.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:54:00 - [17] The lack of manual flight bothered me for a few hours after I started playing. Then I realized how frustrating this game would be if you had to manually steer all the time.
Sushi Zen Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Sushi Zen on 15/02/2008 07:15:54 Originally by: Jack Oconner I recently started to play EVE, and was mildly speaking , astonished by the grapich, the scenery and the Vast number of oppertunitys , but then i got to the gameplay itself, the stearing of the ship is nothing like what i expected, i was expecting something like Freespace etc, not like "click ship turns wierdly and flyes to cursor " i was really like ... "Awwwwww" Translation: I recently started to play EVE. I was a bit astonished by the graphics, as it didn't live up to my WoW boob-enhanced NELF flipping type graphics, and cartoonish scenery. Then I got to the gameplay itself, and...well, BOOYAH....I can't -> <- up arrow down arrow. It was nothing like I expected (please insert a GEICO commercial soundcheck with the PIPs here: RENTAL SHIP SMELLS LIKE SUNSHINE). Take a train to happy town!
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:21:00 - [19] Whoo whoo! Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:32:00 - [20] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 15/02/2008 07:33:07 Originally by: Jack Oconner I recently started to play EVE, and was mildly speaking , astonished by the grapich, the scenery and the Vast number of oppertunitys , but then i got to the gameplay itself, the stearing of the ship is nothing like what i expected, i was expecting something like Freespace etc, not like "click ship turns wierdly and flyes to cursor " i was really like ... "Awwwwww" Im sorry, but this is partly whats keeping me in EVE, and me away from other games: The controls! I hate Joysticks! I hate WASD! I hate gamepads! I hate anything twitchy So please NO! Leave the gamecontrols as it is! It have worked for bloody 5 years now! And I dont see any reason whatsoever of changing it after all this time! CCP would if they did be a larger failure in my opinion the SOE and SWG if they did! A game I followed for 2.5 years, and then got wasted by SOE and their bloody NGE... If you dont like the controls there are (too) many games that offer such (crappy) controls! GAH! Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
HarderThisTime	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Jack Oconner I recently started to play EVE, and was mildly speaking , astonished by the grapich, the scenery and the Vast number of oppertunitys , but then i got to the gameplay itself, the stearing of the ship is nothing like what i expected, i was expecting something like Freespace etc, not like "click ship turns wierdly and flyes to cursor " i was really like ... "Awwwwww" Best advice is stay away from the forums and use the ingame help channel. And never ever criticize anything in eve on the forums you'll just get flamed. This is an MMOG and can't really play the way a real flight simulator, server is not responsive enough for that. If you get into eve, you'll be happy about the way you fly and shoot. If you want to use a joystick and feel like you're flying a tie-fighter, this is definitely not that game. EvE = passive skills progression (SLOOOOOOOOOOOW), perform your chosen profession for isk, spend isk on ships, fly ships and kill and be killed in pvp, get more isk, and so on.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:09:00 - [22] jack think of it this way, if this was awesome like freespace, no one would play freespace anymore. eve is t's own game, just remember your little frigate is the size of a huge jet airliner. However I too think a better manual control would be nice. also good nes for you they have already talked about putting in freespace controls for smaller ships liek fighters and tanks, jets and the like. If I have to I'll find the interview I really don't feel like it though :P but yeah your big ship shouldn't be going wosh becuase it's HUGE. and has crew even if only a few due to your pod being like 100 men.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:10:00 - [23] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 15/02/2008 08:12:00 I think one of the appealing things about eve is that to become proficient in "flying" against players you have to learn the skill/ins and outs from game experience. I havnt played a game where the skill can be transfered to eve from previous games ive played. Like the op I was a bit bummed by the flight controls to start with and like all of you I learnt that its much better this way :). Give the guy a break, im sure in 6 mths you will see posts by him flaming the next noob to unluckly stumble into the GD forum. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Voodoo Dog Gallente Pilots of the Apocolypse	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:16:00 - [24] Quote: I just wish it was actually DOUBLE-CLICKING and not "click until you start moving." I couldnt agree more, if you only double-click you can bend over and kiss your preverbial goodbyeclick until you move or your a corpse *I refuse to have a sig before I have a face*
Viliny principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:19:00 - [25] the game wouldn't be possible if the server had to keep track of everyones joysticks...
Memio Gallente Unknown-Heroes Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:24:00 - [26] So if you dont like the controls does that mean you're going to stop playing? If it does....... Can I have your stuff? Woop!! I said before anyone else, 1 less long term goal to go for. ____________________________________________________ Signatures made for isk, contact me ingame for details.
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Julius Romanus It's pretty close thats for sure. Was 2 the one that's opening movie was a pilot in a shot up fighter desperately trying to get a radio msg off? Either way, the freespace games were like wingcommander 3 with an extra helping of awesome added just to prove a point. That was Freespace 1. "OH GOD THEY'RE FOLLOWING ME! MAYDAY!"
Stryker Vanguard Nice Corp	Posted - 2008.02.15 11:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Jack Oconner hmm okay ill give it another shot, but mostly cause the mere look of the game really impresses me ^^ Don't bother, you'll only be disappointed more. :P Get out before you make any friends that will suck you in and the game will bleed your soul dry. ---SIG HERE--- Why am I still here? I'm an addict.
Lady Sinistral Minmatar Pilots of the Apocolypse	Posted - 2008.02.15 11:56:00 - [29] Having a hard time flying your ship? Tell me what system/station you call home and i will show you how...promise
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Ikasu You're a very negative person aren't you? He's probably still jealous that his mummy pays the baby brother more attention, and even resorts to soiling his pants so that mummy has to come and change his nappy too. You can't argue with what works. Also - I am negative and fairly dismissive of these types of posts (yes, I know, I shouldn't be replying to them) because they are so ill-informed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hardcore fan of EVE or CCP - but people who have been playing for one or two weeks and think they have a good idea of the game are silly and I find it hard to suffer them. Honestly, if it bothers you that much that you feel led to post about it's failures, you probably should have left already rather then attempt to grab some attention in the same way you mentioned in your post. Not you directly, of course. The OP. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ... General Aesthetics Changes Thread
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Jack Oconner I recently started to play EVE, and was mildly speaking , astonished by the grapich, the scenery and the Vast number of oppertunitys , but then i got to the gameplay itself, the stearing of the ship is nothing like what i expected, i was expecting something like Freespace etc, not like "click ship turns wierdly and flyes to cursor " i was really like ... "Awwwwww" Hehe - when I first found EvE in the games store years ago I thought "Wow! This looks like MMO ELITE!" so I bought a decent joystick with it and rushed home... only to find it didn't need a joystick Grown to love the game's control system since then though. Stick with it - it's fun.
Viryana Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:46:00 - [32] You don't need to actually steer your ship as 90% of all combat in EVE takes place at the fittings screen before you even undock.
Viryana Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi I thought "Wow! This looks like MMO ELITE!" so I bought a decent joystick Ummm Elite wasn't played using a joystick, at least I didn't. No way you could have been able to actually hit anything with a joystick tbh
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:54:00 - [34] Edited by: Kyoto Luyi on 15/02/2008 12:53:54 Originally by: Viryana Ummm Elite wasn't played using a joystick, at least I didn't. No way you could have been able to actually hit anything with a joystick tbh I played it on a spectrum 48K using the 'rubber' keyboard, but I figured that Eve looked so 'modern' that it would use a joystick - does that make more sense?
Cosmar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:14:00 - [35] It's just not feasable to have a MMO game with manual control and the number of players EvE has. The server lag problems would be 100 times worse if the game worked like that, you hardly notice a 1 second delay in response now, but imagine what it would be like if you had to dodge lasers around. It would be awesome if there was some hardcore Elite-like MMO game around, with a nice realistics physics engine for some tactical combat based on player skill, but i think it would need to have small servers to work for technical reasons, a couple of thousand players on one at the most.
Rogue Roy Minmatar Rogue Aces	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:39:00 - [36] Bah, Elite played just fine with a joystick (C-64 and Amiga) and hitting single-pixel enemies at extreme ranges was no problem (that's how I won most of my fights). Regarding EVE... I was also a little put-off by the control model of EVE when I started but it grew on me. And it fits the idea of you being in command rather well. You give the order and the crew/robots/ship AI/whatever carry it out.
Roy Gordon Caldari The Star Wolves Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:02:00 - [37] For those with a bent towards the style of play found in Wing Commander, FreeSpace, FreeLancer etc should wait for either of these two games to appear- X-Online and Elite-Online. X-Online is based on the highly successful 'X' series of games (which you can already play multi-player, go to the games website for details), whilst Elite-Online is of course based on Elite. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest!
zac2000 x13 Holding	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:04:00 - [38] hey... we fly spaceship using mouse in our time. wire's are so 1990
Jason 06092001	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:12:00 - [39] One thing to keep in mind, flying with a joystick really is for a game where you are flying a single seat craft, you are the pilot, gunner, everything. Eve is based on large ships that would be crewed by many people. Flying and shooting in a capitol ship really doesn't make sense with a joystick. Eve's model is more like you are the Capitan of the ship giving orders to your crew. That's the way I see it anyway.
Julius Romanus Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:18:00 - [40] Edited by: Julius Romanus on 15/02/2008 16:26:17 Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: Julius Romanus It's pretty close thats for sure. Was 2 the one that's opening movie was a pilot in a shot up fighter desperately trying to get a radio msg off? Either way, the freespace games were like wingcommander 3 with an extra helping of awesome added just to prove a point. That was Freespace 1. "OH GOD THEY'RE FOLLOWING ME! MAYDAY!" Ahhh yes. The intro to freespace2 wasnt nearly as "amp you up" as that one(thx youtube). Very few cinematics have been lol.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:37:00 - [41] I too was disappointed in the lack of proper controls. However I quickly got used to it and have been playing for over 2 years now. One thing to keep in mind, is that if we could steer the ships, the servers would be even more laggy than they already are since we'd have a ton more packets being sent back and forth. You get the hang of the double clicking. I often fly fast ships which means having to use manual controls, and I do just fine.
Diek Ran Amarr Autonums	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa In reference to the thread, yeah I too wanted joystick controls, but I've been here for years and it's still really cool :D I just wish it was actually DOUBLE-CLICKING and not "click until you start moving." /signed
Nyx Opet Caldari Top Secret Robot Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:22:00 - [43] if you want that sort of 'twitch' combat you should check out Infinity will beat the socks out of eve i think. btw there is a combat prototype. its very fun when there are a bunch of people on the server. --- What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.16 07:06:00 - [44] Edited by: Zeba on 16/02/2008 07:06:56 Originally by: Nyx Opet will beat the socks out of eve i think. Yeah. I hear there is this remote tribe out in amazonia that has the women chew up leftover meat and veggies and spit it into a gourd to ferment and make alchohol. They say it beats the socks off a fine single malt whiskey. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.

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