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Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2008.02.17 20:10:00 - [1] Hi all Now, I'm sure this has been covered in other posts, but as my search skills suck big time I was hoping some of you clever people out there would be able to help me out. I've recently upgraded to a dual monitor setup and I've been trying to run two instances of EVE on my PC, one on each screen. I came across the EVE launcher program and installed that, however I'm having a couple of problems. Firstly, my settings are not being saved for each installation. I'm sure there's a switch I'm supposed to put in to force settings to be saved to the game directory but I don't know what it is! Also, when I launch EVE with the program my mouse clicks and keyboard input isn't working as it should. Whether this is related to my settings problem, or if it's because the trinity upgrade isn't fully compatible with EVE launcher, I don't know. If anyone can shed some light I'd be really grateful, even if it's to point me towards a previous thread that deals with this. Thanks guys! My EVE Tattoo! Consider yourself done - Cortes
Oregon sinful The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.17 20:51:00 - [2] In my experience, you need to install eve into two different folders and run each client from it's own folder, second you'll have to run both clients in Windowed mode to keep them up at the same time. Splitting the client between screens (i.e. having one client on both screens) for me at least causes a good amount of lag. as long as you have the window you want to manipulate selected i can't see you having any problems with you keyboard/mouse imputs. One problem i run into a lot is typing on one client when I thought i was typing on the other ... Hope this helps at least a little POST WITH YOUR MAIN OR STFU
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Oregon sinful In my experience, you need to install eve into two different folders and run each client from it's own folder, second you'll have to run both clients in Windowed mode to keep them up at the same time. Splitting the client between screens (i.e. having one client on both screens) for me at least causes a good amount of lag. as long as you have the window you want to manipulate selected i can't see you having any problems with you keyboard/mouse imputs. One problem i run into a lot is typing on one client when I thought i was typing on the other ... Hope this helps at least a little Thanks for the input, I should have mentioned originally that I have two separate installations set up for this, only the settings for one seem to overwrite the other? Possibly this has to do with the switch I'm supposed to put in to counter the relocation of the cache and settings etc. My EVE Tattoo! Consider yourself done - Cortes
Orb Lati Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:20:00 - [4] You should create 2 eve client folders (just copying your primary into a new folder will work) then in the shortcut of the alt account put this: "c:\eve\eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF" This will prevent your preferences being generated in the shared folder in "my documents" keeping them separate. You need to run them both in windowed mode. finally search the forums for a program called "evemover" or similar. This basically move each window client so it covers the entire screen and you cannot see the window boarders or title. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Wild Rho on 17/02/2008 21:21:28 The first part is fairly easy. You should have two installations of Eve in separate folders (preferably on separate hard drives for slightly better performance). Create a short cut for each executable (you should probably give them different names to easily identify them as well such as Eve 1, Eve 2 etc). For each shortcut right click on it, go to properties and in the target text field add the following to the end of the path already there: /end /LUA:OFF Example: C:\games\eve /end /LUA:OFF If the path has a folder with a space in its name the path may be in quotes, just add the new text outside the quotes. Example: "C:\program files\eve" /end /LUA:OFF What this does is cause each installation to use settings from a local folder in that Eve directory so each client can have its won settings. For the second issue I can't help you with, sorry.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:21:00 - [6] Edited by: Kappas. on 17/02/2008 21:21:48 You need two shortcuts, which either 1 or both of (depends on what you prefer) has this: /END /LUA:OFF added at the end of the text of the "Target" line of the shortcut. This forces Eve to dump its settings into the Eve folder (in c:\program files or wherever you installed it) rather than using 1 location (for example, c:\documents and settings). Edit: Bugger, i got beaten __________________
Orb Lati Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Kappas. Bugger, i got beaten At least i got in before the goon. Bit of an accomplishment in itself these days on the forums. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:35:00 - [8] You can run 2 accounts at once using the same EVE installation, and I have done in the past. There's no problems with settings if you do that, but it's impossible for me to tell if the performance issues I get are caused by using the same EVE folder or just by having a slow PC. I hate signatures with no distinct break from the body of the post.
Darthirishguy Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.02.17 21:58:00 - [9] Changing the shortcut properties work a charm for me Slight problem though, It's saving overview setting and stuff, but not the channels I'm in... So with this setup will I have to manually join the channels every time?
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.18 00:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Kelron Queldine You can run 2 accounts at once using the same EVE installation, and I have done in the past. There's no problems with settings if you do that, but it's impossible for me to tell if the performance issues I get are caused by using the same EVE folder or just by having a slow PC. Do you have two monitors with an Eve account open in each? If you do and they are sharing settings one likely cause of performance issues is you need to change the Display Adapater option. Press Escape and in the options window select Display & Graphics. In the Display Adapater drop down you should see your graphics card listed twice with one of the options highlighted. The next part varies from machine to machine (depending on its setup) but you should select one of the options from this list for one monitor and the other option for the other monitor. After that drag one of the client windows across to the second screen and see if the performance improves. If it doesn't (or gets worse) swap the client windows around and see if that improves things. Other things that may help... Having two installations on separate hard drives because if both clients need access to the hard drive one will be forced to wait for the other to finish. Turn off "Sun is occluded by ship in the Display & Graphics window. I'm not if this has changed but it used to cause a number of issues with clients running two accounts if they both had this option selected.
Parhelion Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 03:23:00 - [11] It isn't necessary to create 2 client folders. I run two clients from the same client installation (standard). With LUA on as per default preferences for each client is stored separately in the EVE folder under 'Documents' (this is on Vista). There is no conflict between the two at all. If you look at the contents of the EVE folder you will see settings with a client ID as suffix indicating preferences are stored in separate files. The only issue I have an I believe this is bug in the client not related to dual clients is that chat windows dont' always remember positions. eg. I have the local chat moved out to a seapate area to easily monitor hostiles entering local. The one setting that is stored 'globally' is the EVE premium content flag, if it's enabled it will stay enabled the next time you launch eve (or launch eve for the 2nd client). I believe this is because the setting is independant of the login ID (the premium graphics setting is used before you log in). So, to summarise. * Only a single client installation is needed. * Use LUA to keep settings separate. (this means you don't have to run your clients as admin under Vista - UAC is there for a reason) * Run in windowed mode.
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.18 07:40:00 - [12] I run 2 clients with 1 install on an XP machine without any problems, I only run into issues if I shut down the wrong instance of eve first, you need to shut them down in the reverse order that you started them up then all settings will be saved correctly. ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Bodhisattvas Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 08:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 18/02/2008 08:26:44 Originally by: Lord Wamphyri Hi all Now, I'm sure this has been covered in other posts, but as my search skills suck big time I was hoping some of you clever people out there would be able to help me out. I've recently upgraded to a dual monitor setup and I've been trying to run two instances of EVE on my PC, one on each screen. I came across the EVE launcher program and installed that, however I'm having a couple of problems. Firstly, my settings are not being saved for each installation. I'm sure there's a switch I'm supposed to put in to force settings to be saved to the game directory but I don't know what it is! Also, when I launch EVE with the program my mouse clicks and keyboard input isn't working as it should. Whether this is related to my settings problem, or if it's because the trinity upgrade isn't fully compatible with EVE launcher, I don't know. If anyone can shed some light I'd be really grateful, even if it's to point me towards a previous thread that deals with this. Thanks guys! Damn you guys is all complicated. Seems a doddle in vista, using nvidia card with 2 dvi out onto 2 x 22 inch lcd. Using nvidia control panel span the 2 screens in settings, horiz or vert what ever floats ya boat. Start first client drag it into 2nd screen, start 2nd client and leave as is. Not bothered with full screen just using windowed. No slow down other than having 2 clients both sucking on the cpu/gpu's udders at same time. No problems with settings being lost or anything, didn't have to have 2 eve folders, tweak or anything.
Johnny Gurkha Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.02.18 09:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Oregon sinful One problem i run into a lot is typing on one client when I thought i was typing on the other ... Been there done that. Never try and social engineer when your drunk
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2008.02.18 20:13:00 - [15] Guys, thanks for all the input, much appreciated. I've made a bit of progress, as I now have the correct command switches in my shortcuts. However the problem still remains with my mouse/keyboard input. I've discovered that my mouse is actually out of alignment, I have to move the pointer about an inch and a half up and left to click on something! This doesn't happen on the primary display (22" widescreen) but only on my secondary (19" 4:3). I don't know if it's because they're running on different resolutions but I'm ready to give up and try one of the other programs mentioned. Thanks guys! My EVE Tattoo! Consider yourself done - Cortes
Henry Loenwind	Posted - 2008.02.18 22:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord Wamphyri I've discovered that my mouse is actually out of alignment, I have to move the pointer about an inch and a half up and left to click on something! Let me guess ... EVELauncher? use e.g. http://eve.j-e-b.net/evemover instead.
Orb Lati Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 23:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Johnny Gurkha Originally by: Oregon sinful One problem i run into a lot is typing on one client when I thought i was typing on the other ... Been there done that. Never try and social engineer when your drunk Whats worse is realizing that you've just typed the password for your second account into Local chat of the Primary account....in hostile space. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
BigBobbom	Posted - 2008.02.19 03:14:00 - [18] I run 2 clients on dual monitors, and I usually don't have problems, though occasionally the graphics fail to load in 1 of the clients while using the better graphics
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:52:00 - [19] Once again, thanks for the comments and help guys! I'm now using EVEmover which is running fine, my one last problem (i hope) is that for some reason running EVE in windowed mode on my 19" doesn't let me choose the resolution I want. Best I can get is 1024x768 when I actually want 1280x1024. I've updated my graphics drivers with no luck, and am now using the latest Omega drivers - still nothing! As far as I can see my options are limited to either changing the desktop resolution to 1024x768 (yuk) or editing a file and manually inputting the resolution I want. I seem to remember it's the prefs.ini file I need to change but I'm not sure - I can't find a reference to the display res in it, can someone point me in the right direction? My card is a Geforce 7900GT 256mb by the way, I will be adding a second one to it soon and running it in SLI mode. Thanks again! My EVE Tattoo! Consider yourself done - Cortes
Thuraya Salairs	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Thuraya Salairs on 19/02/2008 13:09:43 that one is simple check the box for window mode then go back and change the window size to 1280x1024 and your done :D this is what i do for my duel screen set up that i also run from the same directory running two accounts. its in the display & graphics tab when you hit esc.
Kaakao Caldari Insidious Existence	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Lord Wamphyri My card is a Geforce 7900GT 256mb by the way, I will be adding a second one to it soon and running it in SLI mode. Thanks again! Fairly sure you are better off buying a 8800GT/GTS (G92 core one) or some other new card than another 7900GT. ----
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Kaakao Fairly sure you are better off buying a 8800GT/GTS (G92 core one) or some other new card than another 7900GT. If you're not on Vista or don't want DX10, the 7900GT is as good as an 8800GT - I've seen benchmarks in DX9 supporting that.
Henry Loenwind	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Lord Wamphyri I'm now using EVEmover which is running fine, my one last problem (i hope) is that for some reason running EVE in windowed mode on my 19" doesn't let me choose the resolution I want. First check if you selected the correct (virtual) graphics adapter for the monitor you're on in EVE's grapics settings. I think one of the earlier posts said how. (Basically ESC->graphic settings, open ctrl-f FPS monitor to see if sou got the correct one). If EVE still doesn't show you the desktop resolution, first file a bug report. It is supposed to include that resolution always. You got 2 ways to change EVE's resolution. first is to change it in the prefs.ini. That is faily easy, just locate the file (should be in the cache folder of that EVE installtion if you're running it with those command line switches. If not, open a command line window (Start->run->"cmd"->OK) and type there "dir \prefs.ini /s/p" and hit return to list all files of that name on your PCs system drive. (slow!)) However that only works if you have never logged in with another account on that EVE installation. If you have, then EVE will store the resolution in one of the user_*.dat files. Editing those is not easy for 2 reasons: (1) it might be considered being against the EULA and (2) those files are binary. If you want/need to do it, I know there was a forum post explaining how to. Good luck finding it.
Procurator Ultio	Posted - 2008.02.19 21:09:00 - [24] I began using the LUA:OFF before Trinity, I believe, to keep as much crap off the C: drive as possible. That also saved me from the boot.ini fiasco. I run as many as eight Eve windows on two screens, with only one install folder. For performance, the graphic adapter has to be set on opening each Eve (Esc, graphics tab, adapter pull down). I do not use the Eve launcher thingie because it was limited to launching four Eves when I looked at it. I have no issues of having to close Eve windows in the order I open them, or anything else other than what I believe to be bugs in the Eve startup/login server functions and the buggy UI where windows seem to have too much free will and resize themselves when moved, or move on their own between dockings or when minimizing a neighboring window. I have two 20" LCD monitors set to 1600x1200 and my Eve windows are set to 1280x1024. I have a set pattern of placing Eve windows on monitor 1 or 2, cascaded, according to which Eve char the window holds. Since Trinity I have been unable to use Premium graphics for multiple windows due to its overhead and have had to reboot the PC before opening the multiple Classic Eve windows due to memory usage. Also, memory gets worse the longer the windows are open and after a few hours XP starts to give me serious paging lag.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.19 22:38:00 - [25] Iirc i read in some other forum, Dual moniters on Sli don't work? could someone please confirm/discard this so the guy doesn't end up wondering why it wont work. Welcome to EvE
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.02.19 23:48:00 - [26] Sorry to hijack but 9 accounts - why? what do you do with them all? MAFIA Website
Lord Wamphyri Amarr Starside Lost	Posted - 2008.02.20 15:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Thuraya Salairs Edited by: Thuraya Salairs on 19/02/2008 13:09:43 that one is simple check the box for window mode then go back and change the window size to 1280x1024 and your done :D this is what i do for my duel screen set up that i also run from the same directory running two accounts. its in the display & graphics tab when you hit esc. This did the trick! I'm now happily running two clients on their own screens, and no noticable drop in performance. Thanks so much for the tip, and to everyone else for their help. Just seen the bit about SLI may not work on dual monitors.. eep! Hope this isn't the case, but if it is I'll just buy a better card and run it instead. My EVE Tattoo! Consider yourself done - Cortes
Henry Loenwind	Posted - 2008.02.20 15:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Henry Loenwind on 20/02/2008 15:17:46 Originally by: Blane Xero Iirc i read in some other forum, Dual moniters on Sli don't work? could someone please confirm/discard this so the guy doesn't end up wondering why it wont work. Correct. The moment you activate SLI you have one monitor port only. (Instead of the 4 you have with SLI off) So: 1 graphics card: 2 monitors 2 cards, SLI off: 4 monitors 2 cards, SLI on: 1 monitor 3 cards, SLI off: 6 monitors (my setup) 3 cards, tri-SLI on: 1 monitor 3 cards, duo-SLI on: ? (1 or 3) monitors
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.02.20 16:20:00 - [29] Good Info here =] ------------------------------------------------ Movie + Trillion ISK In damage inflicted on the Care Bear community.

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