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STERILIZER	Posted - 2004.04.01 21:54:00 - [1] Hello Everyone . Dont post on these boards often ... do read them though. What am gonna say now is not to whine.. I didnt loose anything... Its only to shame some really pathetic cowards and allow their behaviour to be acknowledged by the community. Heres the story .. there this group of noobs known as Xetic alliance... nto noobs be reference to how long they have played but noobs by the nature of their acts in combat and such . So I have been hangin out in Omist carrying out guerrilla attacks on these mofos for the last 1 week ... So far I have claimed the ships of : Airric - Tempest Jakhar - Rupture Desmoquttros - Stabber Cha yulan - Raven Belisarius - Blackbird. Anyhow this Airric fellow comes to me asking for a 1 on 1. He practically begs me for 2-3 days ... So we fought last night and thts when i pwned his tempest .. Anyway he returns today and begs again ... So I say ok .. and we start fighting. I was on complete alert , was pretty sure a sore looser would try something and he does not dissapoint. As soon as into his armour and am almost lost all me shields . I see all his buddies log on in local and this 1 whom he said would sit in a shuttle (which i knew was a lie) also appears out of nowhere in a blackbird and tries to target jamm me.. proof : 2004.04.01 21:21:34notifyskulllord [CDSV] has started trying to target jam you. skulllord [CDSV] has started trying to target jam you. His other friends in BS who have just logged on also appear and try to shoot me up . I had anticipated some of this to an extent and get out of there without problems. I know EVE is a game in which this kind of ** happens. But I want u all to know that Airric is a person and CDSV is a corp who you most definitely cannot trust . The lamest bunch of cowards youll ever see. Sad loosers. After begging me for days for 1on1's this is what he does... moreover he cannot overcome a Scorpion in a tempest for a Second time. HAH. If hes like this in a game .. I wonder what these ppl are in RL .. bleep HEH Loosers... Airris this is just to let ya know man ... That you are 1 sad bleep Heres the chat log for all to see (You will notice tht am ed) ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Local Listener: Claveman Session started: 2004.04.01 20:57:34 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.04.01 21:02:33 ] Claveman > lol [ 2004.04.01 21:02:42 ] Maddog Olsen > hehe [ 2004.04.01 21:03:58 ] Claveman > still kids [ 2004.04.01 21:04:38 ] Maddog Olsen > sure in small ships hehe [ 2004.04.01 21:04:50 ] Claveman > go get ur big ships :) [ 2004.04.01 21:05:01 ] Airric > k [ 2004.04.01 21:05:06 ] Airric > meet me at station [ 2004.04.01 21:05:20 ] Claveman > lol airric wassup man [ 2004.04.01 21:05:38 ] Airric > just woundering if you want to fight again [ 2004.04.01 21:06:14 ] Claveman > yeah am down with tht ... but u got a couple blackbirds in system makin me nervous [ 2004.04.01 21:08:40 ] Airric > other is in a pod come on down [ 2004.04.01 21:08:52 ] Airric > you put him in it [ 2004.04.01 21:09:04 ] Claveman > rgr gimme a sec [ 2004.04.01 21:09:41 ] Claveman > mister c gonna gimme grief? [ 2004.04.01 21:10:38 ] Airric > lol i telling him to redock in a transport [ 2004.04.01 21:10:59 ] Airric > come on down killer [ 2004.04.01 21:13:28 ] Mister C > /emote cowers under his noobie noogie blanket [ 2004.04.01 21:14:11 ] Claveman > mister c appeared :) [ 2004.04.01 21:14:14 ] Claveman > saw him on sacnner [ 2004.04.01 21:14:21 ] Claveman > dont think am tht dumb sister [ 2004.04.01 21:14:26 ] Airric > hes in a transport [ 2004.04.01 21:14:56 ] Claveman > skull lord too 0.0 how abt we do this later ;) [ 2004.04.01 21:15:19 ] skulllord > i am dock ing [ 2004.04.01 21:15:42 ] Claveman > o .. hmm in tht case [ 2004.04.01 21:16:28 ] Claveman > am comin back :) [ 2004.04.01 21:19:14 ] Airric > recharging sheilds seems sort of unfair [ 2004.04.01 21:21:39 ] Claveman > in cheats [ 2004.04.01 21:22:07 ] Claveman > LOL U CANT KEEP RU WORD [ 2004.04.01 21:22:13 ] Claveman > thts goin on forums u *in tosser [ 2004.04.01 21:22:26 ] Claveman > this whole dev log with combat logs [ 2004.04.01 21:22:37 ] Claveman > chat log [ 2004.04.01 21:22:44 ] Claveman > airrix u sorry **s [ 2004.04.01 21:22:55 ] Claveman > lol [ 2004.04.01 21:23:05 ] Claveman > u guys are the cheapest muther*** i ever seen [ 2004.04.01 21:23:18 ] Airric > i hard you by myself and you ran [ 2004.04.01 21:23:23 ] Claveman > NO U [ 2004.04.01 21:23:28 ] Claveman > U HAD OTHER LOCK EM AND FIRE [ 2004.04.01 21:23:31 ] Claveman > I HAVE TI ON LOG [ 2004.04.01 21:23:37 ] Claveman > u **in tosser [ 2004.04.01 21:23:46 ] Airric > did anything else hit you Please keep it clean... - Lomithrandra
hellwarrior	Posted - 2004.04.01 22:35:00 - [2] your posting on an alt, yet your chatlog is with your main? leet x tres
Candy	Posted - 2004.04.01 22:36:00 - [3] You know that if someone logs on near you with the itention of tricking you (a.k.a. log and wait till they think its safe) that it is considered an exploit and is a fairly strong offense. You may want to petition.
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.04.02 01:34:00 - [4] Petition it... and post with your main if you can't fix the chat log _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.04.02 02:13:00 - [5] Log off exploit. Petition it. I really hoped they get banned and not just warned.
Alustrious	Posted - 2004.04.02 04:37:00 - [6] no point in this post, flame bait and hypocritical
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:00:00 - [7] I would petition you for foul language on LOCAL ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
Razaelle	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:48:00 - [8] Hum... What do you call guerilla exactely ? Loging off as soon as the situation becomes tricky for you ? Don't say you didn't do it, you would not have been able to stay in Omist that long without using this tactic. Guess what, it came to a moment when someone had enought running after you... If you employ coward tactics, don't feel abused if someone else employs some too.
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.04.02 13:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 02/04/2004 13:54:47 Quote: Hum... What do you call guerilla exactely ? Loging off as soon as the situation becomes tricky for you ? Don't say you didn't do it, you would not have been able to stay in Omist that long without using this tactic. Guess what, it came to a moment when someone had enought running after you... If you employ coward tactics, don't feel abused if someone else employs some too. Slight differance between the two situations you presented, no wait, TOTALLY differant. Running to a safe spot and logging isn't an exploit and doesn't offer any advantages in combat, logging in to trap someone is. Petition the offenders, enough people have cried and bleeted about this to make it an exploit so don't let it go unpunished. EDIT: It was a bit stupid to post under an alt then post the chatlog with your main character displayed, any reason for that?
Coldplay	Posted - 2004.04.02 14:20:00 - [10] hehe
Heine Shaver	Posted - 2004.04.02 14:28:00 - [11] 1. You attack them (guerilla style) for a week and they are noobs they should file a harassment petition. 2. There is no such thing as the log-on tactic anymore, if you log on you still have to warp to where you were before. If they came through the gate and you accepted a fight at a gate you deserve to get Pod'd. 3. They beg you for days to fight, but you don't accept the first day because you'd rather attack them when they have miners equiped. 4. You mentioned the forums thereby making it a personal attack and not in a RP aspect. 5. If you take out mining bs's and think your cool. See you in game!
Koda	Posted - 2004.04.02 14:36:00 - [12] Edited by: Koda on 02/04/2004 14:38:38 Quote: You know that if someone logs on near you with the itention of tricking you (a.k.a. log and wait till they think its safe) that it is considered an exploit and is a fairly strong offense. You may want to petition. I smell Teamspeak shenanigans. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Airric	Posted - 2004.04.02 15:30:00 - [13] This is rather simple. Nobody logged on when you and i were fighting. Now some did log on and have to warp to the space we were fighting. Do you really think you would have gotten away if that were the case. Yes you have taken out 2 bses. Good job on mine, but lets not act as if a transport is something to call yourself a killer about. Cruisers arent worth talking about either. Stop running and hidding when you have you armor all the way down. I dont and never will. If i deside to stay and fight in a bs its till i win or lose and hats off to the other if I lose. Now post the rest of the chat log. Calling someone a coward. You run to safe spot and then log. Real honorable. Later. Hope to see you tonight. If i lose again i have another ship for the next day and so forth.
Atar	Posted - 2004.04.02 15:31:00 - [14] Quote: 1. You attack them (guerilla style) for a week and they are noobs they should file a harassment petition. 2. There is no such thing as the log-on tactic anymore, if you log on you still have to warp to where you were before. If they came through the gate and you accepted a fight at a gate you deserve to get Pod'd. 3. They beg you for days to fight, but you don't accept the first day because you'd rather attack them when they have miners equiped. 4. You mentioned the forums thereby making it a personal attack and not in a RP aspect. 5. If you take out mining bs's and think your cool. See you in game! Totally agree! I'll see you ingame too. If it's one thing I hate is a ganker that cries when the odds are stacked against him
Playmate Bunny	Posted - 2004.04.02 15:45:00 - [15] well well well... if you really want too **** em off, get a frig, and take out indies and they're valued dropped cans (check'em for loot before you blow em up), then again, don't accept 1vs1's on hostile grounds, the only place where it is acceptable is neutral territory, since some corp mates might log in by accident, through a misunderstanding, attack you , not knowing that the fight was a 1vs1... and are you flying what scorp setup ? tank, ew, ³bertank ? I know that the IF/xetic alliance is so scared of me that no matter what ship i'm flying, E8-Y(can't remember rest) always fills up with bs as soon as I pop in, which tells me that they are somewhat organized, only lacking in pvp experience. Thus not realizing what it takes too do what job. Not saying I'm some sort of PvP expert or superhero, just saying thatt I have boatloads of PvP experience, therefore I hold my own a bit better than someone who's most combat experience comes from killing npc's/fighting blob wars ------------ Noone is safe from my shots, I like shooting at stuff, If you don't want too get shot at, you better stay the hell out of my sight
Razaelle	Posted - 2004.04.02 15:45:00 - [16] Quote: Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 02/04/2004 13:54:47 Quote: Hum... What do you call guerilla exactely ? Loging off as soon as the situation becomes tricky for you ? Don't say you didn't do it, you would not have been able to stay in Omist that long without using this tactic. Guess what, it came to a moment when someone had enought running after you... If you employ coward tactics, don't feel abused if someone else employs some too. Slight differance between the two situations you presented, no wait, TOTALLY differant. Running to a safe spot and logging isn't an exploit and doesn't offer any advantages in combat, logging in to trap someone is. Petition the offenders, enough people have cried and bleeted about this to make it an exploit so don't let it go unpunished. EDIT: It was a bit stupid to post under an alt then post the chatlog with your main character displayed, any reason for that? Who said we used a log on exploit ? The guys warped to him, that's all. Unfair ? yes maybe. It's common sense to not trust a pirate, right ? So why should we be fair when dealing with one of them who is harrassing us for days ? Plus, he actually knew that some of us were in the direct vicinity, as stated in the logs. So, who's to blame ? Us for trying to get rid of an annoyance, or him for his stupid move... hmmm ?
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.04.02 16:14:00 - [17] Quote: Who said we used a log on exploit ? It's the what he implied in his post. If I mis-interpreted the story or the story isn't true then fair enough
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.02 19:28:00 - [18] I don't care about log-on exploits or whatever - GM's have said the new cloaking/auto-warp away feature has nullified any of this log-on gank stuff. I do care that this guy was pwned in the first fight and lost a Tempest to a tanked Scorpion and then challenged Claveman to a 2nd 1 vs 1 in his Megathron but didn't have the balls to backup his big words. XETIC are a bunch of miners and they should stick to what they know best - mining and hauling. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
AwiL	Posted - 2004.04.02 20:19:00 - [19] /me hears lightning...storms a comin...time to dock and hide xetic...golem is ur god "We gon' bring it to anyone that wants it...You want it? You gon' get it..."
Dark Uncle	Posted - 2004.04.02 22:19:00 - [20] If a bunch of 10 BS's log off at a gate and (just) have to warp to it before killing a group of 4 bs then I still consider this an exploit. But thats just a personal opinion ___________________________________________ I don't suit pink and the frilly bits itch
Project2502	Posted - 2004.04.03 01:43:00 - [21] Well, i think somebody didn't get the topic in here. The topic is not any log on or log off exploit. I even dunno why this threat exists. Only because a bored EVE-Player tries his tactics in enemy-space?? Btw, who wanted to fight the whole time?? And of course only 1 on 1?? How weak must somebody be to to change the reallity that hard. Although you can't talk about reallity.. we're playing EVE. What can somebody expect, when he sits in a system, for around 4 till 5 days, violating the pilots in there. Having the luck or even skills and abilities to take some ships down, BS's included. How do you think the people will react. HUH?? They will escort you out of the territory with a little smile on their face? Don't you think you quite annoyed and maybe stressed other pilots? No? Well, what ever you think, i guess they will try a lot to kick that guy outa space. If fair or unfair. You were quite lucky that airric is here. Otherwise we just would have targeted your ass in a bigger team. Your will to fight 1 on 1 was just answered from airric. And so we didn't do it. Damn thing some tried it on their own... well.. their fault. Guess it's even a fault to reply in this threat.. how ever. We might be weak in PvP..., and now i'm speaking for our own corp, we might be not that experienced, yet. With every little attack we learn more and more. Btw, you wanted to say all that not to whine about it. You pretty much proofed the opposite. For now... enough... think i messed up my post, like always.. so it's ok... So long... cya around
Aurik Ulanti	Posted - 2004.04.03 09:07:00 - [22] Quote: 1. You attack them (guerilla style) for a week and they are noobs they should file a harassment petition. Yes, noobs have battleships right? Geeze, use your brain, a noob can't pilot one. And if he has so much isk that he actually can buy a BS he's up for grabs. "In the end you will remember not the words of your enemies, but the silence of your friends"
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.04.03 23:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Qutsemnie on 03/04/2004 23:11:37 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=66673 You all need to read that thread and realize the person was only playing a role. In fact I invite you to read point 2 of that thread. Im being sarcastic cause that post incapsulates why this post is right by dripping the antithesis to absurdity. Now im not being sarcastic. You have to have the ability censure behavior or you cannot have effective society. The rules in that link above are just fine for ut2004. But in a game that desires social structure you cannot go around attacking posters like this who have a problem with specific kinds of behavior. Anyway I agree with the original poster rebuke those that are out of line with acceptable behavior. Blame the player. Its only there that your online society will come to a mean average of how to play. But telling people not to blame players is insidiously destructive to online societies. Telling people to stop blaming players is the surest fire way to build frustration in those trying to take part in community. When you cannot hold the player accountable your social structure has no compass. It has no point. The reason for that is there is no way to hold CHARACTERS accountable. Law and order is not built into the game for anything but sec rating. A character cannot be held accountable for "being a rat bastard". But someone must be accountable! Therefore by default the player holds responsibility. When you can hold people accountable for being out of line then there is a need for comformity. There is a reduced instance of frustration and players can manage their own. This culture of DONT BLAME THE PLAYER ITS ALLLLL ROLEPLAY is counter to the grain to what makes MMORPGs great: developement of online society.

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