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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.18 22:49:00 -
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After sitting in a station waiting out my global timer I undocked. Scanning down some belts for about 20 secs I notice I have 70% armour so turn around to dock. Timer says I have like 7 secs to wait before docking timer is up. All the sudden I start taking station gunfire thats ok I've seen this happen before so I'm kinda resolved to losing my little ship. Spamming dock timer I'm still in ship and I get the docking lag. In all I kinda guess my ship is dead no biggy. I dock and all the sudden I'm in rens. Look at my clone and see I got pod'd. Lost full rack of very expensive implants. The good thing is I just farmed these so had exact prices on everything. So I wrote a extremely polite petition with all the information on it. What was lost, how it was lost,and cost of each item.
Now the scarying thing is I didn't get a lossmail since it was npc's that pod'd me. How will prove I had all the implants in my clone? I could careless about the ship but the clone will set me back weeks. Thanks for any input.
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:02:00 -
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Whoa 
Sounds really weird if you didn't get lossmail... I would think you would get reimbursement, but then again there needs to be some prove that it was a bug.
I hope the log shows it was done by NPC and you'll get your implants back.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:18:00 -
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Back in the old days (almost 3 years ago) a corp mate of mine got podded by NPCs during a mission after his ship was destroyed. If I recall correctly, he got reimbursed, so hopefully you will too.
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Ne0 MaTrIx
True Foundation
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ne0 MaTrIx on 18/02/2008 23:37:56
Ive been podded by sentries before when i got killed just as i was docking etc etc.
GMs simply didn't believe me, was great.
If a GM reads this and whats to check up of it was petitioned under (Name: Padorick) :)
"Hi,
Please check your pod kill mail, you were podded by a player not npc."
I pestered them for 2 more weeks till I got
"Hi Padorick,
We are sorry for the late reply. Your skill points have been reversed. Please check your skill journal. We are sorry for the inconvenience. "
I know they'll get snipped but its all about making sure your right.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:58:00 -
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Thing that sucks is I'm in the middle of moving so going to lose connection for about a week hope this doesn't screw me.
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mayhem slaughter
Caldari
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:42:00 -
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I was reimbursed Battlecruiser 5 before. I was sort of red flashy, and I died and had a clone in jita, I undocked and got podded. But the thing that allowed me to be reimbursed was the huge lag spike from undocking, so it was no fault of my own, I included that I didnt even have a fair chance to make it to the clone bay.
I thought it was very fair.
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Cyne Spurr
MacroIntel
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:25:00 -
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I've had NPCs attack my pod before, I was lurking around near my wreck after my ship got wrecked and as I bookmarked the site, the NPCs started on my pod. Thankfully they did not scram me so I jumped out.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:37:00 -
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AFAIK, NPC's should not attack pods.
You will need to wait for the GM to confirm what happened.
If the GM's explaination does not make sense, press until the explaination is consistant with the facts.
FYI - the timer displayed by the client is not always perfectly sync'ed with the server. If it was out of sync, it is possible that you undocked before your timer ran out, and were then podded by another player and not by an NPC. If that is the case, then a reimbursement is unlikely.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:21:00 -
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In a way, you will get the implants back, thats what happened to me =]
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
FYI - the timer displayed by the client is not always perfectly sync'ed with the server. If it was out of sync, it is possible that you undocked before your timer ran out, and were then podded by another player and not by an NPC. If that is the case, then a reimbursement is unlikely.
Wait, are you saying that theres still desync? Cause some GM's refuse to believe it exists so therefore it must not.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Wait, are you saying that theres still desync? Cause some GM's refuse to believe it exists so therefore it must not.
That is not De-sync
and the GM's know De-sync exists as ccp is still working on it.. 
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:23:00 -
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Desynchronization- the relation that exists when things occur at unrelated times; The process of getting out of synchronization
Client shows timer being up, server does not, seems like desync to me.
And about GM/CCP knowing it exists CCP does, some GM's seem to not because they can't replicate it.
Having you ship blown up by rats 13 AU away isnt desync according to some.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Originally by: Matalino
FYI - the timer displayed by the client is not always perfectly sync'ed with the server. If it was out of sync, it is possible that you undocked before your timer ran out, and were then podded by another player and not by an NPC. If that is the case, then a reimbursement is unlikely.
Wait, are you saying that theres still desync? Cause some GM's refuse to believe it exists so therefore it must not.
Damnit...Now I have to go and do this...Why did you have to bring that up?
*sprinkles magic powder over the thread readers to clear their minds of that naughty D word, because they know the truth: There is no Desync.*
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For the LAST time...
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
And about GM/CCP knowing it exists CCP does, some GM's seem to not because they can't replicate it.
No, the GM's know there are desyncs, but because they cannot see them in their logs you will not be reimbursed for it...... So they know their software is buggy but they will not give you back your ship because they cannot be 100% sure you lost your ship because of one of those bugs.
And for TS, usually you will be reimbursed, but some GM's are pretty convinced NPC/station guns do not POD and therefore will tell you it didn't happen  So if you encounter one of them just escalate your petition.
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: ZerKar
Damnit...Now I have to go and do this...Why did you have to bring that up?
*sprinkles magic powder over the thread readers to clear their minds of that naughty D word, because they know the truth: There is no Desync.*
All is well now, I have seen the light
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Elendor Xanadaph
Amarr
Redwind Trading Facility
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:16:00 -
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I have recently petitioned a similar situation to clarify timer rules, but in effect what i was told that the timer means nothing. If you wait out your client timer and undock you will be shot at, you have to count to yourself 15 min before undocking, dont rely on the timer.
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elendor Xanadaph
I have recently petitioned a similar situation to clarify timer rules, but in effect what i was told that the timer means nothing. If you wait out your client timer and undock you will be shot at, you have to count to yourself 15 min before undocking, dont rely on the timer.
His problem is not the timer, but the fact he got PODed by NPC/station turrets.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:49:00 -
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Day Two of petition, no effort made by CCP. Seems they'll wait for there logs to get outdated before responding.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Corstaad
Day Two of petition, no effort made by CCP. Seems they'll wait for there logs to get outdated before responding.
Nah, they have just read your recent posts and dropped your petition to the bottom of the queue. You'll just have to wait for another two weeks before you get some kind of answer.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 19/02/2008 21:40:44
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Originally by: Matalino
FYI - the timer displayed by the client is not always perfectly sync'ed with the server. If it was out of sync, it is possible that you undocked before your timer ran out, and were then podded by another player and not by an NPC. If that is the case, then a reimbursement is unlikely.
Wait, are you saying that theres still desync? Cause some GM's refuse to believe it exists so therefore it must not.
No, what I was saying is that it is known that those timers are not perfectly accurate.
Do a little bit of reading and you will find quotes like these in the official documentation: Quote:
Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed.
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But if you stay docked in a station, without logging out, for 15 - 20 minutes then you should be able to return to space safely. Always try it in a noob ship or in a shuttle first though, just to be on the safe side.
The GM will go by the server side counter regardless of what your client side counter might have told you. Originally by: Ping Li
His problem is not the timer, but the fact he got PODed by NPC/station turrets.
If he was podded by an NPC then he can expect to get a reimbursement for the implants/clone. However, if he was podded by a player who happened to catch him at the right time, then no reimbursement. He said that he has no record of the loss, which is strange, so he does not have proof one way or the other as to who killed the pod. He will need to wait for a GM to verify the kill in the logs. Originally by: Corstaad
Day Two of petition, no effort made by CCP. Seems they'll wait for there logs to get outdated before responding.
Two days for a reimbursement petition is not long enough to give up hope. Expect it to take at least a week or two. If it gets answered in less than that it would be a pleasent suprise.
Their logs will not show anything different because of the delay.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Altruism.
Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:44:00 -
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there IS a very uncommon bug that causes you to be podded with no mail when you change sessions as your ship detonates.
proof that your ship died and implants were lost as you were podded is simple to establish as this happened to me.
i was fully reimbursed for my implants and lost sp, but not the shuttle XD
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:51:00 -
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^^^ Yup exactually what happen. I've chilled out a bit, just had to take a break from killing boars to afford the new set.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Altruism.
Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:59:00 -
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exactly mate, cool your heels. if you have no pod info and you were changing sesh as your ship blows up it may just be that bug.
besides a podding and no mail should always result in reimbursment.
and d/w i shat a chicken when it happened to me (was messing around with an LG snake set when i decided to pop next door and get a new skillbook)
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