Cygnus Scott
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda you could just warp to a safespot and drop your jetcan there. while still possible to be looted, the odds a can flipper go to the trouble is much less.
That makes absolutely no sense you even think about that statement? If you're going to warp away from your mining spot then why not just safely deposit your ore in station?
If a jet can were as some people put it "a garbage bin" then there would be no ownership of said cans and you wouldn't get a warning from taking something from them. Jet cans are temporary storage containers to allow you to store items in that exceed your current cargo space. You can trash an item and it does not pop into a jet can it gets deleted.
CCP absolutely needs a much larger secure container or some sort of deployable item that is a cross between a jet can and a secure container.
Basically make a deployable item that requires Anchoring to launch, once it is launched it cannot be moved except by tractor beam. The only ships that could scoop it into their cargo bay are those exceeding 27,000 m^3 that the can takes up. The Container is password secured and expires after 2 hours and like Secure Containers can be launched for self or corp. These would cost roughly 50-75k ISK each.
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Syringe My understanding is that this has already been addressed - numerous times. Mining into a jettison can is against the intended game mechanics. Yes, you can use a secure can as a medium between you and a hauler if you're really that terrifically concerned about it. Otherwise, be prepared to either defend your ore or accept it as loss. Nobody MAKES you mine into a jet-can, there are other mechanics that help circumvent this so if you get can-jacked, who's fault is it? Yup, that's right. Yours.
I'd have to disagree for one very obvious reason. Jet cans are 27,000 m^3 no matter if a Frigate or Industrial jettisons it, if they weren't meant to be used for mining wouldn't it be more appropriate that they reflect the size of the ship's hold that jettisoned it? So a Frigate with a hold 130 m^3 should only be able to create a jet can 130 m^3 if the logic you and others present holds true.
Actually you must know nothing about mining, why if I've got a hauler handy (I mean someone actually hauling for me) am I going to go through the trouble of buying a GCS and anchoring it? A strip mining laser takes 3 minutes to cycle, so if I dump the ore from my hold into a jet can and my hauler friend/alt takes it from the can right away (except one unit of course) there is no risk to using a jet can with more than one person. The Industrial pilot has almost 6 minutes from the time they take the last cycle to the time they have to return before any ore is actually at risk from a flipper.
It is the solo miner with no hauler alt (second account) who has the risk jet can mining because they have to let the ore sit in a can until they can retrieve it with their hauler.
Yes someone does make you mine into a jet-can, CCP does because they provide nothing bigger than a GSC which is woefully inadequate once you hit the level of mining barges. One cycle fills your ships hold, two cycles fills your GSC, and the third one you have to warp back and get your industrial to haul. This is costly in the form of time, not to mention tedious in the extreme. Then you also have the issue of being able to anchor a container, but that may not be so bad with the upcoming patch.
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