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Ttamo
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:01:00 -
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Right off the bat, I will say I am new to this game..no doubt about it. So onto the story, I was mining in a Security lvl 0.4, in a frigate, expecting to die or not be even worth the effort. Anyhoo, a PC flew in, shut down my warp drive and started pounding me from a missle boat. Of course I stood no chance and after the 5th missle I was dust. Hey this is PVP..what am I to expect right? So I hail the person and ask why me in this speck of a ship he would attack me. Reply was "Becuase you exisited"..ok...good enough. Then I asked him if he considers himself a pirate? His reply was "Yes". Which lead me into my next question of, "Well since you had already shut down my warp drive, and I really could not escape, why not just ask me to dump my cargo in a true pirate fashion?" No reply. So I ask here, are there any true pirates out there and not just murderers?
Thank the heavens for insurance! 
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flaming phantom
Minmatar
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:17:00 -
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sometimes you will run across people who will hold you down and demmand a ransom, otherwise they kill you
but for the most part "pirates" are people who gank other industrialists and NPcers in low sec
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 21/02/2008 15:24:06
Short answer:
There are "real" pirates, and some of them are awesome at that (I wouldn't midn to get caught by them for the entertainment value alone), but there are far more wannabe pirates who basically go around to blow up anything that can't defend themselves (properly).
The more accurate name for the latter group would be killmail-*****s, but yeah, they consider themselves pirates.
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Mephistophilis
Cygnus Alpha Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:28:00 -
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I think maybe the term for these people is Outlaws. But you'll come accros all sorts in the low sec belts, some will just kill you, some will ransom you and some may kill you after paying a ransom. You'll get the same on the gates too!
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:29:00 -
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Why ransom when one can pop the ship and get a chance at the fittings? I think it is also a way to help teach new people that you cannot count on being ransomed and getting away with your stuff. The real lesson here is that you should not have been in that belt by the time the pirate showed up. Learn to use the local window and your system scanner, if you are in a system alone and someone shows up, get out of the belt! Dont worry about finishing any rats you are on, or letting your mining lasers finish a cycle, just gtfo, start bouncing safespots of if there is a station, dock.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Billy Sastard
Why ransom when one can pop the ship and get a chance at the fittings?
Ransoming is less hassle. No need to have a trade run to go and sell the crappy modules.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:40:00 -
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I used to pirate where you actually ransom.
Usually I am too paranoid to just hold a target still. I have to be very sure that I am not going to die if I sit there and chit chat with the person for money.
Also on gates/stations I won't risk letting them get away so I pop'm for the killmail. Killmails are fun. They make me look like I kill things a lot.
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Ttamo
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:41:00 -
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Oh dont get me wrong, I am not complaining that I was blown up. I am fully aware of the consequences of being in such a low sector. But for the comment of me not to be there, well where else are you gonna get such an target? 
Besides it would be like me saying you shouldn't be in the kitchen if you got burned...how else you gonna get ur food?
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:10:00 -
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Yeah, they sometimes don't bother ransoming, for a variety of reasons:
1. Maybe he thought your cargo expander modules would be worth more than the little bit of kernite that you had in your hold.
2. Spending time chitchatting, or trying to get the victim to pay up already, often results in the victim's friends warping in for a rescue.
3. Maybe he couldn't stop the 5th missile in time.
Anyway, lowsec is getting very sparsely populated, they've killed pretty much everyone who might have wanted to go in there already.
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Vid Eeomeet
Soliders Of Eve
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Vid Eeomeet on 21/02/2008 16:13:02
It's not so much, don't go there, it's more like be ready to run when a pirate pulls into the star system. The easiest thing to do is retract your drones (if you're currently using any) and align to a safe spot you've made, station or stargate, etc. At this point, open your scanner (which you should always have open if you in lowsec and don't want to get caught.) The moment you see a new ship in your scan range, warp off. I killed the same dude 2 times in just over an hour in the same hidden belt because he wasn't ready or wasn't watching his scanner. Lowsec and 0.0 are fun, dangerous and lucrative, you just need to keep your wits about you and be ready to bail out. It doesn't mean you shouldn't go there. 
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Ttamo
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ttamo on 21/02/2008 16:16:18
I have noticed the sector that I am in, is very sparsely populated..think I have seen 2 people in there, when I am on, in the past 6 days. Anyways...good convo, good hints.
I do have a safe spot booked marked, and all that stuff open, he just caught me at the right time at the right place, when I just launched my drones and started to lock in on the golden omber I wanted. Almost like the perfect storm..lol
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:17:00 -
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Truth be told, low sec is absolutely miserable for miners. You are as a solo miner pretty much stuck to rushing back and forth between the belt and a base in your miningfrigate because anything larger won't be getting away in time to escape a pirate who knows how to use the directional scanner.
The only way to make it profitable is to use exploration (gives access to ores normally only found in 0.0) and working in large scale operations run by a corp that knows how to defend itself in low sec. Of course if a corp knows that, they might just as well use that knowledge to do the same in 0.0 where the rewards are better.
About the only viable moneyraiser a solo capsuleer can do in low sec with some measure of effectiveness is ratting. There are apparently some pretty good implants and officer loot held by low sec belt rats, it can be done in ships that align fairly easily and it doesn't require you to sit still at a rock close to warp in so even if aligning takes a bit longer you'll be out of scrambling range anyway.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:20:00 -
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But, keep in mind that for a pirate, the belts are just about the easiest place to find prey, and thus the first place to look. And the prey is usually soft; mining ships can't usually take a lot of damage, and ratting ships may not be configured for PVP.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 21/02/2008 16:25:16
Just to elaborate a bit on some of the things touched on in replies. There are a number of pirate gangs out there that do ransom in low-sec, including mine. Not every ship we catch gets a ransom offer. Some of the variables:
1) How you came across to members in the past. If you were a dunderhead we're likely to treat you like one and try to harvest your pod.
2) Do you look like bait? A frig (especially in an NPC corp) mining in a low-sec belt is either a very green rookie or bait. Bait ships often get popped quickly while the pirate scans and watches for a local spike. Belt pirating leaves less time for considering a ransom because of the high use of baiting tactics by certain corps and the fact that other pirates are hunting as well. Pirates prey on pirates just as much if not more then they do on nonpirates.
3) Do you likely have the isk and a ship worth taking the risk to ransom you in a belt? A rookie in a belt mining doesn't have much worth ransoming and likely either doesn't have or doesn't feel what he's flying is worth enough isk to balance the risk of hanging around trying to squeeze a couple mil out of him (and forget your ore - zero value essentially). A quick KM and an EVE life-lesson for the rookie to be more vigilant in low-sec is worth more. I usually convo (or try to) younger players that I pop to see if they understand what they did that allowed me to catch them so they can try to improve. That's worth more imo to you then your ship if you plan to be in low-sec more.
4) Do you appear to be a farmer? You weren't but we generally don't ransom obvious farmers. Others do for some considerable profit and kudos to them. We just prefer to blow them up.
5) Are you an older player with just a godawful fit and lousy mods? We pop obvious terribly fit mission runners. It's a good laugh for our KB and a mercy killing for EVE.
There are quite a few pirates in low-sec. Just because they didn't ransom you doesn't necessarily mean they weren't a pirate. Just might mean you weren't worth the trouble/risk to but they'll take the KM all the same and hopefully (imo) you took something away from it that will help you be a better low-sec player in the future (spam your scanner at 360 degrees and watch local).
Safer Travels
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo
2) Do you look like bait? A frig (especially in an NPC corp) mining in a low-sec belt is either a very green rookie or bait. Bait ships often get popped quickly while the pirate scans and watches for a local spike. Belt pirating leaves less time for considering a ransom because of the high use of baiting tactics by certain corps and the fact that other pirates are hunting as well. Pirates prey on pirates just as much if not more then they do on nonpirates.
This. I would've assumed that you were bait and just killed you as fast as possible, preparing myself for the probable real fight to follow.
I'll ransom when the situation permits. I have a tendency to fight against the odds though, especially when the target has friends in local, and those situations usually don't permit for time wasted ransoming, unless I want to become the target myself.
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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.02.22 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: ZerKar on 22/02/2008 04:53:55
The answer is Yes, BUT, there are more flat out killers than real pirates. But the real ones ARE out there, Veto has a fair number in their ranks for instance. IF they ransome you and you pay it they MUST let you go. Most will just kill anything that moves though, repeatedly if given the chance and you whine about it (that is what they love).
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.22 05:08:00 -
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Keep in mind, Ard, that not every .1 or .2 system is out in the middle of nowhere, just like not every .4 system is crowded. You shouldn't really focus on sec status and more on what's there.
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