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Mystery Shopping Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.21 15:58:00 - [1] As the theme "capital and supercapital ships" is new to me, i have a simple question: Where can you hide your mothership/titan, as you can¦t dock at any station nor at outposts ??? Maybe cloaked at a deep safespot or inside a pos shield ??? Thanks, Mystery
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:06:00 - [2] You don't really hide it, you just protect it with pos and ships. log off in an SS ect.. ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
6Bagheera9 Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:08:00 - [3] Ask Backdoor Bandit where he keeps his Avatar.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:11:00 - [4] If you trust your corp you can park it in a Capital Maintenance Array. But considering the high visibility of Capital Maintenance arrays that isn't exactly the most stellar idea either. There is a reason why all the titans are flown by alts specifically developed/bought for the task. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Emperor Ryan Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Mystery Shopping As the theme "capital and supercapital ships" is new to me, i have a simple question: Where can you hide your mothership/titan, as you can¦t dock at any station nor at outposts ??? Maybe cloaked at a deep safespot or inside a pos shield ??? Thanks, Mystery Do what my friend has done, He has an alt which is pure speed based, he set out in a ship traveling well over 10km per second and left the account going, resetting it every dt, he did this way before he acquired his cap ship. over about i think 3-4 months he stopped and bookmarked it, hid his ship there, he got far enough away for you to not be able to locate it, but with recent developments of people trying to reach joivain space, i wonder if his place could be found, none the less he stil moves deeper into space, and still has is Mom. For how long, who knows
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Emperor Ryan ...set out in a ship traveling well over 10km per second and left the account going,.. hid his ship there, ... o.0 I'd love to know the system name. This is why I drop long range probes everywhere I go. If he's within 999au of anything his safe spot will be probed out in seconds by any prober with decent skills. Even outside 999au isn't safe as you're gambling that the prober doesn't have deep safe spots themselves. Cap ships are very easy to find anywhere in system. Ceptors can be found in a few minutes due to sig size.
Mystery Shopping Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:26:00 - [7] Edited by: Mystery Shopping on 21/02/2008 16:31:47 First thanks a lot for the constructive answers!! How long is the ship visible after i am logging off at a safespot (with no aggro)??? Can it be scanned down (with Observator Deep Space Probe) after logging off too ??? Thanks, Mystery Edit: typos
Viz Zu	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:26:00 - [8] At 10km a second and traveling for 120 days, gets you out to around .69 AU. Far enough to keep me from droping by.
Emperor Ryan Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:28:00 - [9] Originally by: ***zilla Originally by:** Emperor Ryan ...set out in a ship traveling well over 10km per second and left the account going,.. hid his ship there, ... o.0 I'd love to know the system name. This is why I drop long range probes everywhere I go. If he's within 999au of anything his safe spot will be probed out in seconds by any prober with decent skills. Even outside 999au isn't safe as you're gambling that the prober doesn't have deep safe spots themselves. Cap ships are very easy to find anywhere in system. Ceptors can be found in a few minutes due to sig size. Like i said, it's a matter of time untill someone finds it, but its also well guarded, but its not offten he leaves his mom anyway.thats why you have alts
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Mystery Shopping How long is the ship visible after i am logging off at a safespot (with no aggro)??? About 30 seconds. Not sure of the exact time. Originally by: Mystery Shopping Can it be scanned down (with Observator Deep Space Probe) after logging off too ??? Yes. They'd have to probe (30seconds), warp, switch to snoop (10s), probe (30 seconds), warp, then pop you before you disappear. Generally not possible. Getting points after you've logged doesn't matter. You'll just disappear. What can get you killed is forgetting an aggro timer, or being bugged. I've probed and warped to what I thought was a hostile carrier only to find it was an alliance mate that had logged off hours before and was apparently bugged. If you're paranoid have someone check to be sure you're off scan after you log off. If you don't disappear after 30-60 seconds, ya gotta ask a GM to forcibly disconnect you. I wouldn't worry about this for anything but caps however.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.21 16:55:00 - [11] Originally by: ****zilla Edited by: ****zilla on 21/02/2008 16:45:34 Originally by: Mystery Shopping How long is the ship visible after i am logging off at a safespot (with no aggro)??? About 30 seconds. Not sure of the exact time. Originally by: Mystery Shopping Can it be scanned down (with Observator Deep Space Probe) after logging off too ??? Yes. They'd have to probe (30seconds), warp, switch to snoop (10s), probe (30 seconds), warp, then pop you before you disappear. Generally not possible even with excellent skills, implants and luck. Getting points after you've logged doesn't matter. You'll just disappear. What can get you killed is forgetting an aggro timer, or being bugged. I've probed and warped to what I thought was a hostile carrier only to find it was an alliance mate that had logged off hours before and was apparently bugged. If you're paranoid have someone check to be sure you're off scan after you log off. If you don't disappear after 30-60 seconds, ya gotta ask a GM to forcibly disconnect you. I wouldn't worry about this for anything but caps however. 30 secs is quite slow for a proffessional prober :P and that 10 sec for probe swap... you do it in warp :) ---------------------------------- This is Me
Batelle HOMELESS.	Posted - 2008.02.21 17:18:00 - [12] If you're talking about logging off IN your supercapital, just log inside a pos. If you're talking about ejecting and leaving it, anyone with a deep space probe will get it. deep space probe actually has unlimited range, not 999 au. And even with low sensor strength they should pick up a supercapital pretty easily. And if you happen to log off in a titan or mothership, even without an aggro timer, due to the high signature a decent prober could get you very fast, and then you're ******.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 17:22:00 - [13] Simple, never leave it.
Helen coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 17:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Sokratesz Simple, never leave it. This to be honest. Well unless someone prises you out of it, sure some people use alts but I'd love to know who uses a alt specially trained to fly a titan. Way I see it is only people playing for 3 years or more will have trained up support skills to max to be able to fly a titan to its fullest. I'm sure you can make an alt to fly a titan within a year but not fly it properly in battle. Still this is why I have alts!
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.21 17:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Helen Originally by: Sokratesz Simple, never leave it. This to be honest. Well unless someone prises you out of it, sure some people use alts but I'd love to know who uses a alt specially trained to fly a titan. Way I see it is only people playing for 3 years or more will have trained up support skills to max to be able to fly a titan to its fullest. I'm sure you can make an alt to fly a titan within a year but not fly it properly in battle. Still this is why I have alts! I was under the impression the alts were often minimally trained so they can just fly the ship, that way your main can go off and bomb around doing whatever whilst still keeping your investment safe.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 22:25:00 - [16] Why not keep your main in it (with the average value of implants that should be in a moms pilot head you dont want to be caught outside it, tbh) and instead use the alts to screw around with?
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.21 23:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Sokratesz Why not keep your main in it (with the average value of implants that should be in a moms pilot head you dont want to be caught outside it, tbh) and instead use the alts to screw around with? Jumpclones? --
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 23:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Sokratesz Why not keep your main in it (with the average value of implants that should be in a moms pilot head you dont want to be caught outside it, tbh) and instead use the alts to screw around with? You can train an alt to fly a MS with only 10mil SP. You cant do jack with 10m SP pvp wise except maybe fly a ceptor.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.21 23:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Sokratesz Why not keep your main in it (with the average value of implants that should be in a moms pilot head you dont want to be caught outside it, tbh) and instead use the alts to screw around with? You can train an alt to fly a MS with only 10mil SP. You cant do jack with 10m SP pvp wise except maybe fly a ceptor. While I agree with not keeping the main in it, huh? Can't do jack with 10mil SP? --
Heloise ChateauBriande	Posted - 2008.02.21 23:16:00 - [20] Can a cloak help out here? I assume that you would uncloak when you log.. but perhaps not for some of the bugged log-out attempts mentioned? Maybe stay online and cloaked at a safe spot? - Helo
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.02.21 23:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Emperor Ryan Originally by: Mystery Shopping As the theme "capital and supercapital ships" is new to me, i have a simple question: Where can you hide your mothership/titan, as you can¦t dock at any station nor at outposts ??? Maybe cloaked at a deep safespot or inside a pos shield ??? Thanks, Mystery Do what my friend has done, He has an alt which is pure speed based, he set out in a ship traveling well over 10km per second and left the account going, resetting it every dt, he did this way before he acquired his cap ship. over about i think 3-4 months he stopped and bookmarked it, hid his ship there, he got far enough away for you to not be able to locate it, but with recent developments of people trying to reach joivain space, i wonder if his place could be found, none the less he stil moves deeper into space, and still has is Mom. For how long, who knows Your friend doesn't know math very well... does he? Even at 100,000m/s For 365 days. Would only get you approx. 21.08AU. Hardly safe, Though it IS out of scanner range..... too bad 100,000m/s is highly impossible to achieve, much-less sustain.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.22 01:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: Emperor Ryan Originally by: Mystery Shopping As the theme "capital and supercapital ships" is new to me, i have a simple question: Where can you hide your mothership/titan, as you can¦t dock at any station nor at outposts ??? Maybe cloaked at a deep safespot or inside a pos shield ??? Thanks, Mystery Do what my friend has done, He has an alt which is pure speed based, he set out in a ship traveling well over 10km per second and left the account going, resetting it every dt, he did this way before he acquired his cap ship. over about i think 3-4 months he stopped and bookmarked it, hid his ship there, he got far enough away for you to not be able to locate it, but with recent developments of people trying to reach joivain space, i wonder if his place could be found, none the less he stil moves deeper into space, and still has is Mom. For how long, who knows Your friend doesn't know math very well... does he? Even at 100,000m/s For 365 days. Would only get you approx. 21.08AU. Hardly safe, Though it IS out of scanner range..... too bad 100,000m/s is highly impossible to achieve, much-less sustain. Idk if his friend really exists. But it was just my friend that pointed that out to me :p --
MiIes Naismith Amarr Guru Clan	Posted - 2008.02.22 03:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Sokratesz Why not keep your main in it (with the average value of implants that should be in a moms pilot head you dont want to be caught outside it, tbh) and instead use the alts to screw around with? You can train an alt to fly a MS with only 10mil SP. You cant do jack with 10m SP pvp wise except maybe fly a ceptor. While I agree with not keeping the main in it, huh? Can't do jack with 10mil SP? cause a alt trained straight to it will have 10 mil sp yes but its useless in pvp because Most of those ten mill points will be a linear progression straight into the ship ie no supporting skills. you dont think about them much until you try to train an alt after playing only one account for a while. most of us trained a LOT of small skills fast in the beginning months of eve that we never think about again until we have to train them for a specific module or weapons platform. as for useless well add up the points and the secondary and tertiary skill req points and youll see what he means. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh 2000 ([email protected])
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.22 06:43:00 - [24] Well okay, personal taste, but having to move around all the time with 2bil in your head wouldnt make me comfortable. Having a ship worth 30bil parked on an alt with no imps or skills whatsoever wouldn help either. I have alts with way more than 10mil SP and they let me do anything else i would ever wish to do in eve, so im content.
Avar Davola Knights Varangian	Posted - 2008.02.22 08:11:00 - [25] Either your main sits in the supercap and your alt flies other stuff, or your alt sits in the supercap and your main flies other stuff. Which way you say it hardly matters does it? Making an alt to fly a titan seems unlikely, I think what happens is when you put a character into one he becomes a secondary character because of the 'steel coffin' effect. Now, I need to start training up a titan alt...
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.22 08:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Avar Davola Either your main sits in the supercap and your alt flies other stuff, or your alt sits in the supercap and your main flies other stuff. Which way you say it hardly matters does it? Making an alt to fly a titan seems unlikely, I think what happens is when you put a character into one he becomes a secondary character because of the 'steel coffin' effect. Now, I need to start training up a titan alt... It's less of an inconvenience when the steel coffin has a yakuza and a pair of exotic dancers.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.02.22 09:34:00 - [27] Just launch some mining drones and eject, noone would bother as they would think it's me even if there's only you in local that's what I do... or do I? Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.22 09:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Emperor Ryan Do what my friend has done, He has an alt which is pure speed based, he set out in a ship traveling well over 10km per second and left the account going, resetting it every dt, he did this way before he acquired his cap ship. over about i think 3-4 months he stopped and bookmarked it, hid his ship there, he got far enough away for you to not be able to locate it, but with recent developments of people trying to reach joivain space, i wonder if his place could be found, none the less he stil moves deeper into space, and still has is Mom. For how long, who knows He's an idiot, he'd be less than 1 or 2 AU away from where he started -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.02.22 10:24:00 - [29] This thread is a testament about how broken the game mechanics can get in EVE. Don't want to lose your prized super capital? It has to float in space if you want to leave it. BUT WAIT! It doesn't, if you create a person to represent you WHILE YOU HAVE YOURSELF AS WELL to do other things. The copy of you can log off in it and it is effectively removed from the game. EVE would be a lot deeper if these sort of mechanics did not exist.

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