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Miners Strike
Mydas Eye
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:11:00 -
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Now I'm no Luddite, and appreciate that games evolve over time, but does anyone else get hacked off with the seemingly constant updates of Eve?
After each update I 99% know that when I log in there'll be another patch that will instantly follow.
This is ok if you're lucky enough to live in an area with fast internet. When I download Eve updates, all other internet business must stop. Any other online use of other PCs or phones must stop, or is slowed to an absolute crawl. Can't use Spotify, can't use Twatter, can't blah blah blah
As I said, I appreciate that CCP is continually tweaking and updating Eve, but boy does it p!ss me off sometimes!
When we used to buy SNES games they, by and large, got it right first time. There was no comeback, so it had to work first time. Of course, working on the PC platform on an MMORPG is different, but it seems that there's always a patch for a patch. Why couldn't the neocom be optimised first time? For the sake of the sanity of those of us whose internet is slower than the post?
It seems like stuff is rushed out now for the hell of it, as they know they can rush out another damned patch.
CCP, thanks for continuing to care, but please would you try to minimise the amount of patches that, although fine if you have great broadband, can really grate for those of us not fortunate enough to have 21st century internet speeds :@
Yes, I am sort of mad!
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Master Nina
The 8th Tribe Seraphim
Dragoons.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:14:00 -
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Agreed. 0.9Mbit/s here. Downloading the patcher @ 5MB and then the patch itself seems a bit ********. Nothing wrong with fixing broken stuff, but couldn't it be done with smaller patches? You who have not experienced this, do not have a clue about how annoying and time consuming this is. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2850
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:18:00 -
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lol dial up
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions
Bloodbound.
334
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:19:00 -
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The sad thing is I am in Costa Rica and I probably have a faster internet connection than you. With 3Mbps (not amazing), I really hardly notice the patches. |
Geoscape
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:20:00 -
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Plan A: get faster internet, if available.
Plan B: get software that allows you to throttle downloads.
Plan C: download patches during the night or something. |
Master Nina
The 8th Tribe Seraphim
Dragoons.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:29:00 -
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Geoscape wrote:Plan A: get faster internet, if available.
Plan B: get software that allows you to throttle downloads.
Plan C: download patches during the night or something.
A: Yeah.... Not possible
B: Why? This does not increase downloadspeed
C: How? |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:31:00 -
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Yea, just as I thought, Costa Rica has faster internet than me, in the supposed 'promised land' of the South East of the UK. Fair play to you.
Granted, I live in the middle of nowhere, but for the UK, that means I have two reasonably large towns/villages within 2 miles of each side of me, but I'm in a quiet backwater with no houses near me. I'm sure the towns near me get pretty good broadband, with some ISPs offering 50mbps, but I'm stranded. This is no dial up, this is the best I can get from any ISP. It's just that we're far away from the exchange.
0.5mbps here at its best.
Glad to hear a couple of people here have the same issues.
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
95
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:32:00 -
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Miners Strike wrote:
When we used to buy SNES games they, by and large, got it right first time. There was no comeback, so it had to work first time. Of course, working on the PC platform on an MMORPG is different, but it seems that there's always a patch for a patch.
For the love of all that is holy tell me you are not comparing a 16 bit side scroll single player game made in the 90's to a 64 bit massive multiplayer platform ran continuously on servers world wide.
Miners Strike wrote: Why couldn't the neocom be optimised first time? For the sake of the sanity of those of us whose internet is slower than the post?
That's the funny thing about code. When you write it, it appears to be ok. You may get time to test it a little, and it appears ok. When you apply it to the entire systems it starts walking in circles, another set of code throws up and passes out, another set of code won't agree with anything the newly introduce code says, and the code in the corner simply vanishes from existence.
Miners Strike wrote:It seems like stuff is rushed out now for the hell of it, as they know they can rush out another damned patch.
Those are called deadlines, they take place is a business atmosphere. If there are rather important issues to attend to it becomes priority that we get them out fast.
Miners Strike wrote:CCP, thanks for continuing to care, but please would you try to minimise the amount of patches that, although fine if you have great broadband, can really grate for those of us not fortunate enough to have 21st century internet speeds :@
Yes, I am sort of mad!
It's not the companies fault. I personally thank them for their continuing support and if it means me losing 5 more minutes of game play then oh well. I think perhaps instead of asking the company what it can do for you maybe you should ask what you can do for the company. If it honestly requires the shutdown of pretty much anything electrical in the house just to update something the I would seriously consider upgrading from 14.4 baud dial up. I mean seriously, what does it take to download a MS patch? Or your daily firewall? Or the web browser patch? Or steam game patches? Certainly don't expect everyone else to take a hit because you are still in the 90's from the sounds of it.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
506
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:32:00 -
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Miners Strike wrote:
When we used to buy SNES games they, by and large, got it right first time. There was no comeback, so it had to work first time. Of course, working on the PC platform on an MMORPG is different, but it seems that there's always a patch for a patch. Why couldn't the neocom be optimised first time? For the sake of the sanity of those of us whose internet is slower than the post?
Do not compare console gaming to PC gaming, particularly not PC gaming in which the game itself changes over time. For console gaming you have to release one product, one time, for exactly one type of device for which you (presumably) know all quirks and workarounds, and which often uses the same tech underpinnings as tens of games before it.
PC developers do not have this luxury. All computers are different, and there is no way to iron out all possible problems. The best they can do (and are doing) is to preemptively catch as many problems as possible, then deal with others that players notice as quickly as possible. It's better than the alternative of only fixing the issue once a year, or never (Amarr drones, ahem).
Miners Strike wrote:It seems like stuff is rushed out now for the hell of it, as they know they can rush out another damned patch.
CCP, thanks for continuing to care, but please would you try to minimise the amount of patches that, although fine if you have great broadband, can really grate for those of us not fortunate enough to have 21st century internet speeds :@
Solutions have been offered before my post. You get what you pay for, you know? You want to play a constantly-evolving and updating MMO that the developers are constantly improving? Get a faster internet connection.
Miners Strike wrote:
Yes, I am sort of mad!
Can I have your stuffs?
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Geoscape
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:34:00 -
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Master Nina wrote:Geoscape wrote:Plan A: get faster internet, if available.
Plan B: get software that allows you to throttle downloads.
Plan C: download patches during the night or something. A: Yeah.... Not possible B: Why? This does not increase downloadspeed C: How?
A: most unfortunate, i recommend rebelling against the current establishment. Power to the people.
B: the purpose of such software is to allow you to use the internet normally while downloading stuff.
C: start download, go to sleep. |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:43:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Miners Strike wrote:
When we used to buy SNES games they, by and large, got it right first time. There was no comeback, so it had to work first time. Of course, working on the PC platform on an MMORPG is different, but it seems that there's always a patch for a patch. Why couldn't the neocom be optimised first time? For the sake of the sanity of those of us whose internet is slower than the post?
Do not compare console gaming to PC gaming, particularly not PC gaming in which the game itself changes over time. For console gaming you have to release one product, one time, for exactly one type of device for which you (presumably) know all quirks and workarounds, and which often uses the same tech underpinnings as tens of games before it. PC developers do not have this luxury. All computers are different, and there is no way to iron out all possible problems. The best they can do (and are doing) is to preemptively catch as many problems as possible, then deal with others that players notice as quickly as possible. It's better than the alternative of only fixing the issue once a year, or never (Amarr drones, ahem). Miners Strike wrote:It seems like stuff is rushed out now for the hell of it, as they know they can rush out another damned patch.
CCP, thanks for continuing to care, but please would you try to minimise the amount of patches that, although fine if you have great broadband, can really grate for those of us not fortunate enough to have 21st century internet speeds :@
Solutions have been offered before my post. You get what you pay for, you know? You want to play a constantly-evolving and updating MMO that the developers are constantly improving? Get a faster internet connection. Miners Strike wrote:
Yes, I am sort of mad!
Can I have your stuffs?
No.
Perhaps I should rephrase, for the sake of clarity.
I, like many other people in this world, cannot physically get any faster internet, ie the cables themselves and all that other magic, is not good enough, and all of the ISPs in the UK can only offer me 0.5mbps as a top speed.
If I could get faster internet, erm, I probably would! Then this wouldn't be a problem. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
412
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:46:00 -
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Nope, don't get "hacked off"at all.
Last patches download within minutes < 3, installing takes even less, auto reboot then next patch and I haven't lost any valuable time when the game is up to date.
And I do hope they do not stop fixing their EVE game. Ever again.
After the incarna cluster **** up, me like this CCP more then before.
Edit:
OP, you will have to live with it. Either do that or go for another game.
The problem you have is not CCP updating or/ and fixing their game after years of neglect but your transmission speed not being able to keep up with the now rapid changes.
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:47:00 -
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Geoscape wrote: C: start download, go to sleep.
I'm well versed in doing this.
Although not Eve and OT, Bohemia just released a 17gig patch for Take on Helicopters. That is literally 4 constant days of downloading for me, if not more. Or 8 nights. Excessive example, but not that unusual.
If you read the bit of my OP, I said that sure, you can download a 5/7/12mb patch when you go to sleep. But I know that 99% of the time, when I wake up or get in from work and load up Eve, yep, you guessed it, there'll be another patch to download to patch what was just patched.
I'm patched out.
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YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:49:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Nope, don't get "hacked off"at all.
Last patches download within minutes < 3, installing takes even less, auto reboot then next patch and I haven't lost any valuable time when the game is up to date.
And I do hope they do not stop fixing their EVE game. Ever again.
After the incarna cluster **** up, me like this CCP more then before.
Lol thanks.
But the point of this post is to say how annoying these patches are if you have terrible internet speeds with no viable alternative whatsoever.
So you saying that it takes you 3 minutes and is no problem at all, while quite funny, totally misses the point of the thread. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
506
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:50:00 -
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YoYo Geemo wrote:
Perhaps I should rephrase, for the sake of clarity.
I, like many other people in this world, cannot physically get any faster internet, ie the cables themselves and all that other magic, is not good enough, and all of the ISPs in the UK can only offer me 0.5mbps as a top speed.
If I could get faster internet, erm, I probably would! Then this wouldn't be a problem.
I guess I missed that, so I apologize for my adversarial tone.
However, you will find the same update behavior in all MMOs, and CCP shouldn't stop. They were doing it wrong before with the "not touching Eve" part of their history, and are finally doing it right now.
Perhaps they should however optimize the downloads via further compression, or change the code so that only minimal downloads are needed to update. That requires a fairly substantial amount of effort, though, and I'm not sure the cost analysis would put it at the top of their priorities.
In other words, you are quite possibly just screwed.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
405
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:55:00 -
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My sympathies to you guys with crappy interwebzors!
But, the fact of the matter is you're either going to dnload multiple small patches or a few large patches. Translated for 1990's interwebzors, multiple large patches or a few ZOMG! humongoid gonna take 2 weeks to download patches.
My suggestion is that if a 20MB patch brings your interwebzors to its knees then perhaps games with graphics aren't for you. I hear there are a few muds still out there that might work moar better! Or haX0r's your neighbor's interwebzors for more bandwidth.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:55:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I guess I missed that, so I apologize for my adversarial tone
No probs dude
Petrus Blackshell wrote: In other words, you are quite possibly just screwed.
I think you may be right... in some places in the UK, it seems like it's a toss-up between living somewhere nice and isolated, and having acceptable broadband / internet speed.
Perhaps I should move to Costa Rica and get 6x my dl speed... |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:56:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:My sympathies to you guys with crappy interwebzors!
But, the fact of the matter is you're either going to dnload multiple small patches or a few large patches. Translated for 1990's interwebzors, multiple large patches or a few ZOMG! humongoid gonna take 2 weeks to download patches.
My suggestion is that if a 20MB patch brings your interwebzors to its knees then perhaps games with graphics aren't for you. I hear there are a few muds still out there that might work moar better! Or haX0r's your neighbor's interwebzors for more bandwidth.
I think I agree.
I hear chess is quite a good game. |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
32
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:58:00 -
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YoYo Geemo wrote:No.
Perhaps I should rephrase, for the sake of clarity.
I, like many other people in this world, cannot physically get any faster internet, ie the cables themselves and all that other magic, is not good enough, and all of the ISPs in the UK can only offer me 0.5mbps as a top speed.
If I could get faster internet, erm, I probably would! Then this wouldn't be a problem.
You should look at satellite connections (downlink only), shouldn't cost you much (40-50Gé¼ I think), and will solve all you download problems 
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YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:58:00 -
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Well I've totally outed my main.
Can't blame that on my 90s internet! |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
413
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:00:00 -
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YoYo Geemo wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Nope, don't get "hacked off"at all.
Last patches download within minutes < 3, installing takes even less, auto reboot then next patch and I haven't lost any valuable time when the game is up to date.
And I do hope they do not stop fixing their EVE game. Ever again.
After the incarna cluster **** up, me like this CCP more then before. Lol thanks. But the point of this post is to say how annoying these patches are if you have terrible internet speeds with no viable alternative whatsoever. So you saying that it takes you 3 minutes and is no problem at all, while quite funny, totally misses the point of the thread.
I just edited my response seeing what your real problem was.
Being a bit rough giving an example, and the example is if you would still use IE 5.5. I have nothing to say about why you still use that but the world around you has moved on. Being stuck at where you are, you can try to upgrade and if that does not work for several reasons, you have to sadly endure that the world did move on while you are left a bit behind.
Yet, you can still play EVE. May take a bit to upgrade, but you are not left out like in the IE case suddenly all sites went HTML5.
It is not again CCP who is doing wrong. Your current situation places you where they are doing right and you cannot keep up.
Have you maybe friends with a faster speed who can send you the new client on a USB stick maybe?
It means you have to wait but don't suffer the burden of having to DL the whole thing?
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:00:00 -
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Sam Bowein wrote:You should look at satellite connections (downlink only), shouldn't cost you much (40-50Gé¼ I think), and will solve all you download problems
Ooh thanks for the tip, maybe I will. I don't pay much less than that now for 0.5mbps...
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
506
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:01:00 -
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By the way.
YoYo Geemo wrote:I live in the middle of nowhere ... two reasonably large towns/villages within 2 miles of each side of me
You poor baby.
(I friggin hate driving everywhere)
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:02:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:
It is not again CCP who is doing wrong. Your current situation places you where they are doing right and you cannot keep up.
Have you maybe friends with a faster speed who can send you the new client on a USB stick maybe?
It means you have to wait but don't suffer the burden of having to DL the whole thing?
Yea, I fully appreciate why CCP update lots, to give us the best game possible, and I'm grateful for this seeing as many games don't get as much love or care lavished on them. It's just tough when your internet is so pap.
Good point about getting a friend to download, that could work.
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Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
406
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:03:00 -
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I agree, IP over smoke signals makes my EVE life a total misery as well.
Dominique Vasilkovsky
Mashie Saldana
Monica Foulkes |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:06:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:By the way. YoYo Geemo wrote:I live in the middle of nowhere ... two reasonably large towns/villages within 2 miles of each side of me You poor baby.(I friggin hate driving everywhere)
Lol I know, and I appreciate that the UK is the size of a shoe, so that's my point - I am isolated here, no-one about, detached and in the country, yet equidistant from 2 towns only 2 miles away that have much, much better internet than me.
Why Lord, why?! Just extend the fricking magic cable to my house, or whatever it is. I was trying to make the point that I realise my internet is bad because I am in an isolated (south of UK definition) area, but two villages/towns around 2 miles away from me get spankingly fast internet.
It's different here from what you may know or be aware of! I bet your 'burb has wicked internet speed for all, even those 2 whole miles away in the same 'burb. |
YoYo Geemo
Mild Peril
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:12:00 -
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Sorry, got to go and power down now, I'm reading an email on my phone
Seems like chess / learning the trumpet is my best bet |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:36:00 -
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Must be hard crashing all the time when you enter a system that has 8+ people in it.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Master Nina
The 8th Tribe Seraphim
Dragoons.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:50:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Must be hard crashing all the time when you enter a system that has 8+ people in it.
EVE itself doesn't use any mentionable bandwidth. never experienced lag on my 0.9Mbit/s connection. Its the patching thats the problem. |
jenga
Thundercats
Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:55:00 -
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I have to say you all have it so good my 0.9kbps connection makes it true hell to get these patches |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
574
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:05:00 -
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Here is the problem(s).
It is impossible to know what will happen to every user when the patch is made live.
And don't say "test it on Sisi", most people don't bother with the test server.
Next problem would be if they didn't release the updates after the patch... being that they would let their game remain in a damaged state. Which would be unacceptable to most of the player base.
So oh well if you have to wait for it to download, much better waiting a few hours than logging on to find you can't play anyway. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
21
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:11:00 -
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YoYo Geemo wrote: UK internet stuff
Bug BT to move the fibre trial to your town. Or are they deploying that already. Also I have read the BT service is sh*t.
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
95
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:16:00 -
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Satellite Broadband is his best bet. Yeah your internet might be a little choppy in really bad weather (and it has to be really bad) but if you can see the sky you should be able to be serviced with no issue. |
second Tolate
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.02.18 00:02:00 -
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512/8=64kB/s
usual patch 15mb totals, let's say 20mb
20*1024=20-á480
20-á480/64=320s
64kB/s you max attainable speed with 0.5mb connection!
you are whining for possible 4min o download per patch and possible another 4min"extreme"
for the optimization !?
how bored are you in life!?
your English apparently, make a cup of tea, take your dog out for a walk!
have a spliff but chill the **** down!
5min man
or is it maybe you have a bedtime hour and those 5min rly fucks you up !?
rage for 5min seriously... people these days, never used the Internet before the 90s eh!? |
Zag'mar Jurkar
QC Steel Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.02.18 00:12:00 -
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Isn't it frustrating that this game require an internet connection ? I mean c'mon, we ain't in the 21st century ! Are we ? |
Shukuzen Kiraa
47-Ronin
Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
74
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Posted - 2012.02.18 00:27:00 -
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Miners Strike wrote:Now I'm no Luddite, and appreciate that games evolve over time, but does anyone else get hacked off with the seemingly constant updates of Eve?
After each update I 99% know that when I log in there'll be another patch that will instantly follow.
This is ok if you're lucky enough to live in an area with fast internet. When I download Eve updates, all other internet business must stop. Any other online use of other PCs or phones must stop, or is slowed to an absolute crawl. Can't use Spotify, can't use Twatter, can't blah blah blah
As I said, I appreciate that CCP is continually tweaking and updating Eve, but boy does it p!ss me off sometimes!
When we used to buy SNES games they, by and large, got it right first time. There was no comeback, so it had to work first time. Of course, working on the PC platform on an MMORPG is different, but it seems that there's always a patch for a patch. Why couldn't the neocom be optimised first time? For the sake of the sanity of those of us whose internet is slower than the post?
It seems like stuff is rushed out now for the hell of it, as they know they can rush out another damned patch.
CCP, thanks for continuing to care, but please would you try to minimise the amount of patches that, although fine if you have great broadband, can really grate for those of us not fortunate enough to have 21st century internet speeds :@
Yes, I am sort of mad!
Did you just ask them to fix less things so there would be less patches?
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