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Zapatero	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:26:00 - [1] Edited by: Zapatero on 24/02/2008 19:32:31 Here's a nice Sunday evening question; what do you think were the best years to be growing up watching sci-fi movies? I was 6 when I first saw Star Wars at the cinema in 1977, which was quickly followed by The Black Hole, Dune, Aliens and other great movies that poked out throughout the years of my careless adolescence. Not to leave out such TV series as Blake's 7 and early bouts of Dr Who and BSG. There was plenty of rubbish too of course; Battle Beyond the Stars, Terrahawks, Flash Gordon and some Mad Max rip-off with Molly Ringwold, and I missed first showings of Silent Running, 2001, This Island Earth and Quatermass. Even so, I think things were pretty good in my day What sci-fi TV/films did you see on their first showing and what did you think of the sci-fi generally when you were growing up? - Z EON \| blog \| Vote
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:30:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/02/2008 19:30:55 I don't think there has ever been a golden age of Science Fiction films, unless one counts the 50s with films like The Day The Earth Stood Still. Science Fiction has always been the ugly duckling of the movie genres, and even after nearly a hundred years they still don't know how to make good science fiction films that make money--instead they stick to horrible B-movies like Jumper. In terms of science fiction as a whole, I think one "Golden Age" was definitely the period around the 50s-60s when there were very large numbers of science fiction magazines and many successful novels. The 80s seem to have had a rebound, with a huge number of my favorite novels being written around that time. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:32:00 - [3] I was 10 when Star Wars came out and remember queuing up outside my local Odeon to go see it. You don't see queue's like that any more. My list is pretty much your list but I have to take exception with that Molly Ringwald film. It had Michael Ironside in it and as everyone knows, he's the greatest bad guy actor of all time so that makes the film good. Even though it was crap. _______________________________________
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:45:00 - [4] 80s by far. Aliens, Empire Strikes Back, Terminator, The Thing ( sorta science fiction). Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:57:00 - [5] I feel so young all the sudden, you oldies, how did you live with your self watching BSG with those ugly toasters, look at the difference now. We need more sci-fi though, less aliens of course, those things are always annoying, too clever, or by far mysterious. I want to watch more sci-fi like the new BSG or Firefly, were modren style stories of politics, crime, and drama gets implemented into a space dwelling generation. I was never a fun of star trek just because the idea of aliens that look like humans with obvious cheap make up modification seemed insulting to the viewwer. I seriously felt like they were taking the ****.
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:01:00 - [6] There's never been an age in my opinion. 2001: Space Odyssey came out in the 60's, the first Star Wars film came out in the 70's, Star Trek had it's good points every now and then across a time span of 30 years, and now in the 21st century we have the new Battlestar Galactica. There is no age where good stuff is churned out again and again, partly because most film companies have to make enough ****ty films in order to generate the revenue required to make the truly epic films.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:08:00 - [7] Your post reminded me of this great BBC microsite. To be fair, the late 90's/00's haven't been too shabby, really. Films like The Matrix and Children of Men spring to mind as movies that'll be remembered, and TV wise we have Lost (like it or loathe it, it IS insanely popular), Battlestar Galactica, Farscape (great show), Firefly (what little of it there was), the triumphant return of Doctor Who (cheesey goodness, but a TV epic all the same) and of course the venerable Futurama (not just a pretty face, its arguably one of the best satires of the genre of recent times). Not sure I'd rank it as "the golden age", but then again I'm not sure I'd rank any other period as a "golden age" either. There has been too much good AND bad sci-fi spread over the decades to make any one period stand out. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:36:00 - [8] Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 24/02/2008 20:36:11 Originally by: Elliot Reid I was 10 when Star Wars came out and remember queuing up outside my local Odeon to go see it. You don't see queue's like that any more. My list is pretty much your list but I have to take exception with that Molly Ringwald film. It had Michael Ironside in it and as everyone knows, he's the greatest bad guy actor of all time so that makes the film good. Even though it was crap. I remember that film now... My TV broke the first time I watched it. Just following Michael Ironside links on IMDB I found him in a film called Eve
N'irrti Amarr Reach Fuileach	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:37:00 - [9] The Period around the 50s - 60s and the late 80s. Asimovs "I, Robot", Clarke's "Childhood's End", most stuff of Henlein (though Starship Troopers would count as Military SF today), Raumpatrouille Orion (the first german scifi show, Cliff Allister McLane > Kirk)
Nuala Reece Caldari Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Nuala Reece on 24/02/2008 21:55:10 Originally by: Roxanna Kell I want to watch more sci-fi like the new BSG or Firefly, were modren style stories of politics, crime, and drama gets implemented into a space dwelling generation. If that's what you like in your sci-fi then you need to find a copy of Blake's 7 and watch that. Bearing in mind it was a BBC show in the 70's so production values are stunningly old fashioned, the actors were more like they were on stage than telly and the effects (from todays point of view) were laughably poor. And the props too for that matter - I still remmeber watching them make teleporter bracelets on Blue Peter, and revealing how one of the guns actually was made out of a plastic shampoo bottle painted gold But the stories and characterization - brilliant (well, most of them). It's probably safe to say that without Blake's 7 there would never have been a Farscape, it was well ahead of its time in terms of using anti-heroes and it really has one of the all time best endings for a sci-fi series, ever
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.25 09:48:00 - [11] Sci-Fi was never really broadcast to any degree over here till just recently so I'd say today. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:04:00 - [12] For a good sci-fi, no aliens or have them not appear. If in space, obey newtons laws. Don't have charecters obsessed purely with the tech, it's a part of the background but a good story should be able to work in many situations. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Kirjava For a good sci-fi, no aliens or have them not appear. If in space, obey newtons laws. Don't have charecters obsessed purely with the tech, it's a part of the background but a good story should be able to work in many situations. I'd prefer if some of it was about the gear, if I want to see a chamber drama and I never do I'd go see one of those. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:17:00 - [14] They need an equilibrium - Star Trek went to far with the obsession with the tech imho. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Kirjava For a good sci-fi, no aliens or have them not appear. Or have them appear just in time to stop a Knife-tan in mid-air... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Kirjava on 25/02/2008 10:23:00 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kirjava For a good sci-fi, no aliens or have them not appear. Or have them appear just in time to stop a Knife-tan in mid-air... DS, thats a different matter entirely and you know it. Besides, the IDE itself never appeared and Ryoko and Nagato were avatars planted by the aliens. If Nagato had looked like something out of Alien then I doubt I would like her charecter as much. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Kirjava They need an equilibrium - Star Trek went to far with the obsession with the tech imho. Yes well if one side can just replicate everything in the known universe then... game over man, game over! Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kirjava For a good sci-fi, no aliens or have them not appear. Or have them appear just in time to stop a Knife-tan in mid-air... DS, thats a different matter entirely and you know it. Besides, the IDE itself never appeared and Ryoko and Nagato were avatars planted by the aliens. If Nagato had looked like something out of Alien then I doubt I would like her charecter as much. IMO there's absolutely nothing wrong with aliens in scifi; one simply has to make a decision as to what they will be. Three really good visions of aliens as I have seen are: 1. "We're looking down on them." Culture, vs aliens of the Culture, who the Culture looks down upon. 2. "We're looking at them in the eyes." Despite the fact that the aliens might be considerably more powerful than humans, they're still able to talk with us around the table at a bar. Larry Niven Draco Tavern novels. 3. "They're so far beyond us we can barely even imagine it." The Xeelee from the Baxter novels, or the IDE from the Haruhi novels. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cyne Spurr MacroIntel	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:52:00 - [19] I do like the dark pessimism that was prevalent in most of the 1950s era sci-fi films, stories filled with paranoia and dread regarding atomic weapons,RADAR,technology,disintigration of social morals. Stories like Quatermass, Day of the Triffids,The Tripods all were fantastic brain food when I was a child :D I do tend to agree though that there is no real "golden era", though frankly a lot of the recent sci-fi has been really terrible...People need to learn that Joss Wheddon is not an overly skilled story teller and he only has a small number of character types he uses in anything he does, and since Buffy he has not produced anything that can be considered origional either...And buffy was fairly derrivative too :P I guess one of the reasons I like anime so much is that its fairly common to have an episode that is nothing more dialogue and character development :O...That and I am a sucker for anything Cyber-punk. Cyberpunk is teh king of sci-fi :D
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:55:00 - [20] Tbh Aliens either have a mexican, black, or other foreign accent. Or they re just mute. Fifth element ahd some nidce aliens in it, gotta say. There was lots of variety, and the bad ass pirates remind me of Duke nukem days shooting pigs. So i don't mind aliens in a funny sorta sci-fi full of action, but Star Trek is too damn serious for me to take them seriously. Farscape was far better with aliens, least they were not humans with a little plastic thingy acros ther had. You start to wounder, what is it for?
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Cyne Spurr Cyberpunk is teh king of sci-fi :D Oh yes - Hail Alastor Reynolds! Though steam-punk is retty awesome aswell. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Witchking Minmatar British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:38:00 - [22] I don't think that we will ever have a "Golden Age" since for every really exceptional piece of sci-fi big screen action we get we have to put up with around 20-30 other mdeiocre and below titles. There's never been a run of great sci-fi movies, we just get the odd diamond in the sea-of-crap. wk.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 17:18:00 - [23] definitely the eighties. aliens, close encounters, ET, terminator, gremlins, ETCETERA. virtually every scifi movie you love from the very bottom of your heart was from the eighties. the special effects were special, the films were exciting, and the plots hadn't yet descended into touchy feely mediocrity we have today, and the wooden crap that came before it. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:49:00 - [24] late seventies - mid 90's star wars - alien - wrath of khan - ..... - st:tng - ds9-voy (only the last three seasons of each ) the new battlestar galactica is like the only candle still burning imho * *
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.25 21:09:00 - [25] Edited by: Malcanis on 25/02/2008 21:10:09 Movies, I'm not sure about. I'm not a big film-goer. But as regards SF books: the Golden Age is NOW. I'd say that it started around 1982 or so and it's as good right now as it's ever been. Banks, Reynolds, McLeod, McAuley, Williams, Wolfe, Sterling... the bar has never been set higher. Yes there are many classics that have been produced earlier, Asimov, Bester, Clarke... through to Zelazny, but the sheer availability and the quantity of new high-quality work has never been better. Unfortunately, at the moment Fantasy seems to be getting the backing required for the high production values required to make speculative fiction films work. I like a good fantasy novel as well as anyone (George R R Martin, Gene Wolfe, Mary Gentle and of course Terry Partchett are all full of win) but my real love is SF. The trouble is at the level required to get that kind of money, the backers can't resist ******* with the story, and with SF, the story is everything, and it's usually at a level that kind of person is unable or unwilling to understand. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/02/2008 19:51:56 I don't think there has ever been a golden age of Science Fiction films, unless one counts the 50s with films like The Day The Earth Stood Still. Science Fiction has always been the ugly duckling of the movie genres, and even after nearly a hundred years they still don't know how to make good science fiction films that make money--instead they stick to horrible B-movies like Jumper. In terms of science fiction as a whole, I think one "Golden Age" was definitely the period around the 50s-60s when there were very large numbers of science fiction magazines and many successful novels. The 80s seem to have had a rebound, with a huge number of my favorite novels being written around that time. Also, Star Wars is not science fiction; its space opera. Total agreement about Star Wars. You may be interested in the strong rumour that the greatest grandaddy Space Opera of them all is going to be made into a movie (or more likely a series: Linkage ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:38:00 - [27] I grew up on Star Trek: TNG. I didn't see their 'first showing' since i live in Europe, but i did catch it at their first showing over here. It was on the BBC i think.... After that it was mostly just Star Trek for me. That was my definition of sci-fi for most of the 90's... EVE History Wiki
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Shikari Also, Star Wars is not science fiction; its space opera. Just to pick up on this (I missed it before). While entirely true that Star Wars is a "space opera", I'd maintain that that is merely a sub-genre of science fiction. For a start, the vast majority of common average people call the vast majority of space operas sci-fi (ask someone what Battlestar Galactica or the Culture novels by Iain M Banks are, and most people will tell you they're sci-fi). Whilst you could argue its a fallacy of numbers, you could also argue that the definition of a linguistic "name" is just whatever people recognise as being referred to by it. More importantly, if you disregard space operas, that leaves this thread very bare. So far, the candidates that would be out would include: Battle Beyond the Stars, Blake's 7, BSG (old an new), Firefly, Farscape, Asimov's non-robot novels (such as Foundation), the Culture novels, most sci-fi animT (Macross, Gundam, Yamato and such), and quite large chunks of Star Trek (a lot of DS9, and most of the movies). ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:11:00 - [29] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/02/2008 19:11:47 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Dark Shikari Also, Star Wars is not science fiction; its space opera. Just to pick up on this (I missed it before). While entirely true that Star Wars is a "space opera", I'd maintain that that is merely a sub-genre of science fiction. For a start, the vast majority of common average people call the vast majority of space operas sci-fi (ask someone what Battlestar Galactica or the Culture novels by Iain M Banks are, and most people will tell you they're sci-fi). Whilst you could argue its a fallacy of numbers, you could also argue that the definition of a linguistic "name" is just whatever people recognise as being referred to by it. More importantly, if you disregard space operas, that leaves this thread very bare. So far, the candidates that would be out would include: Battle Beyond the Stars, Blake's 7, BSG (old an new), Firefly, Farscape, Asimov's non-robot novels (such as Foundation), the Culture novels, most sci-fi animT (Macross, Gundam, Yamato and such), and quite large chunks of Star Trek (a lot of DS9, and most of the movies). Its all a continuum. Space Opera, IMO, in particular covers things where the entire plot contains absolutely nothing that requires the "science fiction" genre; in other words, the entire plot would be 100% at home in a fantasy world, for example. As one progresses towards hard science fiction, this stops being true. (Space Opera) -> (Soft Scifi) -> (Hard Scifi) Star Wars would be a well-known Space Opera, while The Matrix would be a good example of soft science fiction. Book-wise, the Culture novels are definitely soft science fiction, not space opera--as are most things you stated in your post. They're almost all soft scifi of some sort. In terms of anime, (Gundam [though its a bit borderline] ) -> (Haruhi) -> (GITS:SAC) Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Star Wars would be a well-known Space Opera, while The Matrix would be a good example of soft science fiction. Book-wise, the Culture novels are definitely soft science fiction, not space opera--as are most things you stated in your post. They're almost all soft scifi of some sort. Meh, I'm not so sure. My personal definitions are thus: Hard SF= science is not just vital to the story, its the engine and focus of the story. Hard SF examples might be Rendezvous With Rama, or Asimov's robot stories. Soft SF= science is used as a method of making some other point, sometimes with lax scientific credentials. Examples might be much of Phil K **'s novels, or much of Heinlein's work. Space opera= science is as unimportant as it is in regular mainstream fiction, with the main tie to SF being that the story involves the far future, space ships, time travel or suchwhat. Much of what "science" there is in it is fantasy. Star Wars obviously qualifies, but I'll justify my calling the Culture series a space opera. Near enough 100% of the novels' contents is either character driven, focused on the sociology of the Culture and it's neighbours, or is focused on action. Much of the scientific content is "The Culture can do [X], because of fields and nanobots and stuff". That explanation is used indiscriminately to describe Minds, weapons, medical miracles, spaceships, and everything else. Its no insult to call the Culture novels space opera- they're some of the cleverest, most intelligent and beautifully written bits of fiction of the 20'th century. Its just that the intelligence and beauty is in things other than it's science. Or to use your own anaology- you could easily make the Culture a powerful magical fantasy kingdom, "fields and nanobots" magic, "Minds" standard fantasy ultra-creatures or demi gods, and "Orbitals" as magical emerald cities, and the plots need not be changed in the slightest. ------ Originally by:** Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.

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