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Mitsui Takatoshi
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Posted - 2008.02.27 04:49:00 -
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After good reviews from Battleclinic I figured I'd bring over my Chimera build for Fleet operations. By designation "Fleet Carrier" the carrier is assumed to provide a Fleet role not a support role (meaning damage and logistics not simply triage). As such the ship has the capability to spider tank but that is reduced (1remote/1transfer not the usual 2) also the Carrier relies less upon capacitor sustainability.
The carrier represents basic ideas for the general fitting, the // denotes where another module may be used better...the idea being that some of the modules may have too much a penalty to be worth using more than one or 2 at most, and so the third or second module has a possible alternative.
That being said, this set-up provides a carrier significant return on damage, because while other carriers are waiting 20 or 30 or 40 seconds for their drones to engage a distant target, and then waiting 10 seconds for them to change targets...yours waits half as long if not even less than that (with 3 rigs and a navigation computer).
[Chimera, Fleet Carrier Chimera]
Capacitor Power Relay II//Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II//Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Sensor Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Capacitor Recharge II
Capital Shield Booster I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Capital Shield Transporter II
Capital Energy Transfer Array II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Control Unit I//Drone Navigation I
Drone Control Unit I//
Drone Speed Augmentor II
Drone Speed Augmentor II//Drone Control Range Augmentor
Drone Speed Augmentor II//Drone Durability Rig
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Mitsui Takatoshi
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Posted - 2008.02.27 05:00:00 -
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Because with the sensor booster//amplifier you will have about a 165km target range it might be unnecessary to have a drone link augmentor - I don't know how much skills will extend that range...if it reaches about 180km then the augmentor is fine. Otherwise just add another drone Navigation to the ship and your drones will reach the enemy much much faster ;)
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.02.27 05:35:00 -
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i would post post some constructive comments on this post, but... as you will think that everyone is wrong anyways.. im not going to waste time writing long posts why this is wrong and why something is right. :P
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This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time.
PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 05:49:00 -
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1) Cap is life. Anything other than SMC or CCC rigs is wrong.
2) Drone link augmentor is a waste on a ship with both remote fighters and a bonus to control range.
3) You don't have a gang mod fitted. Shield resist mod + mindlink or do not undock the ship.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:00:00 -
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Also, the Drone Navigation Computer I is a midslot item.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:02:00 -
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lets add that the fit doesnt fit CPU wise
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This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time.
PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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Mitsui Takatoshi
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:06:00 -
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OH it is...but the Drone nav was an after thought anyway...it was not in the original build which is on Battleclinic.
And as far as I'm concerned you're mostly tools anyway who couldn't innovate your *******s..."cap is life" the rep runs on this well beyond 16 minutes which is more than what your piece of crap probably runs.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:09:00 -
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Its a terrible setup,
1) it does not fit - get EFT or something.
2) your tank is weak
3) you undervalue your lowslots and overvalue your high slots
Think 1) cap is life, 2) tank is life, 3) targeting range is not that important, 4) Carrier = Logistic ship
This looks more like a low-sec ganker then a proper fleet setup.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 27/02/2008 06:30:51
 Originally by: Mitsui Takatoshi
"cap is life" the rep runs on this well beyond 16 minutes which is more than what your piece of crap probably runs.
No it does not. With all modules active, your cap lasts 2 minutes 41 seconds.
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And it does fit CPU wise, actually, but whatever hahah.
No it does not. You are 3 CPU over the limit, using the lowest CPU combination of your "optional" modules. With the drone rigs fitted (and level V in the drone rigging skill, something you will not have), you are 150 CPU over.
Conclusion: ebay is bad.
Originally by: Susa Ou
3) targeting range is not that important.
This is not true. You want sensor boosters to counter damps, so your carrier isn't turned into a billion ISK paperweight by a 5 million ISK ewar cruiser.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 27/02/2008 06:37:23
Originally by: Mitsui Takatoshi
Edited by: Mitsui Takatoshi on 27/02/2008 06:06:48
OH it is...but the Drone nav was an after thought anyway...it was not in the original build which is on Battleclinic.
And as far as I'm concerned you're mostly tools anyway who couldn't innovate your *******s..."cap is life" the rep runs on this well beyond 16 minutes which is more than what your piece of crap probably runs.
And it does fit CPU wise, actually, but whatever hahah.
it doesnt fit... the rigs take away 10% of your cpu allso, each
your fit whit no rigs takes 1034,25 cpu to fit (thats asumening you have all fitting skills lvl 5.. what you really should have.
Chimera has 1031,25 cpu maxed fitting skills.... see the problem here allready ?
now you fit 3 t2 drone speed rigs.... take takes away CPU from your ship... you have left 884,17 cpu to fit.
this fit WILL NOT FIT.
as for cap.... if you arent running remote reps... the setup will last about 10 minz.. but will die to due to weak tank in a fleet anyways. whit rep and transfers going.... less than 3 minz... then you will die... as your cap recharge is too small to compensate.
and as for innovation... dont innovate when you havent done fleet combat in your life in a cap ship... you have no idea what is needed and what is good or bad. this setup is bad as if you cant recharge cap fast enough you are putting your entire damn fleet in danger.
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This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time.
PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2008.02.27 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Susa Ou
3) targeting range is not that important.
This is not true. You want sensor boosters to counter damps, so your carrier isn't turned into a billion ISK paperweight by a 5 million ISK ewar cruiser.
oh I agree - but not THAT important as to give up lows and mids for sensor mods. . . is more what I meant.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Susa Ou
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Susa Ou
3) targeting range is not that important.
This is not true. You want sensor boosters to counter damps, so your carrier isn't turned into a billion ISK paperweight by a 5 million ISK ewar cruiser.
oh I agree - but not THAT important as to give up lows and mids for sensor mods. . . is more what I meant.
Actually it really is. With 2x sensor booster IIs on a Chimera, 3x damps (after that, the stacking penalty makes more of them pointless) takes you down to 45km range. Without the sensor boosters, you're under 20km range, and pretty much out of the fight.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.02.27 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Erotic Irony on 27/02/2008 07:14:54
someone sticky this
thanatos takes off
edit this sounds like a malka badia alt
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scramblekid
Gallente
SAS Elite Ops
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 09:02:00 -
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hehe, I have seen so many carriers die with comedy fits such as this, Even though I do not fly one, I fly with and around them alot, and I have to agree with the tank + cap = life.
+ http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=714044
I loled 
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Lelulie
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.27 10:40:00 -
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Rofl, looks like someone has ebay'd and decided because they can afford a Chimera they instantly know everything about it in combat and more than all of you on the forums because they have written so. But wait, guyz guyz I just asked how Fighters actually work but I'm an expert Chimera pilot hence I ask a question in Ships and Modules but really I don't need your opinions because they are all wrong and I'm a Chimera Expert, ok. Guyz, GUYZ!
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Serkis
Caldari
The Funkalistic
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:37:00 -
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I think its a fantastic setup. Why dont you go and try it on a 0,0 entry gate somewhere? Post here what system before you start camping 
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Waxau
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.27 11:40:00 -
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Please - Fly the ship before posting setups. Just saw your 'nano' carrier setup...the abreviation 'lol' doesnt quite encaptulate the laughter i am partaking in currently.
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Misinformed soldier
Dark Destiny Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 12:14:00 -
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Stick some overdrives in the lows to complete the setup.
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Recalesence
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Posted - 2008.02.27 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Recalesence on 27/02/2008 12:24:02
If you've ever been to a certain anon imageboard this would be regaurded as a b/tard strolling into /k/ and laying down some bait, this guy just as well should be barred from the forums for doing nothing more then patting himself on the back after ****ing out some fiction.
thusly getting everyone to rabble rabble.
anyone posting beyond this post is a fool, unless of course its a Lock :)
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Deja Nay
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.27 12:34:00 -
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Here, i'll end you're pain young warrior.
High:
1 Remote armor (capital)
1 Shield transfer (capital)
2 smartbombs (large)
1 Neut (large)
Mids:
Sensor Booster
1 Capital shield booster
2 Boost amps
2 Invulvs
1 EM
Lows:
2 PDU
1 PDU OR CPR
1 CPR
Rigs:
3 CCCs
Simple, fits and actually does it's job, not some revolutionary useless sniper fit.
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