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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.02.28 04:39:00 -
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POS Ice refining question. I have a POS with the regular refinery (35% yield). When we refine, say, Krystallos, perfect Liquid Ozone is 10,000 for 40 cubes. When a corpmate refines, he gets 9,900 or 99% yield. When I do it I get 8,909 units or 89% yield.
I have looked online and have been unable to find the equation to figure out yield for ice. I have the stuff for regular ore. Anyone know what the equation is or where I should look?
What skills do I need to get 100% here? We have heard that Ice Processing doesn't do anything at a POS refinery. Is this true?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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cloudmaster13
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Posted - 2008.02.28 05:35:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=557482
Hrm "look at the stick-ied topics in the starbase forums" it says useful links
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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:21:00 -
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I appreciate the info. I did look at those links, but none of them really answer my question. They do the calculation for me. I want to know what the calculation actually is.
Anyone know what it is?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.29 06:49:00 -
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http://eve.coldfront.net/refine/ice
Base equipment efficiency is 50% for that array when it comes to ice. You'll get perfect refining at 5/5/1.
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.02.29 11:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Verite Rendition
http://eve.coldfront.net/refine/ice
Base equipment efficiency is 50% for that array when it comes to ice. You'll get perfect refining at 5/5/1.
Plus, you don't have to worry about losing any minerals based on standings! 
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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.03.01 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
http://eve.coldfront.net/refine/ice
Base equipment efficiency is 50% for that array when it comes to ice. You'll get perfect refining at 5/5/1.
Okay, so a few things.
When you say I need skills of 5/5/1, do you mean Refining / Refinery Efficiency / Ice Processing ??
Also, when I go to the website you gave me, it does not let me enter any other skills other than Refining and Refinery Efficiency.
Third, when I put in 50% for the Station Equipment, the calculator does not give me back the actual yield that I got out of the refinery. It's close, but not exact.
Lastly, what's the calculation to figure out my yield?
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Casca Brutali
When you say I need skills of 5/5/1, do you mean Refining / Refinery Efficiency / Ice Processing ??
Yes, that's exactly right.
If you're having trouble with that refining page, there's a refining spreadsheet in the link in my signature that should be able to help you out.
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Casca Volaire
Gallente
Galactic Extensive Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.02 02:23:00 -
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Thanks for the info.
Your spreadsheet (cool by the way) shows the same results that I'm seeing elsewhere.
The calcs for Ice Mining seem to be incorrect or out-of-date.
Here is what I have from my POS. I'm using a Refinery Array (the small one). I have done the following in the game:
Character Skills:
Refining = 5
Refinery Efficiency = 2
Ice Processing = 0
Refinery Efficiency is set to 50% (this is based on something someone told me, even though the stated efficiency on the refinery is 35%. But I'm told it's different between Ore and Ice.)
When I actual refine the following, I received the following:
Refined:
40 cubes of Krystallos
Results:
Heavy Water: 3,563
Liquid Ozone: 8,909
Strontium: 3,563
Refined:
40 cubes of Thick Blue Ice
Results:
Heavy Water: 2,672
Liquid Ozone: 1,425
Strontium: 35
Oxygen Isotopes: 12,473
Your spreadsheet says my yield should be:
Refined: 40 cubes of Krystallos
Results:
Heavy Water 3,782
Liquid Ozone 9,455
Strontium Clathrates 3,782
Refined: 40 cubes of Thick Blue Ice
Results:
Heavy Water 2,836
Liquid Ozone 1,513
Strontium Clathrates 38
Oxygen Isotopes 13,237
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.02 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 02/03/2008 02:51:12
75%
*1.1 refining V
*1.2 ref.eff. V
=99%
ice processing I for perfection
the 35% that's written there in the small array does not apply to ice.
and it's a cap: you get no more than 35% from your ore/loot
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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Casca Brutali on 02/03/2008 04:22:22
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 02/03/2008 02:51:12
75%
*1.1 refining V
*1.2 ref.eff. V
=99%
ice processing I for perfection
the 35% that's written there in the small array does not apply to ice.
and it's a cap: you get no more than 35% from your ore/loot
So, I'm trying to understand what the formula is.
Assuming that your numbers are correct, how does it work? If my Refinery Efficency is 2, what is the calc? If my Refining is 4 what is the calc? If it's 1 what's the calc? That's what I really want to know.
Also, how does Ice Processing fit in? Does it just stack as an additional % that puts you from 99 to 100?
What I'm looking for is the FORMULA that I can plug values into to calc this. I'm looking for something that says [% Refinery] * [Refining Skill] * [Refinery Efficiency Skill] / [whatever] = Ice Refining Amount
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 02/03/2008 04:56:30
[Station Equipment] + 0.375x(1+[Refining Skill]x0.02)x(1+[Refinery Efficiency Skill]x0.04)x(1+[Ore Processing Skill]x0.05)
The result of the formula is the percentage you'll get back, .375 is the so-called refining constant. Station Equipment in your case is 50%.
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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.03.02 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 02/03/2008 04:56:30
[Station Equipment] + 0.375x(1+[Refining Skill]x0.02)x(1+[Refinery Efficiency Skill]x0.04)x(1+[Ore Processing Skill]x0.05)
The result of the formula is the percentage you'll get back, .375 is the so-called refining constant. Station Equipment in your case is 50%.
Either I'm doing something wrong, or the math doesn't add up.
Using your formula, I get 94.55%. Reality based on the numbers I listed earlier is 89% .
Specifically, this is the formula you gave with my numbers plugged in:
0.5 + 0.375 * (1 + 5 * 0.02) * (1 + 2 * 0.04) * * (1 + 0 * 0.05) = 0.9455
However, when you look at what I have refined, you will see that for Kyrstallos, I'm getting 8,909 of Liquid Ozone out of 10,000 for perfect, giving me a % of 0.8909.
Am I doing something incorrect?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.02 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Casca Brutali
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 02/03/2008 04:56:30
[Station Equipment] + 0.375x(1+[Refining Skill]x0.02)x(1+[Refinery Efficiency Skill]x0.04)x(1+[Ore Processing Skill]x0.05)
The result of the formula is the percentage you'll get back, .375 is the so-called refining constant. Station Equipment in your case is 50%.
Either I'm doing something wrong, or the math doesn't add up.
Using your formula, I get 94.55%. Reality based on the numbers I listed earlier is 89% .
Specifically, this is the formula you gave with my numbers plugged in:
0.5 + 0.375 * (1 + 5 * 0.02) * (1 + 2 * 0.04) * * (1 + 0 * 0.05) = 0.9455
However, when you look at what I have refined, you will see that for Kyrstallos, I'm getting 8,909 of Liquid Ozone out of 10,000 for perfect, giving me a % of 0.8909.
Am I doing something incorrect?
I'm not sure what could be incorrect. That is the correct formula.
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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.03.02 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Casca Brutali on 02/03/2008 08:43:28
Originally by: Verite Rendition
I'm not sure what could be incorrect. That is the correct formula.
The correct formula from where?
I'm saying that the numbers don't add up with what I'm seeing when I actually refine ice. Is there something else to this? Did something change?
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Casca Volaire
Gallente
Galactic Extensive Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:03:00 -
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I'm still hunting for this calculation.
Can anyone from CCP help me out?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 09/03/2008 03:20:05
uhmm ok then iow:
75%
*(1 + 0.02*refining.lvl)
*(1 + 0.04*refining.efficiency.lvl)
*(1 + 0.05*ice.processing.lvl)
however, you need the previous skills @ V -.-
for just refining V, thats 82.5%
for refining efficiency V on top of that, it's 99%
-> ice processing I for perfection (would be 103.95%)
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the 35% there that says "refining yield multiplier" seems to be a cap: you get no more than 35% of the maximum out of your ore/loot.
this cap has been switched off for ice.
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Casca Brutali
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:19:00 -
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Thank you.
However, the calculation you present is VERY close, but is still not 100% correct.
I'm getting 8909 Liquid Ozone out of Kyrstallos when I refine 40 cubes. With 5/2/0, according to your formula I should get .8910 yield. But I'm only getting .8909. This means that the amounts for everything accross the board are off by 1 unit.
Is this a rounding thing? I've tried different rounding scenarios, but I still get the same answer.
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Casca Brutali
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.16 07:15:00 -
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Anyone have an idea what the correct / NEW calculation is for this?
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