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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:08:00 -
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So I am looking to do a 100% pirating career in EvE, and I am wondering how possible that is as I see many "pirates" talk about grinding back up sec status after making a few low sec kills. I understand I'll be shut out of empire, but there are the NPC regions (owned by Angel Cartel and such) in 0.0 space. The question is, if I feel like doing some missions for basic income or using a market (and no help/time to pirate fully), is there enough of one in these regions for me to remain self-sufficient without laundering resources with an alt. Also, in that same vein, do I stand a chance if I pack up my frigate and 850k sp and head to the sanctuary now? ("accepting the angel's 'offer' in an RP sense).
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:28:00 -
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0.0 is harsh place and living there alone will be a huge challenge. Mostly the bubble camps will be a problem if you don't have any intel and no alts to scout for you.
Also the markets aren't probably as well stocked as you'd hope, but most of time you should find enough ships and mods to keep you going.
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Jameroz
0.0 is harsh place and living there alone will be a huge challenge. Mostly the bubble camps will be a problem if you don't have any intel and no alts to scout for you.
Also the markets aren't probably as well stocked as you'd hope, but most of time you should find enough ships and mods to keep you going.
Thanks for the input, I would like a challenge, but then again I should also immediately seek out a pirate corp. I expect to run into quite a few bubbles on the way and probably die, but my plan is to be able to maintain a -10 sec status without feeling like I need to grind up (or sell ETCS) to find some income in the case of a cold streak, which I'm sure will happen since I am quite reckless. My concern is if I lock myself out of Empire space, I will still need a station at which to dock and repair and whatever else.
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.28 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chirruper
Thanks for the input, I would like a challenge, but then again I should also immediately seek out a pirate corp. I expect to run into quite a few bubbles on the way and probably die, but my plan is to be able to maintain a -10 sec status without feeling like I need to grind up (or sell ETCS) to find some income in the case of a cold streak, which I'm sure will happen since I am quite reckless. My concern is if I lock myself out of Empire space, I will still need a station at which to dock and repair and whatever else.
There are station in low sec (0.4 - 0.1) and all pirates are welcome to those systems. Only 0.5 and up is where you get shot at by NPCs for just being a pirate. Now being pirate means anyone can attack you at any time without any consequences.
You can make cash by shooting NPCs in low sec space if you fail to get enough income by just pirating.
Also if you decide to join a corp they'll be able to help you quite a bit. If you want to go solo then you might think about getting some manufacturing skills to be able to supply yourself to some extent.
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.02.28 14:49:00 -
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Cool thank you. Will pack up my bags and head to the promised land as soon as the learning skills finish. I don't care if I nickel and dime and splode 5,000 times a day, Empire is boring! 
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.02.28 16:41:00 -
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Actually I'm hoping someone can answer up a follow-up question... since I'm not entirely comfortable leaving secure space immediately (noticed pirate corps have SP requirement), is there a good corp to gain standing with in high sec that wont hurt my blackmarket standing aspirations?
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Sethra Levode
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:12:00 -
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Post in the Alliance recruitming forum and state that you are looking for assistance with gettin into pirating and see if you get any takers. A couple of the big pirtae corps had some recruitment threads recently and were actually taking in pilots that they interviewd and deemed ready to take up the pirating lifestyle.
Happy Hunting, 
Sethra
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.28 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chirruper
I expect to run into quite a few bubbles on the way and probably die, but my plan is to be able to maintain a -10 sec status without feeling like I need to grind up (or sell ETCS) to find some income in the case of a cold streak, which I'm sure will happen since I am quite reckless.
The ironic thing here is if you only pirate in 0.0 and do the occasional ratting streak there then you'll never get a -10 sec status, or even go negative at all. Killing other players in 0.0 doesn't result in sec status loss, but killing rats WILL result in sec status gains (more pronounced in 0.0 then in lowsec or highsec as well).
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Arac Nagul
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Chirruper
Actually I'm hoping someone can answer up a follow-up question... since I'm not entirely comfortable leaving secure space immediately (noticed pirate corps have SP requirement), is there a good corp to gain standing with in high sec that wont hurt my blackmarket standing aspirations?
Most of the pirate faction agents are based in very low sec - for obvious reasons. There are a few in high sec though.
Thukker Mix has agents in Minmatar high sec and they have great standings with a number of pirate factions. On their missions you'll mostly be killing Gallente Federation and Concord DED (and the odd Sansha and Gistii), so it's good practice :) Thukker Tribe (the parent faction for Thukker Mix) also has their own system in 0.0 with around 60 stations, so good standing there can't hurt.
If you're one of the less fabulous races then there are probably other npc corps with criminal connections :)
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 11/03/2008 04:41:01
Originally by: Arac Nagul
Most of the pirate faction agents are based in very low sec - for obvious reasons. There are a few in high sec though.
Thukker Mix has agents in Minmatar high sec and they have great standings with a number of pirate factions. On their missions you'll mostly be killing Gallente Federation and Concord DED (and the odd Sansha and Gistii), so it's good practice :) Thukker Tribe (the parent faction for Thukker Mix) also has their own system in 0.0 with around 60 stations, so good standing there can't hurt.
If you're one of the less fabulous races then there are probably other npc corps with criminal connections :)
This.
But I have some other advice for you. Don't go pirate until you can solo 0.0 spawns. At the absolute least, don't go pirate until you can solo 0.1 BCs. This is because if the pirate thing doesn't work out, and you've got -5 status or below, you can't get back to any Empire system, and if you can't kill Low Sec/0.0 rats to raise your status again then you're kinda screwed.
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Avalon Solaris
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:48:00 -
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You can't just go live in low sec if you're a new char. There won't be a single thing there you'll be able to kill.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Solaris
You can't just go live in low sec if you're a new char. There won't be a single thing there you'll be able to kill.
well you can kill NPC rats, do missions, etc...but I agree you wont be able to kill other players immediately. Mostly you need
a) some type of income to finance losses. Missions/ratting/anomalies work well for this,
b) the skills, obviously. You wont kill anything without the skills to scram them 
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Avalon Solaris
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Posted - 2008.03.11 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Avalon Solaris on 11/03/2008 05:12:39
I've gone into 0.4 belts as a noob on both frigs and destroyers and got wrecked. Doubt he'll do much better. Just about the only feasible job is lvl 1 missions, and I don't think there's many lvl 1 agents in 0.4
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.11 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Originally by: Avalon Solaris
You can't just go live in low sec if you're a new char. There won't be a single thing there you'll be able to kill.
well you can kill NPC rats, do missions, etc...but I agree you wont be able to kill other players immediately.
As a newbie I don't think anybody can do either of those things right off the bat. Maybe if they're in the really crappy 0.0 regions where there are useless spawns, but any spawn with a BS or BC will be too tough for them in a T1 frig with T1 gear.
Sure, I might be able to do it, but I've got millions and millions of SPs in combat, and it would take forever with that stuff.
Once you can use a cruiser adequately, or an AF, then you can do whatever you want in 0.0 if you have patience.
Just starting out though? Nope, you're dead meat.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.11 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 11/03/2008 05:58:32
I'm not talking about 0.0.
I am referring to lowsec, more specifically .4 or .3
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I've gone into 0.4 belts as a noob on both frigs and destroyers and got wrecked. Doubt he'll do much better. Just about the only feasible job is lvl 1 missions, and I don't think there's many lvl 1 agents in 0.4
I have jack **** for combat skills and my Rifter can take on all .4/.3 belt rats I've found. Of course he'd need a good fitting ,though...that's what the forums are for 
Besides, he can still do level 1 missions-level 1 agents -do- exist in lowsec.
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Ka Jolo
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Solaris
You can't just go live in low sec if you're a new char. There won't be a single thing there you'll be able to kill.
You can--and many do--go live in lowsec as a complete noob. The trick is to engage other noobs and avoid engagements with those higher on the food chain.
This is possible because you'll be flying frigates; not only are they cheap, but frigates are fast and agile; you won't get caught at most gate camps, and you're quick to warp out of danger. As a pirate, your PvP-mindset will also give you an edge over other noobs who are there to rat or mine; I promise you that in the vast majority of your engagements against noobie ratters and miners, you will take little to no damage at all.
Most lowsec pirates have access to highsec markets, whether through a corp or an alt. Just roll up an alt for his hauling abilities, and don't even bother to put many skillpoints into him. By the time you need to be transporting battlecruisers or battleships into lowsec, you should have no problem finding yourself in a pirate corp with hauling services.
Your Money or Your Life!
The journal of a space pirate
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Gartel Reiman
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:37:00 -
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If we're talking about the feasibility of a rookie going to low-sec, why on earth has nobody brought up Ard UnjiiGo's more-or-less definitive commentary on this issue:
A Rookie's Reflections After 15 days in Low-Sec
The conclusion is that yes, it is definitely possible to not just survive but thrive in low-sec as a new player. It does, however, require the right mindset and attitude. In many, many areas of EVE (especially PvP) player knowledge and skill is worth a lot more than character skill. You can see both at work in Ard's OP (and there is a whole raft in interesting advice and opinions in the replies).
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