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HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 07:58:00 - [271] sirmolle should read the qy6 station name, and contemplate his position and importance in bob
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:35:00 - [272] Originally by: Martika Ray Originally by: rValdez5987 im a main..... I'm a reallife girl Maybe ppl should read Greek history about the origins of women and why Zeus created them.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:55:00 - [273] Originally by: marakor Define important pls and ingame power while your at it as id love to hear your thoughts on those little gems. Nice try, but your game is not interesting. I enjoy reading your laughable comedy posts, but I'm not degrading to get into a silly argumentative fight on these forums, especially with you. I have better use of my time
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 10:01:00 - [274] Edited by: marakor on 03/03/2008 10:02:46 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: marakor Define important pls and ingame power while your at it as id love to hear your thoughts on those little gems. Nice try, but your game is not interesting enough for me to reply too................erm i er..............ooops I'm not degrading to get into a silly argumentative fight on these forums..........erm......ooopps again, especially with you. I have better use of my time fxt And yet arguing is exactly what your spending time doing. If you do not have the ability to answer my question then just say so as your attempt to avoid it is rather transparent and weak.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 11:57:00 - [275] Originally by: marakor And yet arguing is exactly what your spending time doing. If you do not have the ability to answer my question then just say so as your attempt to avoid it is rather transparent and weak. I'm just throwing logs on the fire, dude, you're not that special Besides, I'm looking for another toy, Navigator will pay us a visit soon
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 12:14:00 - [276] Originally by: marakor fxt And yet arguing is exactly what your spending time doing. If you do not have the ability to answer my question then just say so as your attempt to avoid it is rather transparent and weak. I know you are but what am I?
Malaphar Amarr W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 12:41:00 - [277] Let's just take a look at some numbers : -this so-called "invasion" or "re-invasion" of QY6 by BoB basically began last Thursday , on 28th of February. -since then , an aggregated status of K/D for both sides would look like this : BoB : killed 3 Capitals and 83 Battleships Coalition : killed 1 Capital and 105 Battleships As the attacking force , we could say BoB's assault can be resumed as follows : 83 BS killed / 105 BS lost 3 Caps killed / 1 Cap lost From the ISK value point of view , I think it's obvious BoB it's the winner! From the territory ownership point of view , the Coalition won by managing to keep the QY6 system! But , if we are to make a more thorough analysis , we get : - in all MAJOR fleet battles , BoB had NO CAPITAL support while fighting versus at least 25-30 Coalition Capitals. - in most of the fleet battles , BoB was outnumbered. - still BoB managed to destroy some IAC control towers and to put in reinforced some other Coalition towers. Now if we take everything into consideration , I would say BoB did an excellent job! Plus , I honestly do not think this was BoB's main attempt to retake QY6.I would say this was a recon-type tryout , a fake invasion just to find out exactly which are the forces they will confront once the real invasion occurs and what is the mobility of the Coalition players once attacked! This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! Quote: Meet the best , die like the rest!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.03.03 12:50:00 - [278] Originally by: Malaphar This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! Think you missed a few things: - There was no cynojammer in the system, so BoB had ample opportunity to use caps if they wanted to. Not sure why they didn't, but its obvious that fighting an enemy in a cynojammed system where he can use caps and you can't is a lot more difficult than fighting in a system where both can use caps. Even if you don't directly deploy yours, the mere threat of a capital hotdrop will also limit your enemy in his use of capitals. - BoB lost 5 large POS at least, which need to be added to the cost. - Perhaps more importantly, BoB lost about a week time. Time that is important because the clock towards Sov 3 is ticking for QY6, after which taking it becomes a lot more difficult. Has BoB ever taken a Sov 3/4 system without the help of MC?
Malaphar Amarr W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 12:58:00 - [279] Originally by: Malachon Draco Think you missed a few things: - There was no cynojammer in the system, so BoB had ample opportunity to use caps if they wanted to. Not sure why they didn't, but its obvious that fighting an enemy in a cynojammed system where he can use caps and you can't is a lot more difficult than fighting in a system where both can use caps. Even if you don't directly deploy yours, the mere threat of a capital hotdrop will also limit your enemy in his use of capitals. - BoB lost 5 large POS at least, which need to be added to the cost. - Perhaps more importantly, BoB lost about a week time. Time that is important because the clock towards Sov 3 is ticking for QY6, after which taking it becomes a lot more difficult. Has BoB ever taken a Sov 3/4 system without the help of MC? Yes , you are right in almost everything you say. But , the BoB POS losts are somehow covered by the POSes they destroyed. And , exactly because QY6 is/was NOT cyno-jammed and yet BoB didn't bring Caps in made me think/consider this "invasion" was NOT the main one but more of a recon-type mission. Of course , only time will tell exactly if this was indeed their intention.And , like you said , time is growing extremly short so we'll know pretty soon! I could not answer your last question as I don't have any knowledge in that regard! Thank you for a very nice and documented answer! Props to you! Quote: Meet the best , die like the rest!
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.03 13:18:00 - [280] Originally by: Malaphar Originally by: Malachon Draco Think you missed a few things: - There was no cynojammer in the system, so BoB had ample opportunity to use caps if they wanted to. Not sure why they didn't, but its obvious that fighting an enemy in a cynojammed system where he can use caps and you can't is a lot more difficult than fighting in a system where both can use caps. Even if you don't directly deploy yours, the mere threat of a capital hotdrop will also limit your enemy in his use of capitals. - BoB lost 5 large POS at least, which need to be added to the cost. - Perhaps more importantly, BoB lost about a week time. Time that is important because the clock towards Sov 3 is ticking for QY6, after which taking it becomes a lot more difficult. Has BoB ever taken a Sov 3/4 system without the help of MC? Yes , you are right in almost everything you say. But , the BoB POS losts are somehow covered by the POSes they destroyed. And , exactly because QY6 is/was NOT cyno-jammed and yet BoB didn't bring Caps in made me think/consider this "invasion" was NOT the main one but more of a recon-type mission. Of course , only time will tell exactly if this was indeed their intention.And , like you said , time is growing extremly short so we'll know pretty soon! I could not answer your last question as I don't have any knowledge in that regard! Thank you for a very nice and documented answer! Props to you! Afaik, the five POS Bob destroyed to take the moons were small ones. They hardly compare with a large deathstar. Bob did use caps, tough in small numbers. I recall espescially 3 Nyxes that got very close of getting popped. Imho, Bob was simply unwilling to jump capitals in a system already lagged by 500+ peeps, and the coalition potentially having at least as many capitals waiting to pounce. Overall, that's not a crushing victory for the coalition, just a minor one, but if Bob can't take a system with all the conditions favoring them (the coalition was standing down the tempo, preparing for the next offensive, no cyno-jammer yet, relative element of surprise, etc...), what hope do they have to take back all the territory lost? ------------------------------------------
Cletus Graeme Caldari Bladerunners Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:29:00 - [281] Originally by: Shadowsword Btw, can someone link me the scraphead challenge forum? For some reason a google search doesn't point to it. OFF TOPIC: Try searching for "Scrapheap Challenge" instead :D
Wylker Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:30:00 - [282] Originally by: HydroSan sirmolle should read the qy6 station name, and contemplate his position and importance in bob If you have to point it out, it's probably not funny.
TheSard Scalding Pie Services GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:37:00 - [283] Originally by: Malaphar Let's just take a look at some numbers : -this so-called "invasion" or "re-invasion" of QY6 by BoB basically began last Thursday , on 28th of February. -since then , an aggregated status of K/D for both sides would look like this : BoB : killed 3 Capitals and 83 Battleships Coalition : killed 1 Capital and 105 Battleships As the attacking force , we could say BoB's assault can be resumed as follows : 83 BS killed / 105 BS lost 3 Caps killed / 1 Cap lost From the ISK value point of view , I think it's obvious BoB it's the winner! From the territory ownership point of view , the Coalition won by managing to keep the QY6 system! But , if we are to make a more thorough analysis , we get : - in all MAJOR fleet battles , BoB had NO CAPITAL support while fighting versus at least 25-30 Coalition Capitals. - in most of the fleet battles , BoB was outnumbered. - still BoB managed to destroy some IAC control towers and to put in reinforced some other Coalition towers. Now if we take everything into consideration , I would say BoB did an excellent job! Plus , I honestly do not think this was BoB's main attempt to retake QY6.I would say this was a recon-type tryout , a fake invasion just to find out exactly which are the forces they will confront once the real invasion occurs and what is the mobility of the Coalition players once attacked! This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! Malaphar you are either one of the worst posters I have ever seen or a trolling genius.
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:39:00 - [284] Originally by: TheSard Malaphar you are either one of the worst posters I have ever seen or a trolling genius. I'm going with the first one.
Darken Rhall Amarr Rift.	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:39:00 - [285] Originally by: Malaphar Let's just take a look at some numbers : -this so-called "invasion" or "re-invasion" of QY6 by BoB basically began last Thursday , on 28th of February. -since then , an aggregated status of K/D for both sides would look like this : BoB : killed 3 Capitals and 83 Battleships Coalition : killed 1 Capital and 105 Battleships As the attacking force , we could say BoB's assault can be resumed as follows : 83 BS killed / 105 BS lost 3 Caps killed / 1 Cap lost From the ISK value point of view , I think it's obvious BoB it's the winner! From the territory ownership point of view , the Coalition won by managing to keep the QY6 system! But , if we are to make a more thorough analysis , we get : - in all MAJOR fleet battles , BoB had NO CAPITAL support while fighting versus at least 25-30 Coalition Capitals. - in most of the fleet battles , BoB was outnumbered. - still BoB managed to destroy some IAC control towers and to put in reinforced some other Coalition towers. Now if we take everything into consideration , I would say BoB did an excellent job! Plus , I honestly do not think this was BoB's main attempt to retake QY6.I would say this was a recon-type tryout , a fake invasion just to find out exactly which are the forces they will confront once the real invasion occurs and what is the mobility of the Coalition players once attacked! This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! WTF are you smoking, seriously?
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:44:00 - [286] Originally by: Yorda Originally by: TheSard Malaphar you are either one of the worst posters I have ever seen or a trolling genius. I'm going with the first one.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:07:00 - [287] Originally by: Darken Rhall Originally by: Malaphar Let's just take a look at some numbers : -this so-called "invasion" or "re-invasion" of QY6 by BoB basically began last Thursday , on 28th of February. -since then , an aggregated status of K/D for both sides would look like this : BoB : killed 3 Capitals and 83 Battleships Coalition : killed 1 Capital and 105 Battleships As the attacking force , we could say BoB's assault can be resumed as follows : 83 BS killed / 105 BS lost 3 Caps killed / 1 Cap lost From the ISK value point of view , I think it's obvious BoB it's the winner! From the territory ownership point of view , the Coalition won by managing to keep the QY6 system! But , if we are to make a more thorough analysis , we get : - in all MAJOR fleet battles , BoB had NO CAPITAL support while fighting versus at least 25-30 Coalition Capitals. - in most of the fleet battles , BoB was outnumbered. - still BoB managed to destroy some IAC control towers and to put in reinforced some other Coalition towers. Now if we take everything into consideration , I would say BoB did an excellent job! Plus , I honestly do not think this was BoB's main attempt to retake QY6.I would say this was a recon-type tryout , a fake invasion just to find out exactly which are the forces they will confront once the real invasion occurs and what is the mobility of the Coalition players once attacked! This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! WTF are you smoking, seriously? You may disagree with his conclusion (surprise surprise) but do you have any thing that disproves his facts and figures.
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:29:00 - [288] Edited by: Dangerously Cheesey on 03/03/2008 17:35:14 Originally by: marakor Originally by: Darken Rhall Originally by: Malaphar Let's just take a look at some numbers : -this so-called "invasion" or "re-invasion" of QY6 by BoB basically began last Thursday , on 28th of February. -since then , an aggregated status of K/D for both sides would look like this : BoB : killed 3 Capitals and 83 Battleships Coalition : killed 1 Capital and 105 Battleships As the attacking force , we could say BoB's assault can be resumed as follows : 83 BS killed / 105 BS lost 3 Caps killed / 1 Cap lost From the ISK value point of view , I think it's obvious BoB it's the winner! From the territory ownership point of view , the Coalition won by managing to keep the QY6 system! But , if we are to make a more thorough analysis , we get : - in all MAJOR fleet battles , BoB had NO CAPITAL support while fighting versus at least 25-30 Coalition Capitals. - in most of the fleet battles , BoB was outnumbered. - still BoB managed to destroy some IAC control towers and to put in reinforced some other Coalition towers. Now if we take everything into consideration , I would say BoB did an excellent job! Plus , I honestly do not think this was BoB's main attempt to retake QY6.I would say this was a recon-type tryout , a fake invasion just to find out exactly which are the forces they will confront once the real invasion occurs and what is the mobility of the Coalition players once attacked! This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! WTF are you smoking, seriously? You may disagree with his conclusion (surprise surprise) but do you have any thing that disproves his facts and figures. Hows this. BoB was afraid to use caps in their attack of QY6 after coming fairly close to losing at least one of the 3 nyxs that got hot dropped on the MC tower. Their attack managed to reinforce and kill some poorly stronted IAC towers and the only 2 goon towers they reinforced were saved after BoB was handily defeated in a fight against primarily goon and razor BS and caps (bob only brought bs no doubt fearing a devastating cap loss/hot drop from MC or RA). BoB failed to defend the large pos's they dropped after being defeated once again in a fight where they brought only bs against coalition bs/cap fleet. They were picked off as they logged in after the server crash and picked off over the last day or so as they logged into the you-know-whats placed at each of their former tower locations. tl;dr BoB killed a few untimed small pos's and then, when they realized that they were probably going to lose caps and potentially even supercaps if they tried to use them in an uncynojamemd system, brought only BS fleets which were defeated in back to back fights. As someone else put it, their attack on QY6 lasted only as long as the max stront timers in their larges.
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:30:00 - [289] Originally by: marakor You may disagree with his conclusion (surprise surprise) but do you have any thing that disproves his facts and figures. You're both a terrible poster and a terrible troll.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:41:00 - [290] Edited by: marakor on 03/03/2008 17:41:36 Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey Originally by: marakor Originally by: Darken Rhall Originally by: Malaphar Let's just take a look at some numbers : -this so-called "invasion" or "re-invasion" of QY6 by BoB basically began last Thursday , on 28th of February. -since then , an aggregated status of K/D for both sides would look like this : BoB : killed 3 Capitals and 83 Battleships Coalition : killed 1 Capital and 105 Battleships As the attacking force , we could say BoB's assault can be resumed as follows : 83 BS killed / 105 BS lost 3 Caps killed / 1 Cap lost From the ISK value point of view , I think it's obvious BoB it's the winner! From the territory ownership point of view , the Coalition won by managing to keep the QY6 system! But , if we are to make a more thorough analysis , we get : - in all MAJOR fleet battles , BoB had NO CAPITAL support while fighting versus at least 25-30 Coalition Capitals. - in most of the fleet battles , BoB was outnumbered. - still BoB managed to destroy some IAC control towers and to put in reinforced some other Coalition towers. Now if we take everything into consideration , I would say BoB did an excellent job! Plus , I honestly do not think this was BoB's main attempt to retake QY6.I would say this was a recon-type tryout , a fake invasion just to find out exactly which are the forces they will confront once the real invasion occurs and what is the mobility of the Coalition players once attacked! This is just my impression of the QY6 status...feel free to argue but I am sure many of you think alike! So no reason for the Coalition to brag about it! WTF are you smoking, seriously? You may disagree with his conclusion (surprise surprise) but do you have any thing that disproves his facts and figures. rant. So his figures are all pretty much correct and so are a lot of his facts but you disagree with his interpretation of what he thinks BOB plans were?. Seriously dude take a chill pill sit in a corner and say........ .its only a game its only a game.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:43:00 - [291] Originally by: marakor Seriously dude take a chill pill sit in a corner and say........ .its only a game its only a game. posts 20 times a day on 3 characters
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:46:00 - [292] Originally by: marakor So his figures are all pretty much correct and so are a lot of his facts but you disagree with his interpretation of what he thinks BOB plans were?. Seriously dude take a chill pill sit in a corner and say........ .its only a game its only a game. I fail to see his figures and facts. Bob where to scared to field capitals so they lost a bunch of Bs's but killed some capitals because lol goons. Atleast they could of setup a bunch of POSspreys and attempted to rep their Pos's instead of just kinda letting them die. You should probably listen to your own advice.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:49:00 - [293] Edited by: marakor on 03/03/2008 17:55:56 Originally by: Yorda Originally by: marakor So his figures are all pretty much correct and so are a lot of his facts but you disagree with his interpretation of what he thinks BOB plans were?. Seriously dude take a chill pill sit in a corner and say........ .its only a game its only a game. I fail to see his figures and facts. Bob where to scared to field capitals so they lost a bunch of Bs's but killed some capitals because lol goons. Atleast they could of setup a bunch of POSspreys and attempted to rep their Pos's instead of just kinda letting them die. You should probably listen to your own advice. 1. Figures are the ships killed and lost he posted. 2. The fact that they are correct makes them facts or not if you have others to show. 3. Caution when risking capitals is hardly cowardice considering how outnumbered they are. It kinda makes sense that BOB would want to judge what sort of a response hitting that system would get ( and not risking loads caps), but then considering your idea of a tactical assault is too blob Spam i do not expect you to understand.
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:55:00 - [294] Originally by: marakor It kinda makes sense that BOB would want to judge what sort of a response hitting that system would get ( and not risking loads caps), but then considering your idea of a tactical assault is too blob Spam i do not expect you to understand. Yes, it's just a coincidence that this was mere days from sov 3 switching over. 2/10 try harder.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:00:00 - [295] Edited by: marakor on 03/03/2008 18:01:02 Originally by: Yorda Originally by: marakor It kinda makes sense that BOB would want to judge what sort of a response hitting that system would get ( and not risking loads caps), but then considering your idea of a tactical assault is too blob Spam i do not expect you to understand. Yes, it's just a coincidence that this was mere days from sov 3 switching over. 2/10 try harder. Nope its sounds like the perfect time but only a total r*tard would risk and entire capital fleet (and the morale that would get destroyed with it) over a sov issue that, considering how out numbered and surrounded they are is of no real importance. 0/10 for your tactical thinking and stupidity.
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:06:00 - [296] Originally by: marakor Nope its sounds like the perfect time but only a total r*tard would risk and entire capital fleet (and the morale that would get destroyed with it) over a sov issue that, considering how out numbered and surrounded they are is of no real importance. 0/10 for your tactical thinking and stupidity. Considering they risked it up to the point where they almost lost 3 motherships trying to take out a MC tower I'd say that blows a hole in your arguement. 1/10 for personal attacks.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:16:00 - [297] Originally by: Yorda Originally by: marakor Nope its sounds like the perfect time but only a total rtard would risk and entire capital fleet (and the morale that would get destroyed with it) over a sov issue that, considering how out numbered and surrounded they are is of no real importance. 0/10 for your tactical thinking and stupidity. Considering they risked it up to the point where they almost lost 3 motherships trying to take out a MC tower I'd say that blows a hole in your argument. 1/10 for personal attacks. Just how big was this capital fleet you claim they had in these fleet battles cos i see every post about it say that BOB had none or very few in all the mayor fleet battles. My info about BOB not fielding their cap fleet unfortunatly comes from this idiots posts* Originally by: Yorda Bob where to scared to field capitals so they lost a bunch of Bs's but killed some capitals because lol goons. -1/10 for contradicting your own posting
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:20:00 - [298] Originally by: marakor 0/10 for your tactical thinking and stupidity. 0/10 for your stupidity = 10/10 for your genius. Gratz Yorda, you have Marakor's recognition to flush down the drain! Happy flush
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:23:00 - [299] Originally by: marakor Originally by: Yorda Originally by: marakor Nope its sounds like the perfect time but only a total rtard would risk and entire capital fleet (and the morale that would get destroyed with it) over a sov issue that, considering how out numbered and surrounded they are is of no real importance. 0/10 for your tactical thinking and stupidity. Considering they risked it up to the point where they almost lost 3 motherships trying to take out a MC tower I'd say that blows a hole in your argument. 1/10 for personal attacks. Just how big was this capital fleet you claim they had in these fleet battles cos i see every post about it say that BOB had none or very few in all the mayor fleet battles. My info about BOB not fielding their cap fleet unfortunatly comes from this idiots posts* Originally by: Yorda Bob where to scared to field capitals so they lost a bunch of Bs's but killed some capitals because lol goons. -1/10 for contradicting your own posting I'm not even sure what we are arguing about. Those numbers sound like they could be correct - lol goons killing bob battleship fleets :P As far as caps, BoB used caps in the initial attack, almost lost 3 Nyxs in the attack on the MC pos (where they lost that carrier) and then ever brought them out again despite goon/rzr/other coalition carriers being present at the later fights.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:24:00 - [300] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: marakor 0/10 for your tactical thinking and stupidity. 0/10 for your stupidity = 10/10 for your genius. Gratz Yorda, you have Marakor's recognition to flush down the drain! Happy flush WOW you can cut and paste stuff so it means summat totally different from what it actually says and means, your so clever.

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