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Necrome
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Posted - 2004.04.05 22:06:00 -
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If they are so good why must they jam other ships its like they are cowards and they dont want to get shot at because they dont want to lose the ships they have work Quote:
really hard for
and they havent got that cash to get another, well since iam taking about my self and my kind all the 'there' words should be changed to our, so answer the qestion please, iw as taught to use jammer etc so i dont know
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.04.05 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: juduzz on 05/04/2004 22:20:55
Edited by: juduzz on 05/04/2004 22:20:39
and u have thin your bio ?
idoit--====CRESENT PIRATES====-- we are looking for people who are cadlari, and fly a cruiser with a general no how aobut how to pirate, convo me now======-----
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Xeaon
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Posted - 2004.04.05 22:48:00 -
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Players jam other ships sometimes so that they can take multiple ships on at once, 2v1 etc.
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Knefru Khamen
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Posted - 2004.04.05 22:55:00 -
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This is like asking why a boxer tries to avoid getting hit.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.04.05 23:18:00 -
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This is like asking why a boxer tries to avoid getting hit.
surely that's an exploit?
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Mikesnail
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Posted - 2004.04.06 00:30:00 -
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this is kinda ridiculous, obviously pirates jam, because firstly, u have pirates that ransom, which is how u make money through it, its a bit hard to ransom a ship when the opponent thinks there is a chance of winning, you have to make your oppenent believe or realise that there is no hope, you pay or loose, that simple.
its a bit hard to do that if your being hit by a rally of torpedo's or other such weapons whilst trying to open a convo n ransom. its not always about a simple 1v1 to the death, its about making isk.
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Vodalus
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Posted - 2004.04.06 00:42:00 -
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three words:
FOF Cruise Missiles
(ok one is an acronym)
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Originally by: Oveur
EVE is primarily a PVP game
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MAD SirBlowaLot
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Posted - 2004.04.06 01:14:00 -
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Quote:
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This is like asking why a boxer tries to avoid getting hit.
surely that's an exploit?
sure is 
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Polux
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Posted - 2004.04.06 01:57:00 -
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Come on. It's a way to fight, just like shield/armor tanking.
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Tartl
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Posted - 2004.04.06 06:22:00 -
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Simply put, the game does not reflect reality yet.
Regardles of tactics, the system rewards those with anti-social issues. Can you log in life? Could Pirates log in Life? (no)
Can you hide in a port whose commerce you destroyed in life? Could the Bismark? (no)
The game mechanics favor the Pirate. I hesitate to even call them pirates as that brings up images of Errol Flynn.
<enter whines and cries about RPG, or games> Pirates are no different than the folks that sell shuttles as a Thorax on Escrow (most likely the same). "Me first, if I make my day better by making yours worse all the better."
removed the insulting bits -Eris Discordia
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Von Schnopp
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Posted - 2004.04.06 06:41:00 -
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Edited by: Von Schnopp on 06/04/2004 06:43:52
Why do people always have to generalize about every ******* trade there is? I'm pro-pirate, not that I can say I like ppl destroying innocent ("") peoples property etc but rather the element of excitement they add to this huge mining sim. Also, at times when they DO make mistakes, you get the chance to pay back. Like when they jump someone unknowing of their escort a few AU's away 
Never forget, the trade of a pirate is not entirely without risk, I'm not a pirate/corsair/marauder/gate ****er/ganker/griefer/murderer/etc/whatsnot but I'd hate a EVE universe without open PvP where everything would be predictable.
However, group camping a gate in 0.0 must be boring as hell whereas running a bit of risk taking on somebody in empire space for ransoms(0.4-0.1) must be a lot more fun, escpecially when it works. My 2 cents for what it's worth. Flame's on 
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.04.06 07:28:00 -
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ehmmmm electronic warfare is a skill eh....
Zotttt
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.04.06 07:52:00 -
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Because they can.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.04.06 08:09:00 -
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I really don't see the problem with jamming. If you want to be able to fight back, use eccm (anti-jam) or FOF-missiles (maybe drones works aswell?).
For a pirate, jamming is very important - without jamming, there is NO way for them to be able to get ransom money (ok, it's possible, but a lot more difficult), and jamming is very valid tactics for fighting. I'd be surprised if I met a pirate without any jamming capability, and I'd be very sure that that pirate is not going to ask for ransom money, but hope that there is something valuable in the loot dropped (or maybe he just wants to fight).
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.04.06 08:23:00 -
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Simply put, the game does not reflect reality yet.
Regardles of tactics, the system rewards those with anti-social issues. Can you log in life? Could Pirates log in Life? (no)
Can you hide in a port whose commerce you destroyed in life? Could the Bismark? (no)
The game mechanics favor the Pirate. I hesitate to even call them pirates as that brings up images of Errol Flynn.
<enter whines and cries about RPG, or games> Pirates are no different than the folks that sell shuttles as a Thorax on Escrow (most likely the same). "Me first, if I make my day better by making yours worse all the better."
Breath in..... Breath out..... Breath in..... Breath out..
Oh.. And please unplug your keyboard.
Scrub
Sass
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AbraKadaver
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Posted - 2004.04.06 10:16:00 -
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This is what insurance comes in handy for ....
..:: Electro-shock therapy ::..
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Gai Daigoji
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Posted - 2004.04.06 11:55:00 -
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/me chuckles 
Please note that the views expressed above are those of Gai Daigoji and not necessarily those of the JGR corporation. |
Siddy
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Posted - 2004.04.06 11:57:00 -
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Quote:
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This is like asking why a boxer tries to avoid getting hit.
surely that's an exploit?
sure is
oi
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.04.06 13:21:00 -
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Players jam other ships sometimes so that they can take multiple ships on at once, 2v1 etc.
exactly
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.04.06 13:48:00 -
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I was gonna post here, but I don't think I'll bother.
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Enforcer
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Posted - 2004.04.06 13:58:00 -
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Jam....isn't that something you do with some mates when you all play guitar?
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2004.04.06 14:02:00 -
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Sir, we've beem jammed
/spaceballs
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Aranox
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Posted - 2004.04.06 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Aranox on 06/04/2004 14:31:05
Before i say my bit i have to explain my situation first (quickly don't worry!)
I'm a freelancer and as such any cargo i have in an indy is a valuable commodity to me.
Having that taken from me means many hours of work gone, many hours!
The thing you have to say is how could it be taken from me!? Being in 0.0 space thats how!!!
pirates in 0.0 space is expected! How can it not be!
In empire space the roids get higher in isk value the lower the sec rating, as do the dangerousness of the rats that attack.
This is no different in 0.0, the dangers there are not only harder rats but player pirates too.
But thats the risk!
No matter how many hours i do mining and transporting, pirates have to wait long hours finding a good spot, protecting from other pirates, waiting for prey, getting ransom or loot from people in the area. Most have spent time and isk to get to the point where they can destroy your ship unless you pay. So in some ways they don't get the steady stream of regular isk from mining as most miners do in empire, but the rewards for them are bigger but less frequent.
They are a part of eve i wouldn't want to be without but wouldn't want to meet too often!
The pirates i hate are the gobby ones who brag and flame like morons, those that get on with the job and target big fish know the risks and knowingly take the rough with the smooth, are what I call 'Honest Pirates' (now there's a catchphrase!!!! lol)
Without pirates there would be no ecconomy! Empire production corps would ceace to function! they would have to cut their prices to compete to the point where the item isn't worth producing.
But the main point is, pirates can only attack in 0.5 or under, if you go into these places it's at your own risk! thats what the system was designed for!!!!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.04.06 14:36:00 -
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I bet the person who started this thread regrets it.
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.04.06 17:11:00 -
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We all know its cos they are jamming, they are jamming, they are jamming in the name of the lord.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.04.06 17:37:00 -
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You also want to jam those that can jam you.
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Airwave
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Posted - 2004.04.06 17:47:00 -
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Another name added to my JOS list.
JOS list or... JOSTI list... ??
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.04.06 18:35:00 -
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Ore thieving, as disreputable as it is, is supported by game mechanics due to the inability to secure a jet can. It's been beaten to death that it is a valid style of gameplay.
EW is not only allowed for my game mechanics, but there in an entire field of skills, modules, ship types, and school of thought devoted to it.
EW plays a big part of making battles tactical. Otherwise it turns combat into a slugging match (which Eve's detractors claim it is).
Used skillfully by pirates, it does scare the crap out of a mark. Can't warp, can't target can't move, can't do sh!t. That would make me sweat a little.
But don't think because pirates use it that it's suddenly lame or an exploit.
*sigh*
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.04.07 09:50:00 -
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When you jam another ship it usually means they can't target you ( and thus cant do any damage unless they use F.O.F missiles or smart bombs).
You can use modules to counter their modules and I believe the skill you need for this is electronic warfare.
The modules you can use are either ecm or eccm.
It's downtime so I can't look it up for you to be a 100% sure.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.04.07 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 07/04/2004 15:38:51
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When you jam another ship it usually means they can't target you ( and thus cant do any damage unless they use F.O.F missiles or smart bombs).
You can use modules to counter their modules and I believe the skill you need for this is electronic warfare.
The modules you can use are either ecm or eccm.
It's downtime so I can't look it up for you to be a 100% sure.
In addition to this you can use modules called backup arrays which boost your sensor strength by a set value This will try to resist attempts at target jamming you.
Each Race has a different type of sensors ie Caldari use Gravitmetric so you would want a gravimetric backup array. This will boost your sensors from say 16 to 18 so if the guy jamming you is using 4x Multispectral Jammers which is like a good for all jamming setup; They will negate 4 Sensor Strength of each race per module(General Scorpion ECM Loadout). 4x4=16 normally they could jam you but since you have 18 your Gravi strentgh will be +2 and they are in for a world of hurt, with any luck
Sass
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