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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:42:00 -
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This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:42:00 -
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This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:46:00 -
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I believe this is old. I also believe it will get lockage. I might be wrong.
But yeah, disgusting... |
Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:46:00 -
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As much as I try to at least have respect for my own country, It's made a little difficult sometimes by things like this...
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:46:00 -
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I believe this is old. I also believe it will get lockage. I might be wrong.
But yeah, disgusting... |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:46:00 -
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As much as I try to at least have respect for my own country, It's made a little difficult sometimes by things like this...
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Shameless Avenger
I believe this is old. I also believe it will get lockage. I might be wrong.
But yeah, disgusting...
It's possible that it will get a lock. But I've indicated what the video was about and anyone who does not wish to see it does not have to. I don't think that CCP should shield people from the reality of this cruel world.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
I believe this is old. I also believe it will get lockage. I might be wrong.
But yeah, disgusting...
It's possible that it will get a lock. But I've indicated what the video was about and anyone who does not wish to see it does not have to. I don't think that CCP should shield people from the reality of this cruel world.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:18:00 -
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Sadly, I think people probably got more angry over the video of soldiers throwing a puppy off a cliff. Don't hate your country over idiots like that. It is horribly unfair to the bulk of well intentioned soldiers that are over there that got caught in this political **** storm.
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Orion Eridanus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:30:00 -
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Meh, wasnt near as brutal as the ANP, if the kids in afghanistan dont listen to us when the ANP is around the ANP smacks them upside the head and if the kids refuse to listen to us or the ANP after that a swift boot to the face usually gets the message across
ANP=Afghan National Police btw.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:36:00 -
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You probly learn not to **** off soldiers pretty fast over there.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:42:00 -
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Hearts & minds.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:50:00 -
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What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.03.06 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
So what?
That really doesn't seem to me like any basis to make decisions on.
Isn't that going to be the case pretty much anywhere that peacekeepers are sent nowadays?
The locals are... the locals. They can do whatever they like I guess. HM armed forces OTOH are being paid to be there to do a particular job. Does what we are seeing there help get that job done?
Now if that's actually an effective policing strategy then fine. I realise that isn't Ruthin high street on a Friday night and the local yobbos are prone to firing actual bullets and setting bombs off.
OTOH if they're just doing it for fun and it's an effective way of ****ing the locals off more making the whole situation worse then it's probably a Bad Thing. Vicious cycle and all that.
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La KeepS
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: La KeepS
Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
If a kid in your country threw a stone at you, would you gangbeat him with batons?
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: La KeepS
Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
If a kid in your country threw a stone at you, would you gangbeat him with batons?
yes, i'd beat the ******* **** out of him!
RL is brutal, unfair and our so called western civilisation just makes it all look fluffy by using economics over clubs.
get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life!
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:39:00 -
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This video should only be viewed by a mature audience
Notice the clearly visible VAMPIRIC FANGS.
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La KeepS
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: La KeepS
Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
If a kid in your country threw a stone at you, would you gangbeat him with batons?
If a kid in the UK ? Were not at war here in the UK, nither do we have kids with guns or bombs tryin to kill people different matter, but yes if they started a war here also aswell as blowing things up then am sure batons would be there least of worrys.
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Calderio
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:40:00 -
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Ive seen worse, Ive seen things that make 2 girls 1 cup look like a Saturday morning cartoon.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rosa Rosette
get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life!
Which is exactly what this New World Order Government has made plans to do to the vast majority of us in order to depopulate the planet.
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Ogdru Jahad
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 06/03/2008 12:43:31
not gonna watch said film. BUT we dont know the full story. he could have shot and killed another soldier for all we know.
ALSO if its so bad, why did you link it?
infact how did you find it?
Did you activly seek it out or did one of your like minded friends send you the link!?
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
What do the locals do to them? Facts only please.
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Reikoku
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
What do the locals do to them? Facts only please.
The kids had guns afaik.
And were using them.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/03/2008 13:01:03
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
What do the locals do to them? Facts only please.
The kids had guns afaik.
And were using them.
So what? They disarmed them obviously. I mean when police arrest you in US or UK or whatever, do they proceed to beat you with batons? That would cause an uproar if you are an adult, imagine if you were a child? Or does an Iraqi child's life mean less nowadays. Wouldn't be surprised tbh.
and thats IF they had guns.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:01:00 -
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thatll teach the little buggers to stop throwing rocks.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rosa Rosette
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: La KeepS
Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
If a kid in your country threw a stone at you, would you gangbeat him with batons?
yes, i'd beat the ******* **** out of him!
RL is brutal, unfair and our so called western civilisation just makes it all look fluffy by using economics over clubs.
get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life!
Then don't cry when a plane knocks down your buildings, because RL is brutal and unfair.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/03/2008 13:12:58
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) Taking of hostages;
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
All 4 have been violated.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
What do the locals do to them? Facts only please.
Hint: in iran they have public executions by hanging and stoning. Ive also seen a video of iraqi police beating prisoners bloody.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 13:41:54
I remembwer what Mullah Omar in Afganistan said in response to Dubya (Bush) charges regarding the public execution of Afghanis taken to that Socar Field and shot.
It went something like this...
"Why don't you come on over here and build us a state of the art facility like the ones you use in the United States?"
The method a culture uses to kill its people does not make one culture more enlightened, or civilized than the other.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
So what? They disarmed them obviously. I mean when police arrest you in US or UK or whatever, do they proceed to beat you with batons? That would cause an uproar if you are an adult, imagine if you were a child? Or does an Iraqi child's life mean less nowadays. Wouldn't be surprised tbh.
and thats IF they had guns.
There is a BIG difference between the police and the military.
I would not expect police to beat the crap out of people (although they often will). I fully expect the military to beat the ever loving snot out of you if you mess with them.
I think it is safe to say if those kids were throwing stones they had it coming. Who the hell antagonizes heavily armed soldiers? How do those soldiers know whether the next thing you throw will be a hand grenade or their buddy in a building with a rifle is taking aim? Those kids got off light with an ass kicking. They are lucky they weren't shot.
And believe me I would say the same thing if it were Iraqi soldiers on American streets. I may not like it but if I threw stones at them I would fully expect to get beat if not outright killed for doing that.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:15:00 -
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Unfortunately, spending long periods of time in a foreign country as an occupying force tends to have negative effects on the psychology of soldiers, especially their views regarding the local populace. It doesn't take long for the soldiers to see the occupied citizens as the enemy, especially considering the asymmetrical nature of the Iraqi insurgency.
Once this line of thinking sets in, it's easy for people of any culture to view the civilians in an occupied territory as something not-quite-human, therefore removing the empathy that keeps us from harming our friends and neighbors.
If you are in a position of power over a creature that you feel no empathy for and that you associate with things that harm you, it's very easy to do things like this. The US soldiers who raped and killed an Iraqi girl were probably subject to the same phenomenon. This does not excuse their actions by any means (and we do not know both sides of this story), but I understand the mindset that led to them.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
I mean when police arrest you in US or UK or whatever, do they proceed to beat you with batons?
Yes.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:20:00 -
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tbh I wouldn't have thought it was that bad if the guy in the video hadn't sounded like he was jacking off over it, but who's to say it wasn't added in later? *shrugs*
If you're in an occupied country, and you abuse soldiers who are constantly getting attacked by insurgents you'd take any measures necessary to ensure your own safety, and those around you.
Remember these countries use kids as militants. Just because they're children doesn't mean they're harmless.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: benzss on 06/03/2008 15:35:39
Originally by: Scoundrelus
This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
Clearer picture? It is just one picture.
War is brutal, crappy things happen that perhaps shouldn't. The RMP might have pulled these guys out of their regiments, who knows... it's army business.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:47:00 -
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You train people how to kill, brain wash them so they will do just that, send them to a place where the enemy blends right in with the civilians... and you expect them to act like a bunch of babysitters? Get real. If they executed the kids, I might almost agree with you, but some kids getting beat with a bit of wood is hardly news worthy.
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Oberoonmoon
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:28:00 -
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The problem we see with many of the soldiers sent to warzones these days, is the lack of proper training they get before they get shipped out. A few months bootcamps, is not enough when you meet assymetric opponents. Its also not good enough when it comes to handle civilian issues.
I see from many of those who have posted here, who obious have no military training or experience, but do have a matcho image on how a troopers should act, when he meets hostility. A modern soldier do not use violence each time he migth be treaten by somebody.
Today a modern soldier wears bodyarmor & kevlar helmet intended to stop shrappels from grenades and even small arms fire.. seriously ppl, rocks arent dangerous to a soldier with the correct equipment, so there should be no need to get aggresive, no need to escalate a situation by pointing your gun towards them or beat them up, as I have seen many allied troops do on uTube... Its all about training on how you should react or should we say not overreact to different situations. If you want to win other peoples heart & mind, you should not be the aggressive part.
Take for example somebody approached you with a knife, what would you do? Point your gun at him & then fire? Or maybe put some trust in your close combat training, put the gun away and show him your open hands. For those who have had proper military training, they know that you can downgrade a hostile situation, if you take the first step. Nobody gets shoot, and you might get the opportunity to talk about whatever issues the knifeman had, instead of shooting and mayeb killing him, for what might only a minor issues. And for those who want to flame this example, this is just one example of million different situations, so no need to try to pick it apart, becasue you cannot compare one situation with another, hence you need good training and experience, and you will not get that with 3 months bootcamp.....
And there you have one of the reasons why we see soo much **** from allied troops in Iraq etc, they lack proper training. In a military term, such soldiers are called "the little corporal". Meaning your goverment have done alot to make sure the troops put on their best behaviour, and act according to the rules the international soceity have set, but there is always one ******* who managed to do a stunt that ruin the reputation to the rest... Like that puppy throwing over cliff. That guy should never have been allowed to join, and I bet he will soon be out of his uniform.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Oberoonmoon
stuff
First off stones can be more dangerous than you think...kevlar or no.
Second allowing the populace to throw stones while soldiers just stand around undermines the occupying force's credibility in a serious way.
Third if the soldiers get used to accepting stones thrown at them and not responding they will not be prepared when a hand grenade or molotov*****tail or what have you gets tossed in to the mix.
Fourth, American soldiers are trained in the Universal Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) as part of their overall training. The military is rather inflexible over that and the UCMJ most certainly covers soldier behavior. I suspect any Western military as something very similar.
The only real failure comes from the leadership starting with the US President and working down. If the President thinks it is ok to torture people (as he apparently is) then you are on the slippery slope in a big way. If the commanders in the field give a wink and a nod to soldier misdeeds then you see more misdeeds.
There will always be a few bad apples in any group and it is very difficult to screen those people completely out before hand. Some will get washed out but some few will always trickle in and one puppy tosser blackens the reputation of the whole military and his/her country.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Gyfrex on 06/03/2008 17:00:29
To be quite fair, when you're fighting against a guerilla force that uses children as soldiers, if anyone starts to throw rocks or whatever at you, no matter who they are, colour, creed, age, whatever, they are a threat and should be handled as such. A rock can do a suprising amount of damage if it hits in the right place, maybe it might be slightly jagged and hit you on the neck and make a cut? As someone else said, what if the next thin someone throws is a hand grenade, with the rocks just being used as cover for it. Also one of them might know something, maybe one of their dads might be a militant, information helps win wars after all, and sometimes the best way to get that information is a quick beating. Its not like they were lopping fingers off or anything.
Also I think the "commentary" is added in later, it sounds too clean compared to the image which looks like it was taken on a cheap camera phone.
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Isiskhan
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Second allowing the populace to throw stones while soldiers just stand around undermines the occupying force's credibility in a serious way.
As if there were any sort of credibility or legitimacy to maintain. That is an illusion. Sorry, but the UK / US forces that invaded and occupied Iraq are certainly not the good guys in this movie. Actually, there are no good guys in this movie, only innocent extras being caught in the middle and brutalized. If I were a teenager in Iraq, stone throwing would be the least I would do to the occupying forces.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Second allowing the populace to throw stones while soldiers just stand around undermines the occupying force's credibility in a serious way.
As if there were any sort of credibility or legitimacy to maintain.
In the sense I was using "credibility" I mean "we are the occupying army, you need to believe we are in control and listen to us and not screw with us".
Whether they should be there or not in the first place is another discussion and one prohibited on this particular forum.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rosa Rosette
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: La KeepS
Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
If a kid in your country threw a stone at you, would you gangbeat him with batons?
yes, i'd beat the ******* **** out of him!
If it was legal to kill I would have a huge body count from the amount of chavs who act like ****s that I wan't to maim.
Now belive me I am not condoning this video, its pretty old btw and tbh it is no-where near the worst, but you can't tarnish everyone just over some idiots who got into the army un-detected.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Isiskhan on 06/03/2008 18:47:31
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Whether they should be there or not in the first place is another discussion and one prohibited on this particular forum.
Lets not discuss it then... though you cannot decontextualize either this whole video from that discussion.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Whether they should be there or not in the first place is another discussion and one prohibited on this particular forum.
Lets not discuss it then... though you cannot decontextualize either those soldier's reactions to the stone throwing from that discussion.
I'd love to discuss it and I suspect we probably agree more than disagree on that point. Unfortunately the Mods will not allow it here.
That said my point is as an occupying military force you want to maintain a level of control both to protect your own people and to see whatever your mission is done. Even if your reason for being there in the first place is deeply flawed and wrong it does not change this aspect one whit.
The military (any military) has a job to do and allowing rock throwing undermines their ability to do their job and threatens them. They will not and should not abide that regardless if the truth of the matter is they should never have been there in the first place.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mtthias Clemi on 06/03/2008 19:17:58
By the looks of things the soldiers were breaking up a large group of people (given they are using batons and riot shields, not guns and tanks), and those they had with them seemed to be resisting strongly and holding things.
This is exactly the kind of action i would expect them to take, force is needed here.
When you use the word children it gives the impression you mean younger than they are, looks like you mean teenager.
You cannot and should not draw parallels between this and the police in your own country, because they are completely different things, and either way if you watch some riot police breaking up large groups in the UK then you see things much worse than this.. charging at people with Horses etc.. if you don't want that to happen to you, don't be part of a riot.
You cant possibly know why they are detaining those individuals, and you will notice thats what they are doing (they are only hit when they resist), or what those individuals have been previously been doing.
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Orgos Khenn
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:28:00 -
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If you were out in my town on a Friday night, you would see kids this age beating people up for kicks. I've been attacked by a pack of them once; most of my friends have, too. I was lucky to get away mostly undamaged. One of my friends was knifed, but it was far less serious than it could have been.
If the police in my town could do what the army are doing in that video, they'd be heroes.
It's funny how context matters - and the OP has no context to frame his statement in. Thus, way to kick up a nice big flamestorm.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Orgos Khenn
If you were out in my town on a Friday night, you would see kids this age beating people up for kicks. I've been attacked by a pack of them once; most of my friends have, too. I was lucky to get away mostly undamaged. One of my friends was knifed, but it was far less serious than it could have been.
If the police in my town could do what the army are doing in that video, they'd be heroes.
It's funny how context matters - and the OP has no context to frame his statement in. Thus, way to kick up a nice big flamestorm.
I haven't judged these soldiers as I don't have all the facts. However, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say what if those same yobs you just mentioned grow up, join the army, go to a 3rd world country and beat up some kids legitimately?
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:59:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Scoundrelus
This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
This is by far *NOT* the most sickening video *I* have ever seen. I could link dozens of them but I don't wish to get banned. Still, I chose a random vid that's not bannable: Linkage
Even this one is a LOT more disgusting.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:06:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
It's not like you were invited in the first place...
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:54:00 -
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I hope at least those kids had good aim with their rocks. Any soldier belonging to an invanding force deserves much worse from the local population. And being a lemming and following orders it's not an excuse.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:02:00 -
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Sicker then the video is the fact that some people on this forum seem to find this amusing and trying to justify it by talking about Afghani police and whatnot. Well guess what, Afghanistan is not only a different culture, and country, but they aren't even Arabs. So saying "Well other people do it" is not justification. There IS NO justification. This behavior is nothing less than barbarism. I agree that this video wouldn't have looked as bad without the camera man's narration, but who was that camera man? British soldiers, British cameraman. Doubt he was a tourist. I could've found much more sickening video's but they would ban me for posting them here.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:05:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kyanzes
Originally by: Scoundrelus
This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
This is by far *NOT* the most sickening video *I* have ever seen. I could link dozens of them but I don't wish to get banned. Still, I chose a random vid that's not bannable: Linkage
Even this one is a LOT more disgusting.
Omg, I almost fell out of my chair
Here's another good one
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kyanzes
Originally by: Scoundrelus
This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
This is by far *NOT* the most sickening video *I* have ever seen. I could link dozens of them but I don't wish to get banned. Still, I chose a random vid that's not bannable: Linkage
Even this one is a LOT more disgusting.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 06/03/2008 21:17:00
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Meh, wasnt near as brutal as the ANP
That's OK then! 
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:12:00 -
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I see that some keep on insisting that you need to meet force with more force. Yeah on a battlefield I would agree. But if your an "occupation force" in a country and you want to win the peoples hearth and mind, then beating up their kids for rock throwing isnt the way to do it. That is EPIC fail, just to use a language some of the forum dwellers use here.
I would like to mention an example the Norwegians troops did in Kosovo, to build more trust among the civilian population. They left kevlar armor, helmet and weapons behind at their base, and took a stroll into a very hostile civilian population. It was an calcualted risk they did, but it payed off. Its easier for an cilivan to appraoch you and get in contact with you, when you seem less threatning. In short time, they had a good contact with the civilians, and the violence in the norwegian sector disapeared faster than the other sectors.
The Norwegians always prefer fotpatrols before using vehicles, because of the contact they make with the civilians + a armored vehicle = "I dont trust you, see the big tank I got here to kick your ass with...." To bad we see ppl here who still insist on keeping the civilian population in check with weapons, they have missed several points in winning peoples trust.
Will you lose tropps doing this, yes you will from time to time, and the point is not to get revenge then, but keep on being friendly. Its in all human nature to be kind to kind people and cruel towards cruel people. But somebody need to take the first step in the right direction. And since we the western forces have "forced" ourself into their country, we are actually guests and should behave as that.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:25:00 -
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Well, while that may work in some cases I'd like to see them try that in Iraq.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 06/03/2008 21:31:02
Oberoon I believe the British army do something similar where possible for similar reasons.
You generally see them on TV at least patrolling in berets or whatever in areas where it's quieter.
Yes, even in Iraq.
I could be wrong but I think that originated in Northern Ireland.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oberoonmoon
I see that some keep on insisting that you need to meet force with more force. Yeah on a battlefield I would agree. But if your an "occupation force" in a country and you want to win the peoples hearth and mind, then beating up their kids for rock throwing isnt the way to do it. That is EPIC fail, just to use a language some of the forum dwellers use here.
I would like to mention an example the Norwegians troops did in Kosovo, to build more trust among the civilian population. They left kevlar armor, helmet and weapons behind at their base, and took a stroll into a very hostile civilian population. It was an calcualted risk they did, but it payed off. Its easier for an cilivan to appraoch you and get in contact with you, when you seem less threatning. In short time, they had a good contact with the civilians, and the violence in the norwegian sector disapeared faster than the other sectors.
The Norwegians always prefer fotpatrols before using vehicles, because of the contact they make with the civilians + a armored vehicle = "I dont trust you, see the big tank I got here to kick your ass with...." To bad we see ppl here who still insist on keeping the civilian population in check with weapons, they have missed several points in winning peoples trust.
Will you lose tropps doing this, yes you will from time to time, and the point is not to get revenge then, but keep on being friendly. Its in all human nature to be kind to kind people and cruel towards cruel people. But somebody need to take the first step in the right direction. And since we the western forces have "forced" ourself into their country, we are actually guests and should behave as that.
Flame away those who are john wayne fans.. shot first ask questions later *sigh
UK forces and I would suspect US forces also maintain face-to-face patrols in most regions they are deployed, and are trained to do so, I would hope most modern western military forces are likewise trained.
The situation in Iraq and Afganistan is a nasty one, and quite different from the Bosnian/serbian situation not helped by a lack of understanding of events by the majority of the western public.
Regarding the video, we do not know the full details of the event, the time it occured, the location or the troops envolved. But it should be made clear that a military force is NOT a police force and uses different responces to situations.
In Iraq and Afghanistan troops work with local law enforcement and local troops to try and meet the requirements of their mission and even support local troops and law enforcement on their day to day tasks while the gradual handover back to local control takes place.
We also have to remember that local laws and cultures are different, NO I would not expect to suffer corporal punishment in the UK, but if I was the middle east i WOULD expect to be punished with what ever methods they have there....Its one reason why the foriegn office has those nice tv comercials telling people that if they get caught breaking the law in another country, then they WILL get punished by that country.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:38:00 -
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As far as War is concerned, I think they were fine. Should humans do that to other humans? No. Should we be over there? No.
Soldiers are trained just like cops to use levels of force. The idea basically being if the some dude has got his wife in a hammer lock on the hood of a car, you get out your baton. If he has a knife, you might try a taser or gun. Just enough force to subdue without killing.
From that standpoint, they were most likely just doing what they were trained to do.
I am actually more scared of the dude that shot the video...I mean cmon really? is that actually that entertaining? I mean its not a roman blood bath in a colluseum.
The kids just got touched up with some sticks...they will live, they just got their pride bruised.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Oberoonmoon
I see that some keep on insisting that you need to meet force with more force. Yeah on a battlefield I would agree. But if your an "occupation force" in a country and you want to win the peoples hearth and mind, then beating up their kids for rock throwing isnt the way to do it. That is EPIC fail, just to use a language some of the forum dwellers use here.
I would like to mention an example the Norwegians troops did in Kosovo, to build more trust among the civilian population. They left kevlar armor, helmet and weapons behind at their base, and took a stroll into a very hostile civilian population. It was an calcualted risk they did, but it payed off. Its easier for an cilivan to appraoch you and get in contact with you, when you seem less threatning. In short time, they had a good contact with the civilians, and the violence in the norwegian sector disapeared faster than the other sectors.
The Norwegians always prefer fotpatrols before using vehicles, because of the contact they make with the civilians + a armored vehicle = "I dont trust you, see the big tank I got here to kick your ass with...." To bad we see ppl here who still insist on keeping the civilian population in check with weapons, they have missed several points in winning peoples trust.
Will you lose tropps doing this, yes you will from time to time, and the point is not to get revenge then, but keep on being friendly. Its in all human nature to be kind to kind people and cruel towards cruel people. But somebody need to take the first step in the right direction. And since we the western forces have "forced" ourself into their country, we are actually guests and should behave as that.
Flame away those who are john wayne fans.. shot first ask questions later *sigh
As others have noted Kosovo != Iraq. Soldiers in Iraq could hand out ice cream cones daily, go unarmed/unarmored, never retaliate, build schools and hospitals, hand out food and money and STILL there would be some (more than enough) who would send a 12 year-old for his ice cream cone while wrapped in explosives.
Second having rocks thrown at you is an attack. As mentioned rocks can be more dangerous than one might guess. This is a military force. If anything they are acting in a restrained matter by not using lethal force in response. As they go to get the rock throwers and they resist I think you can expect some people to get beat up. Heck...I'd wager British police would knock you around some in the same instance in downtown London (you certainly would by American police doing the same in New York).
I generally agree with the notion of peaceful response and being nice wherever possible but the world is not so black & white and sadly cases like this will exist. No amount of "turn the other cheek" will help.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kyanzes
This is by far *NOT* the most sickening video *I* have ever seen. I could link dozens of them but I don't wish to get banned. Still, I chose a random vid that's not bannable: Linkage
Even this one is a LOT more disgusting.
One kid would have grabed the bottle taken 3 or 4 sips from it then tossed it to the ground and no one else would have picked it up and drank from it. At least the kid that ran that far after the hummvee might pick up and finish the bottle of water after the biggest kid that grabs it tosses it to the ground.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 22:12:00 -
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I don't see how anyone can put themselves in the place of a soldier on the ground, based on that video, and make any call one way or the other.
It's very easy to get offended sitting here in our nice cosy houses seeing a short clip on the web.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 06/03/2008 22:14:58
Originally by: Fink Angel
I don't see how anyone can put themselves in the place of a soldier on the ground, based on that video, and make any call one way or the other.
It's very easy to get offended sitting here in our nice cosy houses seeing a short clip on the web.
Totally. Also, compared to Iraq we all live in paradise. It's very easy to be a saint when you're in paradise.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Arron S on 06/03/2008 22:35:16
Police should do that to children over here..
Street gangs are more deserving of beatings then little Iraqi tards
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:42:00 -
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Those kids should be at school and not on the streets throwing rocks and bricks at the police. I think scum like those kids throwing rocks and bricks need to be taught a few lessons. Maybe those britons were wrong by repeadtly beating them.
Though in the end if Sadam was still there they simply would have been shot at/executed. Its like comparing one evil with a bigger one.
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Dark Tornado
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Dillon
Those kids should be at school and not on the streets throwing rocks and bricks at the police. I think scum like those kids throwing rocks and bricks need to be taught a few lessons. Maybe those britons were wrong by repeadtly beating them.
Though in the end if Sadam was still there they simply would have been shot at/executed. Its like comparing one evil with a bigger one.
Because US and UK military planes are doing a great job of avoiding schools.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Kyanzes
Originally by: Scoundrelus
This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
This is by far *NOT* the most sickening video *I* have ever seen. I could link dozens of them but I don't wish to get banned. Still, I chose a random vid that's not bannable: Linkage
Even this one is a LOT more disgusting.
Omg, I almost fell out of my chair
Here's another good one
Why do I get the feeling the camera man is on Goonswarm.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:04:00 -
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I watched the link, yes, I agree behaviour that simply can not be explained by normal standards. However, what caught my eye on that page was a US marine throwing a puppy from a cliff.
For some unknown reason I feel definitively and distinctly more shocked, emanating from all my joints and inside my head. Im not privy to human suffering nor animal cruelty but I can not explain why im in a state of shock right now. I can actually feel the stress hormones rushing through my body by watching that video.
To be brutally honest, im more disgusted at the US marines, perhaps this is because the I know this puppy is a stupid animal with no means of defence or intelligence.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Kyanzes
Originally by: Scoundrelus
This is by far the most sickening video I've ever seen. While it isn't graphic it shows iraqi children getting beaten by British soldiers. The really sickening part is the camera man's commentaries. I think everyone should see this video so as to get a clearer picture as to what the occupation of Iraq is coming down to.
Sickening
This is by far *NOT* the most sickening video *I* have ever seen. I could link dozens of them but I don't wish to get banned. Still, I chose a random vid that's not bannable: Linkage
Even this one is a LOT more disgusting.
Omg, I almost fell out of my chair
Here's another good one
Why do I get the feeling the camera man is on Goonswarm.
and americans wonder why theyre hated in Iraqi. Figures.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: 3rdD Dave
I watched the link, yes, I agree behavior that simply can not be explained by normal standards. However, what caught my eye on that page was a US marine throwing a puppy from a cliff.
For some unknown reason I feel definitively and distinctly more shocked, emanating from all my joints and inside my head. Im not privy to human suffering nor animal cruelty but I can not explain why im in a state of shock right now. I can actually feel the stress hormones rushing through my body by watching that video.
To be brutally honest, im more disgusted at the US marines, perhaps this is because the I know this puppy is a stupid animal with no means of defense or intelligence.
hold up a second before your mind goes down the wrong path.
yes this man through a puppy off a cliff. please don't blanket everyone in the military as puppy killers. just because one messed up man does something awful you shouldn't blame everyone else.
there are messed up people in every hole of society.
lets say a waiter refuses to take you order. you really like eating at this place but this one waiter spits in your food because you are a certain creed, race, class, ect. would you hate the restaurant or that waiter?
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: 3rdD Dave on 07/03/2008 01:22:35
to edit and correct myself in light of your reply.
Quote:
To be brutally honest, im more disgusted at the US marine, perhaps this is because the I know this puppy is a stupid animal with no means of defense or intelligence.
Singular, im still more disgusted for some reason.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:37:00 -
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I hit a milestone today. Not only did my thread get locked; it was totaly and completely deleted. That was a first since I have been around as I have never once seen a thread completely removed without explanation and there was no violation of forum rules in it that I am aware of. I have seen many threads locked, but never removed.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:52:00 -
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yeah and the next time a kid will blow it self up next to you its sad overall but over there you cant trust any one even kids 
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Originally by: Sephra Star
I hit a milestone today. Not only did my thread get locked; it was totaly and completely deleted. That was a first since I have been around as I have never once seen a thread completely removed without explanation and there was no violation of forum rules in it that I am aware of. I have seen many threads locked, but never removed.
A bit off topic but yeah...was weird. I guess the mod saw "government" in the title and deleted it out of hand despite absolutely nothing in the thread I can think of that broke forum rules. You can still read it here (always ways around these things) but obviously cannot contribute to it anymore.
And as to the puppy yeah...blew my mind waaaaaaay more the the OPs video. The difference being the stone throwing kids had an ass beating coming and near as I could tell likely got out of it all with some bruises and bloody noses (the commentary was way off but whatever). The puppy however was a display of bald-faced cruelty greater than any I think I have witnessed. You hardly find anything on this planet more innocent than a puppy nor nothing more totally seeking comfort and affection from those around it. To so casually and with a chuckle toss it off a cliff is as morally and ethically bankrupt as I think I have ever seen a person.
I hope this guy gets a dishonorable discharge, some time in Leavenworth breaking rocks, has his wife leave him (would you want to have children with a man who was so casually brutal) and shunned by everyone where he lives. Not only is he despicable he seriously tarnished the American military and America itself and these days we hardly need any more of that.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:24:00 -
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Well, if another country invaded your country, I'm sure there would be ****ed off people and kids throwing rocks at them too. Now how would you like seeing your kids being beaten by some foreign soldiers roaming around on your streets?
We just need to GTFO out of their country.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:28:00 -
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Nothing sickening about it.
Throw rocks or spit at anyone and they are liable to beat you down.
Good job British troops. Come home safe.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn
Well, if another country invaded your country, I'm sure there would be ****ed off people and kids throwing rocks at them too. Now how would you like seeing your kids being beaten by some foreign soldiers roaming around on your streets?
The job of a conquered people is to submit.
Failing that, their job is to suffer and die.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Daelorn
Well, if another country invaded your country, I'm sure there would be ****ed off people and kids throwing rocks at them too. Now how would you like seeing your kids being beaten by some foreign soldiers roaming around on your streets?
The job of a conquered people is to submit.
Failing that, their job is to suffer and die.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Daelorn
Well, if another country invaded your country, I'm sure there would be ****ed off people and kids throwing rocks at them too. Now how would you like seeing your kids being beaten by some foreign soldiers roaming around on your streets?
The job of a conquered people is to submit.
Failing that, their job is to suffer and die.
Well...I'm all for resistance but if Iraqi soldiers were occupying my city and I threw rocks at them I would fully expect them to shoot me. If I got off with an ass kicking I'd consider myself lucky.
Although the US army is not supposed to be there as conquerors.
Frankly if the Iraqis were smart they'd pipe down and play nice and we'd feel all happy and go away which is what they want. We'd all be happier.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Daelorn
Well, if another country invaded your country, I'm sure there would be ****ed off people and kids throwing rocks at them too. Now how would you like seeing your kids being beaten by some foreign soldiers roaming around on your streets?
The job of a conquered people is to submit.
Failing that, their job is to suffer and die.
Well...I'm all for resistance but if Iraqi soldiers were occupying my city and I threw rocks at them I would fully expect them to shoot me. If I got off with an ass kicking I'd consider myself lucky.
Although the US army is not supposed to be there as conquerors.
Frankly if the Iraqis were smart they'd pipe down and play nice and we'd feel all happy and go away which is what they want. We'd all be happier.
If another country invaded mine, and if I got hostile I would fully expect to be killed.
What, you think you can throw rocks and there are no repercussions?
What world are you people living in?
Go to any pub in the UK, spit on someone, see what happens.
Go to any bar in the USA, spit on someone, see what happens.
You will be lucky only to get a beating.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 07/03/2008 03:24:11
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Sephra Star
I hit a milestone today. Not only did my thread get locked; it was totaly and completely deleted. That was a first since I have been around as I have never once seen a thread completely removed without explanation and there was no violation of forum rules in it that I am aware of. I have seen many threads locked, but never removed.
A bit off topic but yeah...was weird. I guess the mod saw "government" in the title and deleted it out of hand despite absolutely nothing in the thread I can think of that broke forum rules. You can still read it here (always ways around these things) but obviously cannot contribute to it anymore.
I doubt it had to do with anything about the title of the thread. I guess I should take it as a compliment. As in I still got what it takes.
I have been censored from more forums more times than you could possibly imagine over the years despite the fact that I always hold my cool and stay within the bounds.
I just have a way of really irritating people with the truth.
By the way nothing personal about that last post I made to you. I simply could not resist the POOOP comment.
I kinda regretted the implied insult especially after reading you post this.
"And as to the puppy yeah...blew my mind waaaaaaay more the the OPs video. The puppy was a display of bald-faced cruelty greater than any I think I have witnessed. You hardly find anything on this planet more innocent than a puppy nor nothing more totally seeking comfort and affection from those around it. To so casually and with a chuckle toss it off a cliff is as morally and ethically bankrupt as I think I have ever seen a person. "
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:07:00 -
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Would be disgusting however I havent heard the reason for beating them so I really have no idea.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Eridanus
What those brits did is no where near as bad as what the locals do to them.
That doesn't seem the right level to set the bar.
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:48:00 -
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*shrugs* dont stone soldiers?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn
Edited by: Daelorn on 07/03/2008 02:27:57
Well, if another country invaded your country, I'm sure there would be ****ed off people and kids throwing rocks at them too. Now how would you like seeing your kids being beaten by some foreign soldiers roaming around on your streets?
I've seen some sick videos a while back, such as a soldier shooting a dog that was just laying on the ground (And not killing it with the first few rounds). It's all very ****** up.
We just need to GTFO of their country.
I'd slip back into that nasty ass ghillie suit I keep double bagged and boxed up in the garage and hit the California mountains with my Mosin Nagant 
Originally by: Avaricia
look a goon lol
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RaV1N
Caldari
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:06:00 -
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You can also see footage of Iraqi children waving at a vehicle passing then as soon as it passes they through grenades and run.
Not very nice but that is war in rl, as far as that video goes the children were throwing stones not firing guns, having said that stones can cause massive head injuries if aimed right.
Didn't read all the replies as it's tl;dr, but it should be noted that the shown soldiers were disciplined.
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Angela Toren
Amarr
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:14:00 -
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the puppy off the cliff was worse
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Rosa Rosette
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:18:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Rosa Rosette
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: La KeepS
Edited by: La KeepS on 06/03/2008 10:51:05
I think throwin a puppy off a cliff would be a bad thing,
Its a two sided storyd dont judge there actions based on this clip how do you know they didnt throw stones or fire at those troops earlyer on? They should of just shot them to be honest less to worry about.
If a kid in your country threw a stone at you, would you gangbeat him with batons?
yes, i'd beat the ******* **** out of him!
RL is brutal, unfair and our so called western civilisation just makes it all look fluffy by using economics over clubs.
get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life!
Then don't cry when a plane knocks down your buildings, because RL is brutal and unfair.
i'll hope someone puts a video on youtube and someone else starts a whine thread for me
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jason hill
Caldari
Nightmare Holdings
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:24:00 -
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I think those kids got off pretty lightly .....in the UK they woulda prolly got an ASBO..."shudders at the thought"
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 07/03/2008 17:47:46
Fact #1 - Anyone who supports, justifies, or defends violence in any form, for any reason, against anyone, is mentally ill.
The only justification for the judicious application of FORCE is to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all; and even then it must be controlled and dispensed with a level head without any motivation for vengeance, ulterior motive, or personal selfish gain.
Fact #2 - Violence enacted within a mental state of anger, or malice, or sadistic entertainment is a certain sign of insanity. As is violence enacted by someone who has been victimized, or psychologically manipulated by the criminal activity of others.
Fact #3 Those responsable for manipulating others to violent behavior are simply sick beyond hope and are most certainly of an evil nature and areguably the most deserving of being subjected to a judicious application of Force to end their reign of terror. You will most often find these types dressed in fine clothes living a very wealthy life.
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Orgos Khenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Edited by: Sephra Star on 07/03/2008 17:54:02
Opinion #1 - Anyone who supports, justifies, or defends violence in any form, for any reason, against anyone, is mentally ill.
The only justification for the judicious application of FORCE is to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all; and even then it must be controlled and dispensed with a level head without any motivation for vengeance, ulterior motive, or personal selfish gain.
Opinion #2 - Violence enacted within a mental state of anger, or malice, or sadistic entertainment is a certain sign of insanity. As is violence enacted by someone who has been victimized, or psychologically manipulated by the criminal activity of others.
Opinion #3 Those responsable for manipulating others to violent behavior are simply sick beyond hope and are most certainly of an evil nature and are deserving of being subjected to a judicious application of Force to end their reign of manipulative terror. You will most often find these types dressed in fine clothes living a very wealthy life; well protected by government resources through their psychological manipulation of a largely uneducated and ignorant population.
Fixed. However much I must agree with you.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:01:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Sephra Star on 07/03/2008 18:07:16
As a side note. Due to the treatment those CHILDREN received by the soldiers it is likely they have suffered irrepairable psychological damage that in all liklihood will one day result in a backlash of violent reprisal by them when they are older and capable of violence on a far more grand scale that will likely result in the death of others as the cycle of vilence continues for what we are being told is a war that will last 100 years.
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