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Lallante	Posted - 2004.04.07 17:51:00 - [1] I have recently been playing another new MMORPG (cough Lineage2 cough), and while it has been fun (more so than my current daily life in Eve), I can see a MASSIVE difference in the complexity depth and width of the two games. When you think about it, Eve Plays with the immersion of a Single player game but with the freeplay and depth of any of the best MMORPGs. Sometimes the game frustrates us, but seriously, we should count our blessings. The Way eve works allows for totally unique charchters and gameplay, whereas something like Lineage2, at Level12Mage Im doing exactly the same thing every other Level12MAge did before me, using exactly the same equipment and earning exactly the same amount of money with the same skills. If Eve had something that made it more INTRINSICLY fun, as well as its intellectual and creative superiority, It would easily hold the title of the greatest most ambitious and incredible game of all time. Any ideas? I was thinking something along the lines of Gaining 'packets' of skillpoints for doing difficult tasks (kill a BS: 1000 SPs to spend, skipping an hours learning, Earn 10millISK trading in 2 hours, another 1000 to spend). This would also mean that someone who afk mines 23 hours a day PHYSICALLY could not have better combat skills than someone like me, who PvPs 12 hours a day. At the moment, since I cant really risk Implants, a lot of miners have better combat skills than me, even tho many havnt EVER shot at anything bigger than an NPC cruiser. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Slippery Frigate	Posted - 2004.04.07 17:54:00 - [2] thinkks some1 got wtfpwn3d by a m1ner!!11111
nails	Posted - 2004.04.07 17:59:00 - [3] IMO, Lineage is not eve, I like the fact that eve is different from all the other treadmill stuff out there. However I do like Lineage PVP system better. There really are not cops or anything. If you take a smack by someone anywhere in the game that person turns purple for a certain period of time making them free to attack by everyone for a few seconds as long as they don't attack anyone else. If you kill someone you go negative on karma and turn red. I think each time your killed while red you reduce your negative karma by 100. I think that would be awsome! Of course that would change the rule system of the game, and it wouldn't be very "space" realistic but still :) ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Lallante	Posted - 2004.04.07 18:39:00 - [4] I have not been wtfpwned by a miner and doubt i ever will be. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Rygel	Posted - 2004.04.07 18:48:00 - [5] Lineage 2 has a decent pvp system but it does have "cops" while red guards will attack and you can't buy in shops. I stepped away from eve for a long time, coming back now. I've played about every mmorpg worth its salt, pvp based and otherwise. To be honest in the end it all wears down and becomes old. There are only so many time that you can kill the l337 peeps before it becomes old and without a complex system, the game becomes to easy and the l337 peeps come out (I consider them the equivalent to hacker script kidies). no real skill following a template and abuseing bugs. Eve is a decent game, I am back it deffinately holds its own on the mmorpg side. RygeL Newb
Hergeir Mar	Posted - 2004.04.07 19:00:00 - [6] U HAVE BEEN PLAYING ANOTHER GAME Let's all throw rock at Lallante like in pakistan (or some)
The Monk	Posted - 2004.04.07 19:35:00 - [7] I must admit eve is starting to get old for me... PvP is slowly becoming less frequent. I have been playing UT2004 a lot lately and find it awesome I love the Onslaught game mode where you can use vehicles in UT. Very good fun. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Hergeir Mar	Posted - 2004.04.08 03:06:00 - [8] I have to agree with you Monk, somtimes I thing, is this realy all, is this all the game has to offer+ And after that I got and take my pills
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.04.08 03:56:00 - [9] I dont even log on anymore, both my accounts have skills that wont finish for weeks. I think ive sort of gotten all i can out of this game. Ive seen every disaster and been to every event, played every profession and gathered all the good items. In a few months when titans, player owned stations and new battleships will be in i might start playing again, at the moment im not even sure the CCP devs are even working on the game any more. Anyone else feel like nothing is happening? 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.04.08 05:05:00 - [10] Totaly agree with Vegeta. I think this is like the pre-castor days. I rember feeling the same way then.
Bogenhagen	Posted - 2004.04.08 05:18:00 - [11] I've recently came back to EVE after being out for 6 months and it's much improved and I never realised how much I missed it. EVE has ruined all other MMO's that require a treadmill to gain skills (every other game out there). I like the fact that I can earn my living, fight, and just chat without worrying what NPC I need to fight to gain X amount of XP to get to lvl 40 quickest or what ore to mine to get the best gain for my mining skill. But EVE can get boring, no doubt...but that's the same with all games. I'm looking forward to Guild Wars when I get tired of EVE and need a break...mainly due to the fact that it'll be the first MMO with no monthly fee, so I can come and go from it at will.
Vanaaa	Posted - 2004.04.08 07:07:00 - [12] I presume most of you are power-player-type of chars? I dont't think there's any game in the Universe that can keep you hooked over hours and hours, days and month.. I think it's only normal, that after having spend a certain amount of time with even the most fascinating game/toy/tool.. it will get normal and then boring. What you can do about that is for example spend less time to play this game(maybe 10 hours a week max) and so it takes ages to get where you get in a day or two. take a timeout and do/play something totally different and after some time, dig that old game out of the box and be fascinated again for some time, then put it away again.. rinse and repeat.. the latter is excatly what I do with the toys of my kids... Things that where just plain boring are suddenly all the rage again, if you put them away for a couple of weeks and then dig them out again
Prodigious	Posted - 2004.04.08 07:14:00 - [13] i didnt like lineage 2 at all. the gameplay is too freakin linear (oh, the irony). it's a level grind and every char type of the same level is gasp the same (1 lvl 12 mage is the same as the other skill-wise; lvl 45 abyss walker is the same as another, etc) no freedom in that game. played it for 3 weeks, went back to eve, which i already started missing.
Synex	Posted - 2004.04.08 07:57:00 - [14] There are pros and cons to each type of game... I'll see if I can list them here. EVE Pros * Characters are all uniquely special in their skills * No level grind * The depth of the game L2 PROs * Class specialisation makes every character worthwhile (IE Dwarf Crafters, Mage Healers etc) * The crafting system is about 1 million time better than Eve * Some equipment is just so crazy expensive + difficult to get, it's only within the reach of dedicated power players * The difficulty reaching L70 means, if anyone does it, it is a testiment to the amount of time and effort they have put in. For me, the thing that is lacking in Eve is a sense of achievement for us 'high-levelers'. For me, playing a MMORPG is all about working together with friends to attain wealth and status, and I think that counts for a lot of people. However, it is to easy for us to attain that 'end game' stage. There really is no reason for anyone to get a +10.0 standing with a faction, or to get more than about 1Bil ISK of personal funds. And really, for a power gamer that is very easy. It took a team of 3 people 50 days of playing 20 hrs a day to max out their character in L2. Now THAT is a lot of playing. Also, there is a lack of specialistion in the skills area. True, each character is unique in the fact that no-one else has it's skill set. But how many of us, have EVERY skill trained up to a decent level? And the only truly specilised skill (Deep Core Mining) is completely pointless. Not that I want to complain to much, the levelling treadmill in L2 has reminded me just how fortunate we are. Tho I would like to see an element of true hard work be put into Eve, just to give us all something to aspire for, and make the achievement when we get their outstanding. Synex Anyone think of any more?
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.04.08 08:17:00 - [15] Ive tried L2 and i think its crap, for the same reasons listed above. I dont mind grinding, it can be fun and when you hit a milestone it usually feels very good. Thats why im playing to be a jedi in SWG. 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2004.04.08 08:49:00 - [16] Don't the forum rules forbid talk of other games? However, one of the things I like most in EVE compared to other online games are exactly the kill system - you are not required to do any particular thing, to gain skills. This way, you don't have to think about any other concerns than what you want to be in game when deciding about what to do. Granted, this means you don't even need to do anything to gain skills. But succeeding in e.g. PvP against opponents of any battle skills is, I think, not only about the theoretical skills but also takes practice, so someone who just sits afk and mines and raises his/her skills will not be on the level of someone who actually puts those skills to use and gets some actual fighting experience. Same with marketting - to be succesful you actually have to understand the markets, not just sit there and mindlessly mine. Also, EVEs system of cops I find nice. It gives leeway to PvP in all areas to a limited extent, but does not force anyone to PvP if they don't want to - if you don't want to PvP'ed agaist, stay out of lo-sec systems and corporations with wars on them. Simple. Other games might have other systems, and if you like them better, go play the other games. Personally, I like EVE's way and would not like to see it changed. :)
Dau Imperius	Posted - 2004.04.08 11:25:00 - [17] I'm just glad pvp-players only are getting bored. Leaves plenty more for us normal players to do. EVE is still kicking and it's not because your shooting all the time.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.08 11:37:00 - [18] I took a bit of break from EVE as so many in the corp I belong to, we all came back at simular times and decided to change a bit of tactics in our gameplay. Its like playing a different game and in a good way I love mining. *Spawn of the Devil*
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.08 11:39:00 - [19] Quote: I'm just glad pvp-players only are getting bored. Leaves plenty more for us normal players to do. EVE is still kicking and it's not because your shooting all the time. I beg the differ, like I have always said, if there is no killing there is no loss, if there is no loss there is no need for new stuff, if there is no need for new stuff there is no fun for the casual player. *Spawn of the Devil*
Finn Macha	Posted - 2004.04.08 12:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Finn Macha on 08/04/2004 12:15:23 I returned to EVE after taking several months off. During that period of time I played SWG and FF11. I liked certain aspects of each, but the leveling grind was just to damn long and boring. I mean it gets old quick killing that bunny rabbit or worm for the 500th time. I left both and returned to EVE. EVE is much improved from when I left months ago. Loving it now. Oh, I forgot I have tried out Lineage 2 (there you are killing Coyotes) and it is anothing more than FF11 with PvP. End story. Space reserved for future signature.
Sundri Elaption	Posted - 2004.04.08 12:41:00 - [21] Also something i like is in eve that the n00bs that just joined the game starting from scratch can level them selfs relativaly faster than we did in 7 months, with already implants ingame, and soon"tm" also advanced learning skills what will aloow tem 2 make up in a way lost time when we started playing EVE.
Caleb Ayrania	Posted - 2004.04.08 14:26:00 - [22] EVE is potentially the game above all games.. Problem really is that some of what makes it so grand has been placed on the backburners and arent optimally utilized.. The number one imho, is the MARKET. It is extremely powerfull because of the way its constructed. Open yet not totally transperant. It just has one flaw that is the reason it isnt used more, its static pricewise instead of semi-intelligent and dynamic. This sadly is reflected in the entire game, once this is either removed or slowly put in the hands of players EVE will really start showing its worth. Second. The diversity of ship setups, and the ways to optimize both for functions or cost effeciency etc is HUGE in EVE, the only thing keeping this part on the belly is that CCP has not focused enough on letting the "chaosball" roll. More meta items with more advantages, and maybe some mean disadvantages would really make the setups more interesting, also maybe adding something like set items with special added bonus, or even skills specially for item classes would really stir the pot. These things would make wars more based on economics and logistics and less on what group has most 24/7 players. It would also make any group potentially dangerous, because you never would know what manner of equipment they were using, and thus scanners would be even more usefull and intel and espionage would maybe get a new carreer to emerge.. Well many things really could result in more focus in these directions.. and we are still waiting and hoping for the tools for corps and bigbiz peeps, like stocks and working tax. These however sound like they are rather close.. My 2 ISK anyways..
Val Amon	Posted - 2004.04.08 17:35:00 - [23] I like Eve because the only thing you gain by playing is isk. You can gain isk by selling stuff while not eve playing so its about playing smarter not longer. Its good for the older people that have jobs and stuff. But if I played Lineage 2 I could be level 19 or 20 if I played 8 - 18 hours a day and never logged off the server since you can almost never get into the one you were on yesterday. SCREW THAT! _ _ How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor? 3, 1 to wire it and 2 to talk about how the old one was better.
Sarae	Posted - 2004.04.08 19:10:00 - [24] I too am giving lineage 2 a go atm. Having made it to a lvl 18 DE fighter I'm finding it exceedingly difficult to stay interested. There just doesn't seem to be any challenge to playing, apart from having to dedicate time to it. EVE really is a class above the rest imo.
ZzeusS	Posted - 2004.04.08 19:44:00 - [25] I think I got to level 5 in both Human and Dark Elf before I dumped it :) IBTO
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.04.08 20:35:00 - [26] Quote: Quote: I'm just glad pvp-players only are getting bored. Leaves plenty more for us normal players to do. EVE is still kicking and it's not because your shooting all the time. I beg the differ, like I have always said, if there is no killing there is no loss, if there is no loss there is no need for new stuff, if there is no need for new stuff there is no fun for the casual player. I think you nailed it Omniwar. There have to be some losers or there can be no winners. Shamis
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.08 20:49:00 - [27] Quote: I dont even log on anymore, both my accounts have skills that wont finish for weeks. I think ive sort of gotten all i can out of this game. Ive seen every disaster and been to every event, played every profession and gathered all the good items. In a few months when titans, player owned stations and new battleships will be in i might start playing again, at the moment im not even sure the CCP devs are even working on the game any more. Anyone else feel like nothing is happening? I think that's smart thinking on CCPs part, actually walking away from this game completely is not likely. You set a really big skill to train, or occasionally log in to switch training, and take a break for a while. When you come back it's all fresh again, you remember why you love this game so much, and there's new content to play with. In other MMOGs taking a break like that you're ages behind everyone that continued playing. Keeping powergamers entertained is just not possible, I remember the first really really bad mission in EnB it took like 70 hours to complete for the first time ( it got easier when you did it again and knew the where and how ) but I did that in 3 days ( and I know people that managed to do it in one stretch immediatly after the patch completing it even faster ) powergamers will get bored. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Rangar	Posted - 2004.04.09 06:37:00 - [28] I went off from Everquest last September, when I started to play EVE. If I would really think about going back, I would have no chance. I was in a so called raidguild and I wouldn¦t be able to play with them anymore due to all the "keys" and "flags" I don¦t have. Everquest makes it very hard for you to leave, but nearly impossible to come back. Greetings Rangar

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