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Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 10:58:00 - [1] "Govern" comes from the Latin word "gubernare" and/or the Greek "kubernan" which means "To control". "ment" comes from the Greek word "mente" meaning "mind" All told the word "Government" literally means "Mind Control". A New World Order (Novus Ordo Mundi) refers to a plan in which a powerful and secretive group is to be conspiring to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles. In the new world order, many significant occurrences are caused by a powerful secret group. Historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to rule the world primarily through a combination of political finance, social engineering, mind control, and fear-based propaganda (Terrorism). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy)
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.06 11:06:00 - [2] That Etymology is worse than Politics: Poli, from Poly - Many Tics, as in - blood sucking parasites. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.06 11:16:00 - [3] The google-fu is weak with this one... For those that can't even be bothered to click a link (hint to OP, people ARE that lazy, so not bothering to linkify is a silly mistake, but in your case I don't mind) it actually came from a word meaning "to steer", and the -ment ending is just to make a noun from verb stems. - Originally by: Sephra Star I know beyond any reasonable doubt that my pot of stew is finally warm.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 12:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 12:04:31 Originally by: Kyrall Originally by: Sephra Star -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know beyond any reasonable doubt that my pot of stew is finally warm. Warm is just right. Ever read Goldylocks and the three bears? If it was too hot I would likely not be allowed to live long enough to eat it. Too bad the vast majority of the world is eating their stew cold. GOVERN:As in STEER/PILOT/RUDDER ie to CONTROL the direction of a ship/boat. -ment(English Etymology) From the Late Latin -mentum http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ment But just to reiterate, I will admit "government" does NOT mean "mind control" in any etymological sense. The suffix "-ment" is derived from the latin mentum, which was merely a utility suffix for making a verb into a noun. The "ment" you see in "mental" comes from the latin mens (and Late Latin mentalis) which does in fact mean "mind" but which is never used as a suffix. In any event as an old school Mental Alchemist; an adept of the Hermetic Science I also know that there are no such things as accidents, or coincedences in the Cosmos. The reality is that the the -ment in Government for the purpose on this planet at this time does in fact mean mind. If you could comprehend and learn the true nature of schizophrenia as I do then you too would be able to understand that accidents and coincedences are actually directed through the Cosmic Control Center by E.C.C.O. "There exists a Cosmic Control Center (C.C.C.) with a Galactic substation called Galactic Coincidence Control (G.C.C.). Within which is the Solar System Control Unit (S.S.C.U.), within which is the Earth Coincidence Control Office (E.C.C.O.). The assignments of responsiblities from the top to the bottom of this system of control is by a set of regulations, which translated by E.C.C.O. for humans is somewhat as follows:" http://67.55.50.201/lilly/eccox.html
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.06 12:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Sephra Star If you could comprehend and learn the true nature of schizophrenia as I do then you too would be able to understand that accidents and coincedences are actually directed through the Cosmic Control Center by E.C.C.O. This is getting better by the day! Keep it up mate, you are making my day much more entertaining! - Originally by: Sephra Star I know beyond any reasonable doubt that my pot of stew is finally warm.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 12:20:00 - [6] Never let be said that this Dolphin does not have a sense of humour. Can you think of a better way to get people to listen than to make it entertaining. Even if you don't take the warnings serious right now our hope is that your awareness as modified by these crazy sounding rantings will help to make what is really happening to planet Earth visable to you in time for you to GOVERN yourselves away from the titanic iceburg you are all navigating towards.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 12:57:00 - [7] Let's assume for a moment that this "New World Order" thing would be indeed true. Now, would it be a BAD thing ? If I had the power to do something, I'd only HELP it come to fruition rather than stop it. People in general are pretty stupid, and they'd deserve nothing more than a bit of mind-control. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 13:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Akita T Let's assume for a moment that this "New World Order" thing would be indeed true. Now, would it be a BAD thing ? If I had the power to do something, I'd only HELP it come to fruition rather than stop it. People in general are pretty stupid, and they'd deserve nothing more than a bit of mind-control. You're a fool. Really. Read again what you just wrote and then beat yourself to death for the betterment of mankind.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 13:09:00 - [9] What, I'd make a good mad dictator ? Why, thank you ! 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 13:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T Let's assume for a moment that this "New World Order" thing would be indeed true. Now, would it be a BAD thing ? If I had the power to do something, I'd only HELP it come to fruition rather than stop it. People in general are pretty stupid, and they'd deserve nothing more than a bit of mind-control. http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=1509&aid= Notice the clearly visible VAMPIRIC FANGS. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm Originally by: Rosa Rosette get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life! Which is exactly what this New World Order Government has made plans to do to the vast majority of us in order to depopulate the planet.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Sephra Star get used to it, we are all just well educated animals who would kill any day to have a better lot in life! Which is exactly what this New World Order Government has made plans to do to the vast majority of us in order to depopulate the planet. This is all old news. Read up on Machiavelli's philosophies and get back to us if you've got something new.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:31:00 - [12] Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 15:37:49 Originally by: Sephra Star in order to depopulate the planet We're overcrowded and killing the environment anyway, and show no signs of slowing down nor stopping. We can either spread out to other worlds (hmm, guess we don't have the necessary technology yet), or we can drastically reduce the world population until we can do that (spread out). The alternative is death through "starvation" (both actual food and general natural resources... we simply can't sustain such numbers from 100% renewable resources only). I'd nuke 90% of the world population out of existance if it wouldn't cause such an environmental mess. A nice deadly disease outbreak would do the trick too, I guess, but keeping it from killing most of the rest would be tricky. Wars would be a nice choice... we don't have nearly enough of them to do enough damage though, we should get more... any reason to wage war is just as good as any other, I guess, so we might just do it for no reason whatsoever too. We are on the top of the food chain, but with direct ties to just about EVERY possible level of the food chain, so if one component breaks down, we don't... we'll only collapse when the whole ecosystem is almost completely and irreversably damaged. Between the 99++% death of the human race as a whole in a not-so-distant future, or the death of 90-95% of living humans on the planet in an even less distant future, I'd pick the latter any time of the day. What would you pick ? And no, you can't "save everybody". Sorry. The gentlest possible way would be some disease that causes high infertility rates for a generation, maybe two... or some "can't have more than one kid or you'll die" disease for a few generations more. ___ What's the worst it can happend anyway ? The end of human society ? End of human life ? We're heading that way anyway, might as well speed up the process if there's any chance of recovery. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T And no, you can't "save everybody". Sorry. The gentlest possible way would be some disease that causes high infertility rates for a generation, maybe two... or some "can't have more than one kid or you'll die" disease for a few generations more. Mandatory worldwide visectomy of all new born males would do the trick. Not that much different than a circumcision.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 15:55:21 Originally by: Sephra Star Mandatory worldwide visectomy of all new born males would do the trick. Not that much different than a circumcision. That would be "extinction", not population control. Although vasectomies aren't 100% fool-proof for regular sex, so you might not see a complete extinction. And if some couple would want to get a baby, they could still do that quite easily, it's not like it's impossible to collect sperm from a vasectomised male, or that artificial fertilisation would be impossible (even with primitive tools, it would still be possible). People by nature are both altruistic and selfish to some degree. Altruism helped us survive as a race, selfishness made our ancestors get born instead of somebody else. You can't have 100% altruist people in a "normal" population, and you can't have 100% selfish people in a population, or you doom the race... a mix of both is required. As such, you could never convince mankind as a WHOLE that this would be necessary. Would YOU not have kids because you're told you're either not good enough to, or that you failed the "can have kids" lottery ? If you probably would, do you think some lower-class guy that comes from a family of 8 and works in the docks as an unloader would ? As time progressed and we, as a race, became more and more "dominant", the importance of the "altruist" factor diminished and the importance of the "selfish" factor grew out of proportion. More and more people (as a percentage) are increasingly selfish and self-absorbed, less and less truly "helpfull" people (as a genetic predisposition) come into being. Our own superiority is causing our own deterioration. You have to FORCE people to do what's good for humankind, preferably without their knowledge so they can't protest or get funny ideas, even if it's bad for them. Originally by: Sephra Star The ones controling this New World Order are PURE EVIL. They revel in causing death, destruction, pain, and suffering. Ok, this particular accusation is completely different, and has absolutely nothing to do with what we talked about so far (or at least with what I talked about, anyway). Now, how can you even begin to prove THAT one ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sheepactivator	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:57:00 - [15] It is written in stone that the pupulation of earth never to rise above 150 milion. In war your job is to kill and die and if you are lucky you survive, if you are very lucky you only receive mild trauma. There is still time. Web has not been taken from us yet. They are hard at work tho. And no the world richest person is not the one they quote in the news. Far from it.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Ok, this particular accusation is completely different, and has absolutely nothing to do with what we talked about so far (or at least with what I talked about, anyway). Now, how can you even begin to prove THAT one ? Do you by any chance live in a BUBBLE?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:00:00 - [17] Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 16:04:49 Originally by: Sephra Star ]Do you by any chance live in a BUBBLE? Nope. I'm merely saying that even the purest intentions, dripped down through long command chains, down to inept and cruel "agents" that act on those orders (which might be just harsh, but necessary in order to "save" something) can appear to an outside observer as evil and perverted. I am asking you to prove it's not that, but malicious intent. And I gave you the "amputation" example in the edit which you missed. Originally by: Sephra Star The right to bear new children can be done by lottery Like I said... Quote: Would YOU not have kids because you're told you're either not good enough to, or that you failed the "can have kids" lottery ? If you probably would, do you think some lower-class guy that comes from a family of 8 and works in the docks as an unloader would ? That about covers it. Heck, I would LOVE a law that says you have to have a permit to have kids. Just like the Chinese did. Think it would work in the USA ? I really doubt that. What about Africa ? I doubt it even more. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:12:18 Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:11:36 Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 16:02:36 Originally by: Sephra Star ]Do you by any chance live in a BUBBLE? Nope. I'm merely saying that even the purest intentions, dripped down through long command chains, down to inept and cruel "agents" that act on those orders (which might be just harsh, but necessary in order to "save" something) can appear to an outside observer as evil and perverted. I am asking you to prove it's not that, but malicious intent. And I gave you the "amputation" example in the edit which you missed. Originally by: Sephra Star The right to bear new children can be done by lottery Like I said... Quote: Would YOU not have kids because you're told you're either not good enough to, or that you failed the "can have kids" lottery ? If you probably would, do you think some lower-class guy that comes from a family of 8 and works in the docks as an unloader would ? That about covers it. They are evil; pure, plain, and simple. They have prooven themselves so for generations. They are self serving power mongers who care only for their own survival and regard the vast majority of other people as inferior cattle. I would actually prefer the human race to become completely extinct than to see such monsters inherit the earth and repopulate with it with more of their kind. Unfortunately for all humanity that is exactly what will happen. You see I happen to know for certain that somehow what they are planning to do is going to back fire with uncontrollable results. A mild form of visectomy with proper research can be performed at birth.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:12:00 - [19] Translation, knowing about it won't help, there's nothing you can do about, they're too powerfull to stop, and anybody who could have a chance to stop them is in league with them. So why bother ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Akita T Translation, knowing about it won't help, there's nothing you can do about, they're too powerfull to stop, and anybody who could have a chance to stop them is in league with them. So why bother ? Because its my job. I was not joking about E.C.C.O.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:25:00 - [21] I'm not joking either... whatever comes, comes as a direct result of how we are (or rather said, have become). If it's all true, and if it's all going to backfire horribly, well, that was it. Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Akita T Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species. My money is on the bees.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:30:29 Originally by: Akita T I'm not joking either... whatever comes, comes as a direct result of how we are (or rather said, have become). If it's all true, and if it's all going to backfire horribly, well, that was it. Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species. Thats the worst part of all of it and the only reason E.C.C.O. bothered intervening at all. It is in fact the other more intelligent life forms on the planet who asked E.C.C.O. to interfer in human affairs to try and prevent what is going to happen. What happens to humans happens to all life on the planet and that will cause ripples all across the Cosmos.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:35:00 - [24] So, other than "being rational and not surprised by anything" (which I tend to be constantly anyway), what else is there to do ? Pretty much nothing, it seems. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:37:00 - [25] I haven't been this amused since I found a DvD rewinder Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Akita T Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species. My money is on the bees. It is interesting you said that. The human species has been through this phase of evolution we are at numerous times before. Each time it has gotten to a point of intolarability for nature to put up with a new species of insect was born of the human race. The Honey Bees were the ones that came the closest of all other sentient civilizations to avoiding the final catastrophe. E.C.C.O. is offering this civilization one last chance to avoid the same fate. That is why some humans like myself who have agreed to their terms are being allowed to communicate with you.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Sephra Star Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Akita T Maybe some other animal that doesn't even exist yet will do better as a sentient species. My money is on the bees. It is interesting you said that. The human species has been through this phase of evolution we are at numerous times before. Each time it has gotten to a point of intolarability for nature to put up with a new species of insect was born of the human race. The Honey Bees were the ones that came the closest of all other sentient civilizations to avoiding the final catastrophe. Huh? To my knowledge the human species only evolved once and did not reach some "point" of evolution only to be undone and start again. Second we were never insects except perhaps at some amazingly distant point on the very, very early evolutionary ladder where we may have had a common ancestor (like something just past an amoeba). Third, humans never evolved anything like bee society. At least I have never heard of humans possessing a hive mind and hive society.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:59:00 - [28] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 16:59:56 It is not surprising at all that you never heard of it. Think of planet earth as a Black Board in a class room, or a laboratory if you prefer. If the experiment fails the black board gets erased yet again and the whole process restarts with no trace of what existed before except for one more new species of insect who ends up with the seemingly eternal punishment of being stepped upon by the next group of sentients who end up becoming insects too if they fail. The cycle will go on for eternity until the experiment succeeds in creating a sentient species to populate the stars. That is in essence how the Cosmos grows.
benzss Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:03:00 - [29] The etymology is fairly irrelevant anyway. 'Govern' has its own meaning in English, and from that meaning we derive our word 'government'. For all intents and purposes, the roots of the word are not particularly important.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Sephra Star If the experiment fails the black board gets erased yet again and the whole process restarts with no trace of what existed before except for one more new species of insect who ends up with the seemingly eternal punishment of being stepped upon by the next group of sentients who end up becoming insects too if they fail. Ahh! Convenient. Absolutely zero proof or any data for that matter to back up your assertion and all the data that does exist is apparently some massive scam to hoodwink the populace. Sign me up.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:12:00 - [31] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 17:14:45 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Ahh! Convenient. Absolutely zero proof or any data for that matter to back up your assertion and all the data that does exist is apparently some massive scam to hoodwink the populace. Sign me up. Actually there is evidence all around you. All it takes is an open mind to see it. In addition there are other more intelligent life forms than humans on this planet you could communicate with to verify all of this if you were not so primitive.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 17:14:45 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Ahh! Convenient. Absolutely zero proof or any data for that matter to back up your assertion and all the data that does exist is apparently some massive scam to hoodwink the populace. Sign me up. Actually there is evidence all around you. All it takes is an open mind to see it. In addition there are other more intelligent life forms than humans on this planet you could communicate with to verify all of this if you were not so primitive. Actually they are all part of the conspiracy because my sources from a dimension outside ours told me so. If you were more advanced I could have you talk to them but alas they would fry your mind so you'll just have to take my word for it.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:33:00 - [33] I am more inclined to think the above poster is a Lurker Alien I realy don't have a name. I just am. You can call me Iam for short. I am a good hearted Alien from Alpha Centaury. I traveled to your solar system by way of the Cosmic Stream and became stranded here over 15 years ago. I was doing a survey of an uncharted solar system when my space ship was hit by a meteor particle. It caused an explosion resulting in a catastrophic chain reaction in the fuel cells. The ship was destroyed. My consciousness escaped in the nick of time just prior to the implosion and by sheer chance I found my way to your planet avoiding evaporation and absorption into a black hole which should have been my fate by any odds of realistic computation. By some fluke I ended up in this body while the host was engaged in metaphysical research during one of his explorations into altered states of consciousness. I managed to settle in and integrate myself into his conscious mind by using the ideas in your planets science fiction novels to get him to accept the reality of my existence. One of our connections was made from a book called "Illusions" that had this character named Donald Shimoto; the Reluctant Messiah. It was written by Richard Bach; the author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull. In return for his good natured acceptance in allowing our co-habitation I have shown him things few humans have ever seen. I even gave him a peek at one of his past lives when he swam the Pacific Ocean as a Dolphin. Now here is the problem. These aliens are ethereal beings and they take over human bodies and destroy the inhabiting human consciousness. Make no mistake; they are evil parasites. They are totally unlike my species who prefer to act in harmony with our host. In many ways it is like on your television series called Star Gate. Now we got us a real war on people. I need some help. Odds are there are some lurker aliens reading this too. They may even post responses calling me crazy so that none of you will believe me. Don't listen to them. Its for real people. I am warning you now that you need to listen and believe it when I tell you we are all in deep trouble. Time is running out. We need to act quick. Who is with me? You will also note the television shows that are being shown. There is one called Armageddon. I saw a caption for it the other day. I don't watch TV because it is one of the weapons the aliens are using to defeat you. It is a form of brainwashing. You see they are creating these shows that depict what is really going on and the effect is that the idea that it is really happening is hidden from your conscious mind because once you start seeing reality as a science fiction show you loose the ability to distinguish the reality from the fantasy. Its a mind game. You will note that the first thing done after the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan was that televisions were dug up and reintroduced into their society to bring the people back under control. Do not attempt to adjust the dial; we are in control. Sit back and relax and you will be transported into the Twilight Zone where you will become mentally suspended and incapable of independent thought. Think about it. Wake up. Quit watching TV.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Sephra Star Do not attempt to adjust the dial; we are in control. Sit back and relax and you will be transported into the Twilight Zone where you will become mentally suspended and incapable of independent thought. Think about it. Wake up. Quit watching TV. "We"? Don't you mean "they"? Not a likely slipup for an advanced being. More likely you are the very thing you are warning us against. If you were who you say you are it would be trivially easy to display some tidbit of advanced knowledge that could be verified by any respectable scientist anywhere. Not enough to destabilize society with advanced knowledge but enough to confirm. You're slipping fast in your arguments.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:48:00 - [35] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Sephra Star Do not attempt to adjust the dial; we are in control. Sit back and relax and you will be transported into the Twilight Zone where you will become mentally suspended and incapable of independent thought. Think about it. Wake up. Quit watching TV. "We"? Don't you mean "they"? Not a likely slipup for an advanced being. More likely you are the very thing you are warning us against. If you were who you say you are it would be trivially easy to display some tidbit of advanced knowledge that could be verified by any respectable scientist anywhere. Not enough to destabilize society with advanced knowledge but enough to confirm. You're slipping fast in your arguments. I was quoting the words from an easily recognizable television show to make a point and draw an analogy. If you want a reference to a Scientist I suggest you consider the words of a former President of Harvard University by the name of William James. In a book he wrote called "The Varieties of Religious Experience" "Only one thought occured to my mind at the time and that thought has ever since remained unchanged. That is that waking conciousness; the concious mind is only form of conciousness whilst all about us veiled by the filmiest of screens there lay other forms of potential conciousness. Apply the requisite stimulus and they are there in all their completeness. No account of the Cosmos would be complete which would leave these other forms of conciousness quite disregarded." When this host rediscovered what it was William James was refering to it allowed our joining and first contact with E.C.C.O.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 17:59:26 As far as respectable scientists go; the fact that other advanced life forms capable of communication with humans exist on this planet has already been prooved and aknowleged by many respectable scientists on this planet by the man the United States Navy enlisted to inititiate their Dolphin program. He shot them a bird and walked off with his knowledge when they stabbed him in the back and started strapping bombs on them. http://www.johnclilly.com/
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Sephra Star If you want a reference to a Scientist I suggest you consider the words of a former President of Harvard University by the name of William James. I think calling him a scientist is stretching things more than a little. He was more of a philosopher. And I find his "Will to Believe Doctrine" rather unusable. Not saying his writings and thoughts are not worth studying...they are...but hardly definitive support for your hypothesis. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!" ------
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 17:59:26 As far as respectable scientists go; the fact that other advanced life forms capable of communication with humans exist on this planet has already been prooved and aknowleged by many respectable scientists on this planet by the man the United States Navy enlisted to inititiate their Dolphin program. He shot them a bird and walked off with his knowledge when they stabbed him in the back and started strapping bombs on them. http://www.johnclilly.com/ Define "communicate". I communicate rather well with my dog and she communicates to me as well. However, I would not describe it as a meaningful exchange of ideas. "I need to go ****" is quite useful for her to communicate but hardly profound. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!" ------
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:06:00 - [39] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 18:08:34 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Sephra Star If you want a reference to a Scientist I suggest you consider the words of a former President of Harvard University by the name of William James. I think calling him a scientist is stretching things more than a little. He was more of a philosopher. And I find his "Will to Believe Doctrine" rather unusable. Not saying his writings and thoughts are not worth studying...they are...but hardly definitive support for your hypothesis. You obviously are not aware of his experiments. I on the other hand am more than aware of them as I have repeated them to verifify his findings. William James is in fact "The Father of Modern Day Psychiatry".
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:19:00 - [40] Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 18:24:11 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h "I need to go pooop" is quite useful for her to communicate but hardly profound. Perhaps that is about as much as your limited brain and perception are capable of comprehending. Too bad for you. Communication is many things. Chief among them would be an exchange of thoughts and ideas.

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