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Atalius Vinelgo
Caldari
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:33:00 -
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Since the search engine in this forum blows...
What do you guys think about the Golem.. I will be flying one in 30 days and I want to see some comments..
You guys think it is a beast for pvp or is it just pve oriented? I've heard it can take on 3 BS's at once....true?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:41:00 -
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Same DPS output as a regular Raven, but better application, especialy with torps (bonus to TPs and expvelo).
Significantly better tank, due to better cap recharge (both rigged or unrigged) and all relevant shield stats.
Easier to fit too.
Big problem with sensor strength, so one decent ECM boat against you, or an enemy using ECM drones, and you're pretty much toast in PvP if you're using torps like you should.
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Atalius Vinelgo
Caldari
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:57:00 -
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Thank you very much..
In other words, if I see something as little as a Blackbird, turn tail and run!! lol
Other then that, take em out!! :)
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:00:00 -
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If you have to ask about one you shouldn't be flying one.
Proof once again that skill points are no reflection on skill...
Violence isn't the answer, it is the question.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Kehmor
If you have to ask about one you shouldn't be flying one.
Proof once again that skill points are no reflection on skill...
i have to agree with kehmor tbh.
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Atalius Vinelgo
Caldari
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:12:00 -
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I thought I mentioned I am 30 days from flying one... Which is why I am asking..
Maybe you should re-read the OP?
Thanks for trying your best at being a jackass, your good at it :)
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:18:00 -
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it is a nice ship for pve and it realy shines with gist boosters and faction cruises/bcu, but i wouldnt take aship, which is worth several billions into pvp, where it can be jammed by 1 blackbird or even a set of medium ecm drones.
for pve it is the best
Proud member of RTSQ
ps: i dont like to kill innocent ppl, so if i killed u, u rnt innocent
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:19:00 -
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To begin with your question is too general.
You ask if its a great ship without saying what you would really use it for.
You dont really seem to have done any research on the ship apart from lazily asking us.
You dont give us a clue on any potential setups that you would fly it with.
"I've heard it can take on 3 BS's at once....true?"
any ship can tank 3 ibis. What kind of ship in what situation.
Experience that kehmor and myself have accumuulated in this game (which is considerable) tends to show that people posting questions like yours, rush into expensive ships to lose them very quickly.
By telling you to not fly one we are in fact trying to help you, whether you listen to us or not is up to you.
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Tarigal
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:26:00 -
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who cares if hes inexperienced, hes asking about the golem, NOT asking for someone's opinion on his skill level. If no one ever jumped into a new ship inexperienced, where would anybody be. Im interested too about this subject, more USEFUL posts please
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:31:00 -
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General opinion put simply is as kay rissa states
Golem is pve dreamboat that benefits particularly from decent fitting.
Golem isnt great at pvp due to poor sensor strength making it very vulnerable to jamming. also cost rules it out for pvp - cnr better for pvp - normal raven best due to cost.
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Atalius Vinelgo
Caldari
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:36:00 -
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I've gotten all of my skills needed to fly this ship to 4 and 5, most to 5... The only thing I am lacking is speciality in torp skills which will come before I actually do fighting in the Golem.. Right now, I will agree, I am lazily asking.. But I am just wondering what other people think of the Golem mainly, do they like it, is it good for pvp, or just pve.. as far as setups, I will look at those on battleclinic, I don't come here for setups.
Mainly my question was and still is.. what do you think of the golem pvp wise? I just want some opinions thats all.
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Atalius Vinelgo
Caldari
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.06 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
General opinion put simply is as kay rissa states
Golem is pve dreamboat that benefits particularly from decent fitting.
Golem isnt great at pvp due to poor sensor strength making it very vulnerable to jamming. also cost rules it out for pvp - cnr better for pvp - normal raven best due to cost.
and that is exactly what I was looking for.. I will prolly still buy my golem and take it out in groups of friends where I know I will most likely not be running into jamming ships, and if so, they have my back..
Also, through your opinion, you have made my decision to start switching to ravens to pvp casually in :)
Thanks :)
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Niobe
Up in smoke
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Posted - 2008.03.06 22:32:00 -
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golem can stand its ground and dish it out, make sure your in a group.
and good luck!
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.06 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Atalius Vinelgo
Originally by: slothe
General opinion put simply is as kay rissa states
Golem is pve dreamboat that benefits particularly from decent fitting.
Golem isnt great at pvp due to poor sensor strength making it very vulnerable to jamming. also cost rules it out for pvp - cnr better for pvp - normal raven best due to cost.
and that is exactly what I was looking for.. I will prolly still buy my golem and take it out in groups of friends where I know I will most likely not be running into jamming ships, and if so, they have my back..
Also, through your opinion, you have made my decision to start switching to ravens to pvp casually in :)
Thanks :)
Look, it is very simple,you have few friends, you r flying in your shiny new golem, with gist boosters, dg torps, you know, fully pimped golem, few billions spent. You meet hostile gang, what would that gang do ? guess ! They will jam you with drones, ecm whatever, because you r going to be the easiest ship to jam out there, then the kill your friend and after that you r going to die. This is a simple scenario. You r going to loose that ship anyway, because one day someone outblobs you anyway, this is the way of eve !
So i dont see any point of taking such a ship into pvp, just because there is a ship wich cost 30 times less fully fitted and tbh it does exactly the same damage as a golem! In real pvp this ship doesnt have any real purpose, compare to a raven. I understand some ppl flying Bhalgorns fitted with 8 heavy neutraliserz as a support ship for a BS gang, because that ship does have specific bonuses, and golem doesnt.
Proud member of RTSQ
ps: i dont like to kill innocent ppl, so if i killed u, u rnt innocent
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Asestorian
Domination.
UnNatural Selection.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:16:00 -
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The Golem, and Marauders in general, are designed as PvE ships. This is why they have low sensor strength, so that they are difficult to use in PvP as uber solopwnmobiles. In gangs, you don't tend to do a load more damage than a Tech I ship, making it an easy to disable target for killboard gloating. Cost effectiveness is important even if you're rich. Also, I wouldn't suggest taking out a ship that needs several billion invested into it if you rely on Battleclinic for setups  Seriously. Just fly a Raven, you'll probably get more fun out of it in PvP because you are less worried about losing it.
Of course, if you're going for PvE I don't see why you shouldn't take it. The low sensor strength doesn't affect anything as NPCs jam based on a set chance, and the tank makes it easier to go AFK and you're not likely to lose it. Unless of course you fall for a lofty scam.
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NaBeRa
DRUCKWELLE
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:32:00 -
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i cant add something to the topic, but if you¦re looking for a search enginge, try this:
http://eve-search.com/
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CONCORDOKKENED
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
If you have to ask about one you shouldn't be flying one.
Proof once again that skill points are no reflection on skill...
You're an idiot. To what extent does this inane logic extend? If you have to ask about a rifter you shouldn't be flying one? The entire purpose of this forum is to discuss ships. Stupid trolls.
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Dahak2150
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: CONCORDOKKENED
Originally by: Kehmor
If you have to ask about one you shouldn't be flying one.
Proof once again that skill points are no reflection on skill...
You're an idiot. To what extent does this inane logic extend? If you have to ask about a rifter you shouldn't be flying one? The entire purpose of this forum is to discuss ships. Stupid trolls.
Points for effort, if not cognitive ability. A rifer doesn't cost a billion to purchase and fit. If you are capable of generating that kind of money you should know enough to be able to fit it, or at least know how to conduct the research required.
While I do not entirely agree with his response, he has a point.
And you missed it.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Skumy
Gallente
Thunderbird Guard
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:26:00 -
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I don't really understand why you say that the golem as the same dps than a regular revan Akita T ?
Basically the Raven has 6 launchers dealing X damage => 6X damage in total.
the Golem has only 4 launchers, but they are dealing 2X damage => 8X in total.
Can you please explain me why you are saying it's the same dps ?
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Skumy
I don't really understand why you say that the golem as the same dps than a regular revan Akita T ?
Basically the Raven has 6 launchers dealing X damage => 6X damage in total.
the Golem has only 4 launchers, but they are dealing 2X damage => 8X in total.
Can you please explain me why you are saying it's the same dps ?
Golem doesn't have the Raven's ROF bonus.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.07 15:43:00 -
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The other thing to remember is defender spam from npcs. If 1 missle of each volley is popped, on the golem thats a 25% damage reduction while on the raven its ~17%.
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Nu Wa
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Slayton Ford
The other thing to remember is defender spam from npcs. If 1 missle of each volley is popped, on the golem thats a 25% damage reduction while on the raven its ~17%.
Not again.....
I say we make a sticky thread with bold titles at the top of the forum that explains how NPC defenders work.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nu Wa
Originally by: Slayton Ford
The other thing to remember is defender spam from npcs. If 1 missle of each volley is popped, on the golem thats a 25% damage reduction while on the raven its ~17%.
Not again.....
I say we make a sticky thread with bold titles at the top of the forum that explains how NPC defenders work.
OK, how do NPC defenders work? Because Defenders will pop any missile up to and including cruise missiles. Torpedoes need multiple defenders to get popped though.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.03.08 04:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dahak2150 on 08/03/2008 04:42:01
It's chance based for each missile, so say it's a 50% chance. Fire six missiles and you'll lose three. Fire four and you'll lose two.
Now
 3x 1.33 = 4
2x 2 = 4
Leaving you with the same DPS.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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MalVortex
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:31:00 -
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On the sensor strength front, if you fit ECCM, you should wind up with more sensor strength than the base T1 counterparts have. However, your in a T2 BS, so you'll get primaried every time. ECCM will help you somewhat, but really, if a falcon wants you jammed and doesn't care about anyone else, your going to get jammed. In this respect, an ECCM will only make you less of a liability (not remove it completely) - at least your forcing the jammer to use a fair share of jamming power to knock you out.
If cost is no factor (and there is no faction ship you wouldn't prefer to be flying), ECCM does make mauraders an effective PVP boat.
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