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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.07 00:42:00 - [1] With "achuran-like" attributes for the Gallente and Minmatar choices. Don't really care what you do with the Amarr ones, as Khanid (especially cyberknight) is pretty decent already. As for Caldari, I'm not even sure they even need a new bloodline at all, but I guess you can find some gap of skill combinations resulting is some "desirable" attribute spreads that aren't particularly well-covered by any existing bloodlines. Seriously, every damn person on the planet WANTS to pick Achura (just about any ancestry) because of the attributes, or at least Khanid (but only cyberknight). You have a Caldari character overload because of that, and it's about damn time to fix it. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.07 00:44:00 - [2] What? What game are you playing? Let's do this in traditional Eve fashion. Nerf Achura attributes!
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.07 00:49:00 - [3] Why not just alter the existing ones to allow for more reasonable attribute combinations? I mean otherwise people will just have to use the achura bloodline of their own race all the time. Thats an improvement but wouldn't it be great to be able to chose a bloodline for the looks or rp background knowing that you will still have decent attributes? Also all races should have the same number of bloodlines that would include amarr. That being said its indeed a shame. My alt characters are mostly achura because they really are "the best".
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:06:00 - [4] Asians-Online No. I think every bloodline should start with stats of 3 3 3 3 3, and be given the appropriate amount of points, to customize their attributes however they want. I'm sick of seeing Achura everywhere, the Forge looks like Chinatown.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:08:00 - [5] We could do with some new bloodlines anyway, from a RP perspective. Mostly to fill some of the race gaps (all the races in game are either white or Asian, save for the 1 black bloodline; plenty of other niches to fill). And if memory serves me right, there are plenty of backstory candidates: theres at least 1 other Gallente Federation member, at least 1 other Matari tribe, at elast 1 other Amarr-conquered culture, and I'm sure we can rustle up another Caldari one. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:19:00 - [6] Better idea: introduce more Charisma skills to EVE. Watch the Achura players cry
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Patch86 We could do with some new bloodlines anyway, from a RP perspective. Mostly to fill some of the race gaps (all the races in game are either white or Asian, save for the 1 black bloodline; plenty of other niches to fill). And if memory serves me right, there are plenty of backstory candidates: theres at least 1 other Gallente Federation member, at least 1 other Matari tribe, at elast 1 other Amarr-conquered culture, and I'm sure we can rustle up another Caldari one. Do you really feel that the absence of significant numbers of bloodlines with similar appearances to modern races evenly distributed across the various factions serves to promote racial inequity? Because that's what you're implying when you attempt to justify the addition of new bloodlines via the race card. Tell me if you are, because that's a flame I can get in on.
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Better idea: introduce more Charisma skills to EVE. Watch the Achura players cry Yeah, would be cool. Or make them pay when Ambulations comes out, make them elephant humans or something due to lack of charisma. God, that's me rambling.. Must.. Sleep! Enjoy, and fly safe..
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:52:00 - [9] Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 07/03/2008 01:52:52 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Patch86 We could do with some new bloodlines anyway, from a RP perspective. Mostly to fill some of the race gaps (all the races in game are either white or Asian, save for the 1 black bloodline; plenty of other niches to fill). And if memory serves me right, there are plenty of backstory candidates: theres at least 1 other Gallente Federation member, at least 1 other Matari tribe, at elast 1 other Amarr-conquered culture, and I'm sure we can rustle up another Caldari one. Do you really feel that the absence of significant numbers of bloodlines with similar appearances to modern races evenly distributed across the various factions serves to promote racial inequity? Because that's what you're implying when you attempt to justify the addition of new bloodlines via the race card. Tell me if you are, because that's a flame I can get in on. By mentioning "a flame" with such obvious delight are you really advocating arson? Because that's what you're implying. Tell me if you are because even though it couldn't be more offtopic to this lolspaceship thread and forum I TAKE ARSON VERY VERY SERIOUS INDEED, MISTER, AND I WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR WHY. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Stern Maxwell Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.07 01:53:00 - [10] The Ackbar Bloodline. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _________ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ./ ItÆs a trap! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _,,,--~~~~~~~~--,_ . . . . ._________/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,-æ : : : :::: :::: :: : : : : :¦ æ-, . . /. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .,-æ :: : : :::: :::: :::: :::: : : :o : æ-, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,-æ :: ::: :: : : :: :::: :::: :: : : : : :O æ-, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .,-æ : :: :: :: :: :: : : : : : , : : :¦ :::: :::: ::Æ; . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .,-æ / / : :: :: :: :: : : :::: :::-, ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ; . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . /,-æ,Æ :: : : : : : : : : :: :: :: : æ-, ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ;;\| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . /,Æ,-æ :: :: :: :: :: :: :: : ::_,-~~,_Æ-, ;; ;; ;; ;; \| . . . . . . . . . . . . _/ :,Æ :/ :: :: :: : : :: :: _,-æ/ : ,-æ;Æ-æÆÆÆÆ~-, ;; ;; ;;,Æ . . . . . . . . . . . ,-æ / : : : : : : ,-æÆÆ : : :,--æÆ :\|\| /,-æ-æ--æÆÆ__,ÆÆÆ ;; ;,-æ . . . . . . . . . . . :/,, : : : _,-æ --,,_ : : : \|\|/ /,-æ-æx### :: ;;/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . / /---æÆÆÆ : # : : : : : \| \| : (O##¦ : :/ /-æÆ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . /,Æ____ : : æ-# : , : : : : æ-,___,-æ,-`-,, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . æ ) : : : :ÆÆÆÆ--,,--,,,,,,» :: ::--,,_ÆÆ-,,ÆÆÆ» :Æ- :Æ-, . . . . . . . . . . . . . .) : : : : : : ,, : æÆÆÆ~~~~Æ :: :: :: :ÆÆÆÆÆ» :: ,-æ :,/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . .,/ /\|\| \| :/ / : : : : : : : ,Æ-, :: :: :: :: ::,--æÆ :,-æ . . . . . . . . . . . . .Æ\| \|/ æ/ / :: :_--,, : , \| )Æ; :: :: :: :,-æÆ : ,-æ : : : , . . . . . . . . . . ./» :\| \| : \|/ :: ::----, :/ :\|/ :: :: ,-æÆ : :,-æ : : : : : : æÆ-,,_ . . . . . . ..\| : : :/ æÆ-(, :: :: :: æÆÆÆÆ~,,,,,ÆÆ :: ,-æÆ : :,-æ : : : : : : : : :,-æÆÆ . . . . . ,-æ : : : \| : : æÆ) : : :»ÆÆÆÆ~-,: : ,--æÆÆ : :,-æÆ : : : : : : : : : ,-æ :»ÆÆÆÆÆ-,_ . ./ : : : : :Æ-, :: \| :: :: :: _,,-æÆÆÆ» : ,--æÆ : : : : : : : : : : : / : : : : : : :ÆÆ-, / : : : : : -, :»ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ» : : _,,-~ÆÆ : : : : : : : : : : : : : :\| : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :»ÆÆ~~~~~~ÆÆÆ : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : \| : : : : : : : : : ___________________________________________
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 07/03/2008 01:52:52 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Patch86 We could do with some new bloodlines anyway, from a RP perspective. Mostly to fill some of the race gaps (all the races in game are either white or Asian, save for the 1 black bloodline; plenty of other niches to fill). And if memory serves me right, there are plenty of backstory candidates: theres at least 1 other Gallente Federation member, at least 1 other Matari tribe, at elast 1 other Amarr-conquered culture, and I'm sure we can rustle up another Caldari one. Do you really feel that the absence of significant numbers of bloodlines with similar appearances to modern races evenly distributed across the various factions serves to promote racial inequity? Because that's what you're implying when you attempt to justify the addition of new bloodlines via the race card. Tell me if you are, because that's a flame I can get in on. By mentioning "a flame" with such obvious delight are you really advocating arson? Because that's what you're implying. Tell me if you are because even though it couldn't be more offtopic to this lolspaceship thread and forum I TAKE ARSON VERY VERY SERIOUS INDEED, MISTER, AND I WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR WHY. I hope you capital letters and emoticon aren't indicative of mockery. Because that's what I feel is associated with those two characteristics of your post. Please clarify if this is so, because even though is thread is mostly a waste of bandwidth, we're all posting in relative anonymity, and MMORPGs have very little to do with the real world at all, I know forum mockery to hurt more than physical blows ever could and take great offense to even the implication that someone somewhere might be offended by an unrelated notion in a forum thread discussing internet spaceships, and I'd love to elaborate on this indefinitely until the thread is locked.
Gangus Minmatar Matari BackBone	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad we're all posting in relative anonymity yeah, ain't it great. Never mess with a guy in an ugly ship. He's bitter and has nothing to lose.
mothermoon2	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:22:00 - [13] I want to roll a blood raider, maybe you like need 10 mil sp and then you can roll a 10 mil sp bloodraider to take over your current character or something.
Jerusalem Eve Amarr Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:35:00 - [14] Is a Jin-Mei Gallente with 8/8/8/8/7 vs 9/9/9/9/3 achura a big deal? I think a Minmatar can do 9/8/8/8/6. So is that 3 Charisma really that important? Originally by: Akita T With "achuran-like" attributes for the Gallente and Minmatar choices. Don't really care what you do with the Amarr ones, as Khanid (especially cyberknight) is pretty decent already. As for Caldari, I'm not even sure they even need a new bloodline at all, but I guess you can find some gap of skill combinations resulting is some "desirable" attribute spreads that aren't particularly well-covered by any existing bloodlines. Seriously, every damn person on the planet WANTS to pick Achura (just about any ancestry) because of the attributes, or at least Khanid (but only cyberknight). You have a Caldari character overload because of that, and it's about damn time to fix it.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:38:00 - [15] Yes.., Achura pay for their stats with low 'charisma' ...
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:40:00 - [16] Well that's all well and good but at some point you will want to train social skills and leadership skills as they give a huge bonus, also some trade skills are worthwhile doing both for increasing your profit and the ability to set buy or sell orders anywhere in the region. .... sig goes here!
Cosmar Gallente Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:52:00 - [17] We don't really need a new set of bloodlines. We need to have the attributes balanced in importance. For example social skills should be much more important to mission runners, leadership to PvPers, etc...
Joan Lys	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:58:00 - [18] i wanrfs you
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.03.07 03:45:00 - [19] I want midgets.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.03.07 03:45:00 - [20] What we need is a serious nerf of achura and charisma based skills. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.03.07 03:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Khatred I want midgets. I forsee you getting your midgets with ambulation, look at the male achura, he can't be more than 140cm tops. Oompa loompas. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.03.07 03:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Khatred I want midgets. I forsee you getting your midgets with ambulation, look at the male achura, he can't be more than 140cm tops. Oompa loompas. And then I can run around station's and yell "You didn't even have pockets before I came here, you oompa loompas ! "
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.07 04:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Jerusalem Eve Is a Jin-Mei Gallente with 8/8/8/8/7 vs 9/9/9/9/3 achura a big deal? I think a Minmatar can do 9/8/8/8/6. So is that 3 Charisma really that important? Well, it's the same difference as between getting the learnings to L5, or sticking with L4... the same as plugging in +5 implants instead of the old +4s. Actually, it's much more than that, since you "feel" that extra point in each of the attributes from the very start, so you can stop training learnings much earlier while getting the same results, or you can go on and do that extra step in slightly less time the other could have. Sure, it's not such a BIG deal, but if you look at it that way, why do people pay dozens of millions of ISK for a damage mod that gives 10.5% bonuses instead of 10% bonuses ? Or for a 5% implant, when a 3% one is so much cheaper ? People always want "the best". Problem is, there is a "best" for the time being, and that "best" is Achura. Originally by: Kahega Amielden Better idea: introduce more Charisma skills to EVE. Watch the Achura players cry Meh, I've trained Anchoring 5, megacorp management and a buch of other charisma primary or secondary skills... but head to head, they probably constitute about 5% of my SP total or thereabouts. You'd have to get a WHOLE LOT MORE charisma primary and secondary skills that would be useful in combat, or at least in mining, science or industry (I'd love to see the rationale for any of those skills having charisma as a component, except RPM which already has, and it's relatively reasonable) in order to make it important in any way at all... if you don't, and just tack on some non-highend or non-conflict skills, you've done absolutely nothing... you might as well start an Intaki alt for that instead of training them on your "main". Adding those charisma-based skills might slightly mitigate the problem, but it won't even go close to "fixing" it. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.03.07 04:11:00 - [24] While it may be that charisma doesn't have many skills, you aren't gaining much in your other skills by keeping your CHA that low.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.07 04:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Jerusalem Eve Is a Jin-Mei Gallente with 8/8/8/8/7 vs 9/9/9/9/3 achura a big deal? I think a Minmatar can do 9/8/8/8/6. So is that 3 Charisma really that important? If you're a powergamer, yes it is. Heck, even if you're not, it matters. That 9/9/9/9 Achura will (with Learnings to V/IV) outpace the Jin-Mei's training (for non-charisma skills) by 99 points per hour, which adds up. It's not some huge amount, but our Achura friend will be sitting on about 800k more SP per year than the Jin-Mei. It's like having all your implants magically upgraded by +1, for nothing. The Achura also has the option of making any of those stats considerably higher, and can increase Int or Per to very nice levels without sacrificing other stats much. That's the main reason they're so good. Brutor, for example, can get excellent Perception, at the cost of low Int. Intaki can get very good mem/int, but their Perception will suffer for it (3 base perception WTF). Achura doesn't have to make that tradeoff, as the 3-4 points that aren't in Charisma compared to most other bloodlines are going entirely to USEFUL attributes. Buff Charisma skills. It's just a dump stat at present. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Succubu5 Last Beyond Sands Actual Assault	Posted - 2008.03.07 04:41:00 - [26] lol, i'd like to know how much time will it take to learn leadership skills with that charisma
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Succubu5 lol, i'd like to know how much time will it take to learn leadership skills with that charisma The 'average' pilot has no particular use for leadership skills. Someone else (who didn't roll up a 3 Charisma Achura) can train them, they'll work for the whole gang. Besides, there are a rather limited number of Leadership skills compared to say, tank supports and gunnery and ship command skills and . . . -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
In Theory	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:33:00 - [28] Edited by: In Theory on 07/03/2008 05:33:10 Here's a thought- make charisma directly influence the amount of isk you can default-sell items for (not putting them up on market, just the default offer) and even the npc taxes. It's quite reasonable to assume if you're a snotty, ugly, annoying, ***** of an Achuran the tax officer isn't going to have qualms with charging you a few hundred thousand extra isk off your T2 BS auction... Same goes in reverse-- if you're some hot gallente chick, that same officer will likely be a bit more lenient on your taxes... =) Also-- leadership skills are rather helpful in combat, wouldn't say there's no need of charisma in combat.......... but it still doesn't come close to as necessary as perception (gunnery/piloting) or willpower and memory (drones/missiles). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Well, that should've worked...
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:40:00 - [29] Quote: Here's a thought- make charisma directly influence the amount of isk you can default-sell items for (not putting them up on market, just the default offer) There is no default offer...
Hippy Dave	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:48:00 - [30] No need for more bloodlines, if some people want to play ugly achurians cause they get a few extra points in a stat or two then more power to them... It was adding new bloodlines which created them in the first place.
Amberly Coteaz Amarr Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.07 07:00:00 - [31] Advanced Engineering Description: Your ego is so big you can use it to power starships +5% Powergrid per level, +10% profit from scamming Charisma Primary Charisma Secondary There fixed... If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 07:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 07/03/2008 01:52:52 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Patch86 We could do with some new bloodlines anyway, from a RP perspective. Mostly to fill some of the race gaps (all the races in game are either white or Asian, save for the 1 black bloodline; plenty of other niches to fill). And if memory serves me right, there are plenty of backstory candidates: theres at least 1 other Gallente Federation member, at least 1 other Matari tribe, at elast 1 other Amarr-conquered culture, and I'm sure we can rustle up another Caldari one. Do you really feel that the absence of significant numbers of bloodlines with similar appearances to modern races evenly distributed across the various factions serves to promote racial inequity? Because that's what you're implying when you attempt to justify the addition of new bloodlines via the race card. Tell me if you are, because that's a flame I can get in on. By mentioning "a flame" with such obvious delight are you really advocating arson? Because that's what you're implying. Tell me if you are because even though it couldn't be more offtopic to this lolspaceship thread and forum I TAKE ARSON VERY VERY SERIOUS INDEED, MISTER, AND I WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR WHY. I hope you capital letters and emoticon aren't indicative of mockery. Because that's what I feel is associated with those two characteristics of your post. Please clarify if this is so, because even though is thread is mostly a waste of bandwidth, we're all posting in relative anonymity, and MMORPGs have very little to do with the real world at all, I know forum mockery to hurt more than physical blows ever could and take great offense to even the implication that someone somewhere might be offended by an unrelated notion in a forum thread discussing internet spaceships, and I'd love to elaborate on this indefinitely until the thread is locked. Bah, you ruined the beautiful string of non-sequiturs we had going, because my post most definitely was mockery. Anyway, I'm glad you took it well. Phony on topic: Wipe Achura. Real on topic: Introduce Crew skills and mechanics based on Charisma. Wouldn't fix the problem, but would moderate it a little. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Elizam Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.07 11:27:00 - [33] I don't think we need a new set of bloodlines. I think we need more players who aren't stat optimizing ***s. I too am sick of seeing all the Achura characters knowing that the vast majority ONLY picked the race for the stats. It screams lack of imagination or creative care when it comes to making their characters. I prefer to play the super stat / handicap game with my characters as it gives them a quirkiness all their own. For example my latest alt is Gallente Gallente Soldier with a base stat spread that looks like: 8 cha, 8 int, 4 mem, 13 perc, 6 will. Now people will begin gasping in horror at a gallente pilot with 4 base memory cause all they can think of is "ZOMG YOUR DRONE SKILLZ WILL TAYK 2 LONGS LUL" but my spaceship (the ones that use perc as primary anyway) and my gunnery skills will be training at a significantly faster rate than other people who just started alts and went for even spread or Achura-*** spread. People are far too concerned with what's "best" and have lost all sense of what gives your creations personality. Achura are like the borg. Don't get assimilated.
Kateryne Minmatar Quantum Quandry	Posted - 2008.03.07 11:39:00 - [34] To be honest, anyone who cares what race they are (cause anyone can use any skill) isn't the sort of person that would worry about not having 'the best' starting attributes. Adding more bloodlines will just see another influx of one or two bloodline characters as those that absolutely have to have the best stats re-roll. It's only a lil' picture in the corner ffs!
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.07 11:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Better idea: introduce more Charisma skills to EVE. Watch the Achura players cry This. -Or- Another idea I liked, was to implement some way to allow adjustments of base attributes. It would allow players to have a bit more freedom with their stats and not restrict anyone to certain bloodlines so they can have "optimal" training times. Unless they wanted certain attributes right off the bat. I think that, with some restrictions (such as an attribute cap), it could be a very nice feature. And in such a scientifically advanced universe is not out of place.
Jaedar Metron I G N O T U S	Posted - 2008.03.07 12:55:00 - [36] dunno if we actually need more bloodlines, just stuff in more charisma skills :P I've often wondered where the Caldari bloodline is though, weren't Caldari supposed to be the strongest state in the Gallente federation, an then the civire, deteis and achura just kind of joined their fight...?
skuko Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.07 14:42:00 - [37] skuko Attributes Intelligence: 23.10 Perception: 25.30 Charisma: 17.60 Willpower: 23.10 Memory: 23.10 Learning Analytical Mind Clarity Eidetic Memory Empathy Focus Instant Recall Iron Will Learning Logic Presence Spatial Awareness Total Skillpoints in Group: 2,548,320 +4 implants set... i'm just fine, thank you
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.03.07 15:31:00 - [38] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 07/03/2008 15:32:09 Originally by: Amberly Coteaz Advanced Engineering Description: Your ego is so big you can use it to power starships +5% Powergrid per level, +10% profit from scamming Charisma Primary Charisma Secondary I have this trained to 6.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.03.07 16:04:00 - [39] Well if nothing else, when ambulation finally arives Achura should be some Quasimodo lookin bastards imo. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Elizam I don't think we need a new set of bloodlines. I think we need more players who aren't stat optimizing ***s. I too am sick of seeing all the Achura characters knowing that the vast majority ONLY picked the race for the stats. It screams lack of imagination or creative care when it comes to making their characters. I prefer to play the super stat / handicap game with my characters as it gives them a quirkiness all their own. For example my latest alt is Gallente Gallente Soldier with a base stat spread that looks like: 8 cha, 8 int, 4 mem, 13 perc, 6 will. Now people will begin gasping in horror at a gallente pilot with 4 base memory cause all they can think of is "ZOMG YOUR DRONE SKILLZ WILL TAYK 2 LONGS LUL" but my spaceship (the ones that use perc as primary anyway) and my gunnery skills will be training at a significantly faster rate than other people who just started alts and went for even spread or Achura-* spread. People are far too concerned with what's "best" and have lost all sense of what gives your creations personality. Achura are like the borg. Don't get assimilated. You go do that. The stat optimizing *s will be busy training their int/mem and mem/per skills significantly faster than you, and many of them will have Per/Will similar to what you have as well, just with better memory (and 3 Charisma). Enjoy your 'quirky' characters. Your characters personality is the personality you give it, not what your attributes say. But who am I to talk, my crap base Perception is part of the reason I'm such a drone ***, rather than speccing missiles or guns. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Ulstan on 07/03/2008 22:56:15 Instead lets introduce a whole new range of combat skills that are based on CHA and screw over all the archura. Yes, my CHA is higher than my MEM. Why do you ask? :D
Luigi Thirty Caldari 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2008.03.08 01:33:00 - [42] Well the last time they tried to add more bloodlines the game was horribly broken for about a week. ---- DOMINIX IS ~~INVINCIBLE~~BLUE:((((
Ban Shui Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.08 02:27:00 - [43] How about a new race coupled with the discovery of a new region? Not the jove, but a race with similar atributes to the current four races, perhaps with a new weapon system, but also with new ships etc...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.08 09:48:00 - [44] A complete new empire instead of an additional bloodlines to existing empires would be quite... complicated. And it wouldn't "solve" nor alleviate the issue of 40% caldari, 30% gallente, 20% minmatar, 10% amarr "racial spread" among pod pilot characters. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.08 12:00:00 - [45] Udorian is the missing Amarrian conquered peoples. Tash-Murkon Imperial house are Udorian. There are a couple of missing Minmatar tribes including the Nefantar (Ammatar - Turncoats, collaborators and tribal elders who chose to work with the Amarr after conquest and were thus not part of the republic (correct me someone if I'm wrong). Also the Kursal and another tribe mentionned in the description of the Brutor and the vhekior (sp? not goet the foggiest...), something begining with S anyway. So straight up two more candidates for Amarr and Minmatar bloodlines. Caldari? No idea. I never saw caldari as having bloodlines, being more of a unified race with different sub-cultures (civire and deteis) plus the achura tagged on the end. But that's just me And yeah, be nice to see more African / black bloodlines, or arabs or indians or any number of the other wide variety of races on Earth. I did however see a black civire once, using the skin tones and the correct lighting, but the only one I've seen so far Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 20:52:00 - [46] Edited by: Patch86 on 09/03/2008 20:52:44 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: Patch86 We could do with some new bloodlines anyway, from a RP perspective. Mostly to fill some of the race gaps (all the races in game are either white or Asian, save for the 1 black bloodline; plenty of other niches to fill). And if memory serves me right, there are plenty of backstory candidates: theres at least 1 other Gallente Federation member, at least 1 other Matari tribe, at elast 1 other Amarr-conquered culture, and I'm sure we can rustle up another Caldari one. Do you really feel that the absence of significant numbers of bloodlines with similar appearances to modern races evenly distributed across the various factions serves to promote racial inequity? Because that's what you're implying when you attempt to justify the addition of new bloodlines via the race card. Tell me if you are, because that's a flame I can get in on. I like variety. Theres no particular reason why there shouldn't be some other racial groups in the game, other than that it hasn't happened yet. And the backstory supplieth 4 ready made bloodlines to use for the purpose. I'm not saying that we should shoehorn in 4 unneeded new bloodlines just to fill the holes in the racial lineup, just that some new bloodlines would be a nice opportunity to throw a bit of diversity in to the mix. If CCP did decide to put 4 new bloodlines in, would you actively argue against them being Hispanic, say, or Arabic? Because that's certainly a flame train I could board... ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
BlondieBC Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:26:00 - [47] We need more charisma based skills. I recommend the following categories have additions: 1) Trade: Skills like remote reprocessing, T2 skills to lower taxes and fees even more, Skill to automatically reprice orders in a range to be lowest order, etc. 2) Corp management: Support skills for POS gunners, such as rapid fire, surgical strike, shield operation, etc. 3) Leadership skills: Add more ways to improve gang/team work such as team team remote shield repairing, team evasive manuver, etc.
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Better idea: introduce more Charisma skills to EVE. Watch the Achura players cry This. please. x10 Originally by: Kindakrof there is no gravity in space
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2008.03.10 17:55:00 - [49] Edited by: Eventy One on 10/03/2008 18:01:29 Well there are other bloodlines .. there are a bunch within the Jove. The Jove have at least two blood lines that I am aware of (possibly more)- Modifiers and Statics: From Veniel's description (who is a Modifier): The different branches of Jovians that exist are not the result of variations in geographical or climatic differences, but rather that of genetic engineering through the centuries. The Modifiers are the enthusiasts of the Jovian family. They are curious and constantly willing to try or experience something new and fresh. Modifiers have lower life expectancy that other Jovians and are more susceptible to the dreaded Jovian Disease. It seems that by constantly living on the edge makes them burn out faster. Yet from CCP John Proctor's description (who is a Static): The different branches of Jovians that exist are not the result of variations in geographical or climatic differences, but rather that of genetic engineering through the centuries. The Statics are one of the two main branches. Statics are generally introvert and prefer status quo, both socially and biologically. The Statics regard themselves as observers that should interfere as little as possible with the world. They believe that they are as genetically evolved as can be and generally frown upon large-scale genetic engineering programs. So bringing in the Jove will result in additional bloodlines. As for the rest of us non-Jove .. I agree there is room for new blood lines with different characteristics to emerge. Eventy One CEO Magellan Exploration and Survey (EVE's first and largest Astrometrics Corp)

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