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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.07 04:28:00 -
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The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction are both gratified and amused to learn that an Amarrian Holder of some prominence has placed a bet, rumoured to be in the billions of ISK, on our Alliance Tournament team reaching the Final Four. We note that Touraj Miyan states that he views it merely as a bet on a sporting exercise and that he does not support our policies. Likewise, while acknowledging his judgement of our prowess in the arts of war and our potential for placing in the tournament, we in no way support his policies as a Holder in the Kor-Azor region of the Amarrian Empire.
Even so, that an Amarrian Holder can so indulge himself and make such an acknowledgement does indicate to us, in a relatively small way granted, that the Empire is not so secure in itself as its various supporters like to think. Naturally, the Alliance Tournament poses no material threat to the Empire, yet it clearly is keenly followed. As perhaps the premier capsuleer sporting event of the Cluster, the following it has throughout the old empires, and here shown within the very heart of the Amarrian Empire, indicates the influence that the capsuleer class has and the potential for change it represents.
As to the various detractors of Touraj Miyan: humourless boors and hypocrites, one and all. Iraj Darabi, Jata Temari and Zim Rahura are Amarrian Holders, and all the Cluster knows that the Holder class is utterly corrupt and a by-word for secret peccadillos and luxurious self-indulgences. Touraj Miyan likes a flutter at the bookmaker. Who knows what pleasures these others like to immerse themselves in? I dare say that whatever dionysian practices Darabi, Temari and Rahura like to engage in behind closed doors are done without stint and precious little restraint.
In any event, the Freecaptains will continue in the tournament as best we may: testing ourselves, our crews and our ships in contest with peers in the capsuleer class. Let the tournament entertain and inspire capsuleer and non-capsuleer alike. It is a sporting event, true. Yet in the contest is a distillation of the challenge that all capsuleers who are true to their personal sovereignty will eventually be faced with. It is no bad thing to show how that challenge can be met before the whole Cluster.
On behalf of the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction
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Ituralde
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:02:00 -
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It's to be expected really, as soon as anyone in the Empire seems to show some good judgment people on all sorts of various levels seem to take it amiss. It's a bit of an unfortunate lasting trend it seems.
At any rate, I wish Star Fraction continued success in the Tournament in hopes that we can meet in the final stages.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:59:00 -
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I would love to be able to say I won 10 billion betting Star Fraction would bray about the announcement.
Unfortunately for my scheme everyone in the cluster expected it. Ah well.
Please carry on
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:30:00 -
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What would you have them do, ignore it?
It's so amusing to see your own treasured Holders showing a greater capacity for respect than you are capable of yourselves.
I wish the free captains of Star Fraction well in their upcoming matches.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:14:00 -
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I'm not sure I understand why anything should be read too deeply into such a bet. As is regularly addressed in this very summit, Amarrians feel all exists for their pleasure/amusement/use. Whether one concurs with this sentiment or not, this bet is right in line with that belief. Even revolutionaries can bring entertainment and profit to a Holder...and why not?
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.08 16:10:00 -
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A bet is simply that, a bet. Like a monetary investment, it has nothing to do with ideology. If the money did go to the Star Fraction it might indeed be supporting them finnancially, but this is not the case.
I have had the honor of serving under the orders of Lord Miyan, and I can state that, either he has changed a lot recently, or else it is not a matter of ideology at all. But there is an entry in that news of much more interest: Lord Darabi.
Lord Darabi, if you are looking to reopen your conflicts with Lord Miyan that damaged the whole Kor-Azor region for some time, be careful. Maybe this time you won't get away so cleanly and easily.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.08 16:26:00 -
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The Star Fraction salutes all our opponents in the group stage and wishes those qualifying for the finals stage the best of luck.
While we regret not progressing, we feel our pilots and crews gave a good accounting on the field of combat.
As to the bets laid in our favour, I fear that Touraj Miyan and others will have to console themselve with meditations on the fickle nature of fortune.
Until the next time,
The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:02:00 -
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As perhaps the premier capsuleer sporting event of the Cluster, the following it has throughout the old empires, and here shown within the very heart of the Amarrian Empire, indicates the influence that the capsuleer class has and the potential for change it represents.
(Emphasis Mine)
Potential for change, yes. In sports glorifying death.
The Star Fraction is better suited to being a gladiatorial team than it is a revolutionary force. I suggest you take it up as a full time job.
Deus Vult!
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.09 03:41:00 -
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I must admit that the knowledge that our failure to advance cost a prominent member of the Amarrian bloc 10 billion isk sweetened the day for me considerably.
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GM Sunshine > oops
Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Ashar KorAzor
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.09 11:23:00 -
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Oh, don't get so bent out of shape. The man once asked for raparations of several billion ISK whilst at war for a week with a small fraction of his House's forces in two systems. No need to make a fuss when that time could be better spent preparing for next year's sporting events.
The fact that the doctor detracted every member of the Holder caste - of which there are millions at least - as corrupt is, well...nothing short of amusing, but I suppose it might pass as PR in the current political climate. After all, rational debate may be the key in finding solutions to problems, but after all, it is so boring. Why debate when you can have theater? Theater goes well with bloodsport.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Heretic Logistics
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 14:05:00 -
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Star Fraction, I hope you don't reach the Final Four. Nothing personal, you understand - in fact, in any other circumstance I'd be happy for your success. But the thought of a Holder being acrimoniously seperated from his ill-gotten fortune is just too delicious to miss.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.10 14:16:00 -
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It's good to see that you're as well-informed as ever, Ixiris.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.10 21:30:00 -
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* The Cosmopolite cannot help but chuckle at recent exhanges...
I must say, I am sometimes bemused by the seeming disdain some of my fellow Amarr have for gladiatorial combat given its well-established role in the ceremonial and religious process of selecting Emperors.
Possibly this is sometimes forgotten, along with the fact that dignity is an Amarrian attribute.
On which note, I will withdraw, smiling.
The Cosmopolite
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.11 00:54:00 -
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One thing is a ceremonial combat for one imporant purpose, and another is a gladatorial combat for the amusement of the masses. I will never be happy with pointless deaths, and such a tournament brought many such deaths.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Heretic Logistics
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
It's good to see that you're as well-informed as ever, Ixiris.
Again, I would say that a man who firmly believes that the Amarrian Empire is in any fit state to rule itself, let alone sweep across the cosmos and conquer the galaxy has absolutely no room to be talking about being well-informed.
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Svenjabi Xiang
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.11 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
One thing is a ceremonial combat for one imporant purpose, and another is a gladatorial combat for the amusement of the masses. I will never be happy with pointless deaths, and such a tournament brought many such deaths.
As I recall, having participated and examined the recordings of the tournament, there were no pod pilot deaths, and to date, no crew deaths reported. Some ships were lost. Nothing more.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.11 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 11/03/2008 12:39:46
Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang
As I recall, having participated and examined the recordings of the tournament, there were no pod pilot deaths, and to date, no crew deaths reported. Some ships were lost. Nothing more.
When a battleship is destroyed, large numbers of people die. It's a fact.
As for no crew deaths being reported, you really should read the news more often.
Of course, your attitude is hardly surprising, as we've all come to expect a callous disregard for non-pod life from the SF.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Svenjabi Xiang
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 11/03/2008 12:39:46
When a battleship is destroyed, large numbers of people die. It's a fact.
As for no crew deaths being reported, you really should read the news more often.
Of course, your attitude is hardly surprising, as we've all come to expect a callous disregard for non-pod life from the SF.
You know, I really should read the news more often, you're right.
It's also nice to see that your regard for your fellow human being showing through so brightly. I shall expect to see you running your single-seater civilian craft from here on. I tend to take the position that we all take risks, for which we receive something we value. Sometimes these don't pay off. If they always did, it wouldn't be a risk anymore.
Good luck in civilian life.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 11/03/2008 13:09:56
Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 11/03/2008 12:39:46
When a battleship is destroyed, large numbers of people die. It's a fact.
As for no crew deaths being reported, you really should read the news more often.
Of course, your attitude is hardly surprising, as we've all come to expect a callous disregard for non-pod life from the SF.
You know, I really should read the news more often, you're right.
It's also nice to see that your regard for your fellow human being showing through so brightly. I shall expect to see you running your single-seater civilian craft from here on. I tend to take the position that we all take risks, for which we receive something we value. Sometimes these don't pay off. If they always did, it wouldn't be a risk anymore.
Good luck in civilian life.
The difference is that my crew risk their lives for a cause and when a ship falls they die knowing that they will have a place in heaven, whilst the crew of an SF tournament ship is there to get paid for entertaining people, and when their ship is destroyed they die wondering not only how their families will support themselves but also if their their absence will even be noticed by their pre-human overlords.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:55:00 -
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With respect Admiral Blake, the crew members know the risks when they sign up to work for a pod pilot. They are adults free to make their own choices in lifeā assuming they are not slaves.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
With respect Admiral Blake, the crew members know the risks when they sign up to work for a pod pilot. They are adults free to make their own choices in lifeā assuming they are not slaves.
Indeed, but my point is that a death for a noble cause is more worthwhile than being slaughtered for someone else's entertainment.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:16:00 -
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The insult to our gallant crews, some few of whom did indeed die, though most made it to the escape boats and were rescued, I cannot let stand without reply. Therefore, I will set the record straight on this question of why our crews participated and what they hoped for.
What Sepherim and Rodj Blake's views boil down to is that it is perfectly fine and noble to die in a cause they consider important, indeed a gladiatorial combat is fine if they consider the reason for it to be important, but that it is a waste and useless to die in causes they do not consider important. Quite why this rather jejune point is supposed to be telling, I do not know.
The real debate therefore centres around the causes in which the capsuleers and their crew struggle and, sometimes, die. Whatever any bystander's views may be, the crew of the Star Fraction ships that took part were all of the view that the cause of the Star Fraction was furthered by taking part in the event and they were all free men and women, volunteers one and all.
Certain people make the mistake of thinking that entertainment of others is at the forefront of the minds of those who take part. They are largely wrong on this score. As I earlier indicated, the challenge, the test and the meeting in combat with peers among the capsuleer class and, for our crews, pitting themselves against other crews is key. Moreover, the cause of the Star Fraction is brought into view once more, widely among capsuleers and beyond to non-capsuleers. Our crews are intelligent, they understand the value of this and they understand that their risk is worthwhile in the service of the cause they consider important.
Those who dislike the cause in which our crews have fought in a challenge combat are entitled to disdain that cause. They are not entitled to assume that the crews were acting uselessly or without hope of meaningful achievement in their own terms.
The Cosmopolite
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:15:00 -
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You place words in my mouth I haven't exactly said, Mr Cosmopolite. I believe that it is a worthy reason to die fighting on your side as your crew. It is a reason, a purpose, even if I don't share it. But what cause is furthered or advanced by the simple destruction of ships before the camera crews? Any political advance? Social? Theological?
As for Mr Xiang, you should know who you speak with before speaking. I carry hundreds of deaths on my shoulders, both of my men and my foes. And I hear them screaming my name every time I go to bed, remembering that I murdered them.
There is an old saying that "not knowing fear is not bravery but foolishness. Bravery is knowing fear and, even so, to remain and fight". This is the same. Not knowing the importance of human life is nothing but foolishness. It is by valuing human life that you deserve the trust of your crew members, and your place among the stars.
As for Lord Blake's success and efforts in combat, it is pointless to even start to discuss them.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Certain people make the mistake of thinking that entertainment of others is at the forefront of the minds of those who take part. They are largely wrong on this score. As I earlier indicated, the challenge, the test and the meeting in combat with peers among the capsuleer class and, for our crews, pitting themselves against other crews is key. Moreover, the cause of the Star Fraction is brought into view once more, widely among capsuleers and beyond to non-capsuleers. Our crews are intelligent, they understand the value of this and they understand that their risk is worthwhile in the service of the cause they consider important.
That the Star Fraction feels the need to act like performing monkeys to publicise their cause says a lot about the quality of their previous endeavours.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Ituralde
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Posted - 2008.03.13 17:27:00 -
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I must agree, Rodj. Declaring war on the likes of you had always been far below the Star Fraction and they never should have even bothered. Fortunately it seems they have learned from their mistakes and have moved onto greater and more worthwhile endeavors.
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