Your not really getting what I mean, Logging off should not be a valid tactic in any way, yes I know the 15 mins but that seems to only become active if that the agressive act happens before the person logs.

What I am saying is if your scout jumps in system and manages to tackle a thanatos even if the pilot logged of 5 seconds or 55 seconds beforehand the ship is still a valid lockable target thus if grabbed and agressed 15 min timer should start.

We had 30+ frigs and destroyers scraming webbing shooting this carrier and then it just disapeared.

My CEO recently aggressed a Tengu in highsec with a Merlin. The Tengu could not kill the Merlin and decided to log off. After 15 min whilst the CEO still had point on the Tengu he suddenly started getting Concord warnings. We even had a GM on grid in a Polaris to investigate the matter.

So there are definitively issues with the GÇÿLogofski mechanicsGÇÖ in highsec.

Refer to the following two blog posts for the full story : Broken Toys or Free Golems

Dude, don't be like that. This is a discussion forum and if you need PVP then get it in game. The advantage that Quebber has over you or anyone else is that he was there. You were not. I was not.... and I have no reason to doubt that what he said is what actually happened.

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Greetings Pilot,

Thank you for contacting EVE Online customer support.

Aggression cannot be gained after a pilot logs off, the way the system works is as follows :

Pilot logs off, the system checks his aggro tag and begins a countdown dependant on his tag.
If no aggro the ship disappears after 60 seconds. This timer cannot be extended.
If NPC aggro the ship disappears after 120 seconds. This timer cannot be extended.
If PVP aggro the ship disappears after 15 minutes, this timer is extended by 15 minutes if any PVP aggro is received in this time.

There are a couple of edge cases, for example if someone logs off, is shot and then disappears after a minute. In this case (like the case that happened to you) when the pilot logs back on they will instantly be entered into a 15 minute aggression timer.

Best regards,
GM Haggis
EVE Online Customer Support

Reply from GM


So the basis of my original post is valid, I believe the log off mechanic needs a little more tweaking, what I am asking for is the following.
IF a ship non egressed logs off in space that 1 minute before the ship disapears is a valid target and if agressed in that 1 minute then it starts a 15 mins agression timer.

60 seconds, it is a realistic tweak I believe and if your ninja hot scout/prober can find him in that 60 seconds your fleet deserves that killmail whether he stayed to fight or logged off.


Just to be completely blunt, I am NOT asking that an unagressed pilot logging off stay in space for 15 mins, I am simply saying that IF a non agressed pilot logs off and your prober/scout manages to grab him and shoot scram agress in that 60 seconds then it becomes a valid target with the normal 15 mins agression timer.

No if the Carrier pilot did not agress he would not have a 15minute agression timer. He will poof after 1 minute even if he is agresssed by somebody else. if he was agressing and decided to log of. He will be there for 15minutes.

This has been said multiple times in this thread, I don't understand why your not understing this.

You stated that you Love PVP, I say your lying there, you can't possibly Love PVP. I bolded the WHY from your post.

A person logging of at a pos or safe system has absolutely nothing to fear from this suggested tweak, 60 seconds of vulnerability in space the only people who will loose out is those still using the log off mechanic to get out of combat or loss.

So please tell me why having a ship remain a valid target for the 60 seconds before it despawns whether the pilot was agressed or not is silly or a bad idea because I must be missing something.

There is an ideology here beyond your selfish desire of a killmail, that the intent is this is a video game and users should have the peace of mind to know they can logout under non aggressive circumstances and feel confident that their character/ship etc are relatively safe.

Your recommendation is that this should be removed for the singular purpose of you getting your killmail.

Therefore your suggestion only helps an aggressor and does not take anything outside of you wanting a killmail into account. Your recommendations do nothing for the greater portion of the eve community, and instead of attempting to tone down your recommendations in order to find something that might be easier for people to accept and see as reasonable, you repeatedly reach for the ridiculous displaying your selfish inability to think beyond what you want for you.

TL:DR
Working as intended quit crying.

Oh boy where to start.. I have been pvping in this game since someone ganked my Navy Raven in a low sec l4 mission and I realised I wanted to fight back that was something like 4 years ago and the last time I did any pve, I was taught by Agony unleashed and since back then (Rho Legate) I have lived in Nulsec.

So you are saying it should be a valid tactic to use to avoid a fight ? we are not talking about a quaint little game of house on the prarie, we are talking about someone in 0.0, ratting in a carrier, someone not using scouts or intel channels to keep safe, someone who while his friends made it into the pos shields he thought he could just wait till we entered system and log off...Not to go eat, not to go afk for a crying child but simply to use an out of game tactic to escape a risk situation.

This is nothing to do with me selfishly wanting a killmail, I have enough of them, this is about an out of game tactic being used to allow what should have been a valid target to escape.

As I stated in my original post good fights can be ones where you loose or win and a carrier can be a very dangerous target to a frig fleet, a well fit out carrier with smartbombs neuts and good drone skills can be a fun fight, it can also be hilarious if one of your own guys bumps the carrier putting half your fleet in smart bomb range..

Allowing a ship to be a valid target for that 60 seconds before it despawns would encourage more probers, scouting and those on the other side to keep a better eye on intel channel and local..

i have to agree with the op. it is an out of game tactic used to save ships.

he still lost the ship.

there should be no " im safe " button just by pullin the plug

I lol'ed thx.

Also lol'ed at you using old outdated information that doesn't adhere to current logout mechanics.

Your not really getting what I mean, Logging off should not be a valid tactic in any way, yes I know the 15 mins but that seems to only become active if that the agressive act happens before the person logs.

What I am saying is if your scout jumps in system and manages to tackle a thanatos even if the pilot logged of 5 seconds or 55 seconds beforehand the ship is still a valid lockable target thus if grabbed and agressed 15 min timer should start.

We had 30+ frigs and destroyers scraming webbing shooting this carrier and then it just disapeared.

The change was primarily made so people can't chose to fight and then log-off to get safe when things are going bad. It wasn't changed so you can gank any ship in space as long as your quick with the scanner.

he logged because he wanted to go take the dog for a walk, or make some coffee. you dont get a free KM because of that. logging off is a normal game mechanic, and the 15 minute timer WITHOUT the aggression reset is there so you dont have to log a frikken army everytime you logout your carrier main. if you set agression on him before he logs, he wont get away. simple as that.

I'm confused as to what he said that was out dated. Everything he said has been confirmed as "it's a valid mechanic, HTFU, hurf blurf". Also, way to take quotes out of context there guy.

Edit: for typo

a year ago in low sec when a frieghter jump in from high sec

If I may...

21:34:00 - I log off in my carrier at a safe spot and go to make some supper
21:34:04 - Scout warps in, sees my carrier on d-scan, probes it down, calls in fleet
21:34:34 - Fleet agresses my Carrier while I make some cocoa
21:35:00 - My Carrier vanishes, Fleet screams 'CHEATER' or some such pointless phrase

I believe the mechanic is working to prevent 'logoffski' tactics while IN combat. logging off shouldn't leave you vulnerable just because of bad timing, even if the time the scout jumped in system, and my logging off were the otherway round, it doesn't mean I logged off to avoid them, I might just really need that cocoa.

My CEO recently aggressed a Tengu in highsec with a Merlin. The Tengu could not kill the Merlin and decided to log off. After 15 min whilst the CEO still had point on the Tengu he suddenly started getting Concord warnings. We even had a GM on grid in a Polaris to investigate the matter.

So there are definitively issues with the GÇÿLogofski mechanicsGÇÖ in highsec.

Refer to the following two blog posts for the full story : Broken Toys or Free Golems