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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:15:00 -
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Just wanted to ask Raven pilots if the Raven is worth using for NPC hunting.
I use my Megathron now but have considered swapping for a Raven since I find it better overall in PvP.
It would however have to double as NPC hunter when I am not fihting the evil scum of the universe.
A main concern is the lack of damage to rails. FOr NPC I would do 4/4 to avoid costly missiles.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/04/2004 13:26:51
1) Don't switch 
2) 4 425's do crap damage on caldari ships.
6 425mm on a mega will cause about 80% more DOT compared to 4 425mm on a raven.
Not only that but it's easier to get damage mods on if you use a megathron.
4 425 @ raven vs 6 425 @ mega (20% damage bonus)... 80% damage difference.
6 425mm + mag stab II @ mega... Diff from raven: ~121%, diff from mega: ~23%.
Add to that, no splash damage while fighting wars in empire. 
Edit: Numbers aren't perfect, they're calculated with the 425mm having a 9.5 second RoF which isn't perfectly right. You should get my point anyway. 
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/04/2004 13:26:51
1) Don't switch
2) 4 425's do crap damage on caldari ships.
6 425mm on a mega will cause about 80% more DOT compared to 4 425mm on a raven.
Not only that but it's easier to get damage mods on if you use a megathron.
4 425 @ raven vs 6 425 @ mega (20% damage bonus)... 80% damage difference.
6 425mm + mag stab II @ mega... Diff from raven: ~121%, diff from mega: ~23%.
Add to that, no splash damage while fighting wars in empire.
Edit: Numbers aren't perfect, they're calculated with the 425mm having a 9.5 second RoF which isn't perfectly right. You should get my point anyway.
Good points. Despite haveing a fancy for the Raven atm I think I'll stay with my trusty Megathron then.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:46:00 -
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Good points. Despite haveing a fancy for the Raven atm I think I'll stay with my trusty Megathron then.
Raven is pretty much crap until missiles get reworked, which I suppose is scheduled to happen between the second coming of Jesus Christ or when the sun implodes on itself, whatever comes first.
Or as CCP likes to put it; SoonÖ.
It would be nice if using missiles wasn't a huge gigantic handicap when it comes to farming NPCs. It's almost as if you have to own an Apocalypse to farm NPCs efficiently.
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Faster ThanJesus
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Posted - 2004.04.08 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Faster ThanJesus on 08/04/2004 14:00:35
4 launchers end up being irrelevent in a lot of belt fights if the spawn picks the most awkward position (which they usually do) because the missiles can't navigate around the asteroids.
I think ravens will be good when lvl 4 kill missions happen because the fights are more on the players terms. Long range combat with cruise missiles (or even torps) actually works okay against npcs when there is nothing in the way.
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Babolatt
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Posted - 2004.04.08 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Babolatt on 08/04/2004 16:29:06
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Or as CCP likes to put it; SoonÖ.
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Ayar Cachi
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Posted - 2004.04.08 18:36:00 -
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Just wanted to ask Raven pilots if the Raven is worth using for NPC hunting.
Yes, it is. It has several advantages over the Megathron for the solo hunter. These come into play with solo encounters fleets of 65k, 75K, and 85K cruisers (nothing smaller, and not refering to BS hunting).
1) Missiles work at close range. All those 6x425mm don't. This is useful for the risk-adverse in cases such as:
- a second such fleet warps in at <20km
- several of the cruisers close to short range using MWD b/c of 6x425mm over-confidence and damage variation "unluckiness".
2) Missiles don't have the damage variation guns do. Thus, you can rely on missiles during more hectic conditions (examples above) and take down enemies in a more *predicatable* fashion. I find this a real cost-saver ;)
3) If you are solo hunting where player pirates and alliances patrol, the Raven kicks ass. You don't have to stress as much with your 'npc loadout'. You've got some FOF cruise missiles at the very least and maybe select choices in the med slots. More risk-avoidance. Happy Times.
4) Megathron has 4 medium slots. Even the Dominix has 5. This is a major limitation in the flexibility for the Megathron for NPC hunting, esp since I'm assuming you don't like taking 30mins to go through the loot cans :)
5) You only need heavy missiles. They are Free, if you do a lot of hunting. Anything else kinda costs money and isn't necessary anyway. I don't get a lot of Free hybrid ammo hunting fleets like the aforementioned -.-
6) Range of missiles is just fine. What we did (even our Gallente pilots, since the Caldari ships are so great), is to train Heavy Missiles to level 5. This gives them a nice range to complement the 425s AND still work at close range, where the 425s don't :(
7) NPCs don't shoot down missiles like nuts anymore. Before the patch, it was insane. Not because of defenders but because the NPCs would shoot down our missiles with guns :( But now, certain NPCs ships have defenders, but not all. And they can't spam the defenders against your missiles, so you lose very few. This is the closest analogy to the damage-variation of guns.
7) Raven is simply more Fun. This is because of the 4/4 high slots and all the nice medium slots. Your battles are more diverse, and all those missiles are fun to use and make the battles interesting to watch/participate in. Guns don't. The medium slots give you flexibily in trying out different combos beyond the core essentials--which are all the Megathron can fit, really (yawn).
Although, the brawler load-out for the Megathron also is a lot of Fun. Mainly because of the increased risk, challenge, and sheer damage potential.
Go with Raven. Missiles work great. Have more fun. Mind you, Gallente ships smell like flowers. Caldari ones smell like, well, Caldari. Nuff said.
If you don't, at least put 2x launchers on your Megathron--missiles are so fun and useful (and Free) for NPC hunting, it's better than another gun or SBs or such.
And, if you haven't figured it out already, think about moving out of the plane of the belt ('up' or 'down') right away, probably as you snipe. This way, your missiles hit ships, not roids.
Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled Whining from Caldari players. Sorry to interrupt ;)
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Jexter
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Posted - 2004.04.09 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jexter on 09/04/2004 07:13:15
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Yes, it is. It has several advantages over the Megathron for the solo hunter.
Caldari mentality at its best, a welcome change... but wait, this comes from a Gallente! 
It feels good, seeing a few pilots not following the standard track (Raven = tank with 6 launchers loaded with Cruises) and exploit all the potentials of their ships.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.04.09 11:56:00 -
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i like 3x 425, 2 h-50 arbalest, 3 siege
or 4 425, 3 h-50 1x siege
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.04.09 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 08/04/2004 13:26:51
1) Don't switch
2) 4 425's do crap damage on caldari ships.
6 425mm on a mega will cause about 80% more DOT compared to 4 425mm on a raven.
Not only that but it's easier to get damage mods on if you use a megathron.
4 425 @ raven vs 6 425 @ mega (20% damage bonus)... 80% damage difference.
6 425mm + mag stab II @ mega... Diff from raven: ~121%, diff from mega: ~23%.
Add to that, no splash damage while fighting wars in empire.
Edit: Numbers aren't perfect, they're calculated with the 425mm having a 9.5 second RoF which isn't perfectly right. You should get my point anyway.
Relax. He's not asking a question where the answer requires a superior ship. The question begs only for an answer if it can be done.
The Raven is not the best ship for NPC hunting, but it can be done with 4 425s or even 4 1400s.
Still I am in the opinion that the Megathron is still better for both PvPC and PvNPC.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.09 13:54:00 -
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I've tried using heavy missiles for killing NPCs, as they are not toooo expensive but I wind up a lot of the time blowing up cargo cans, which seems counter productive, you have to really time your missiles so that that does not happen, but it's a pain. :/
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.09 13:58:00 -
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Relax.
I just gave him a hint, no need to "relax"? 
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He's not asking a question where the answer requires a superior ship. The question begs only for an answer if it can be done.
Actually, he's asking if it's worth it with a Raven. IMHO it's not if you NPC hunt more than a few times a month.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2004.04.09 14:06:00 -
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If you are going to go 4/4 (and especially if you're going to fit 1400s), wouldn't a Tempest be a better option?
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.09 14:14:00 -
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I have decided to keep my Megathron and forget about the Raven. I mainly fight other players or hunt NPC's when I am not doing some high-end mining .
The Megathron is a good combat ship, both when it comes to PvP and PvE. The only ship I am considering now aside from my Megathron is the Apocalypse.
Unlike my Megathron the Apocalypse can go into deep space and stay there for weeks if it so desires. That is a benefit I've always wanted to have. I could fit lasers on my Megathron, but I downright refuse to do that.
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Macca
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:35:00 -
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Its kind of a pain that the Battleships have very specific roles and not one is ok at two things.
1) Megathron, good NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship.
2) Raven, Good pvp ship. Crap NPC hunter.
3) Apoc, Crap NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship. Good miner. 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:09:00 -
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Megathron, good NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship.
Right.
Send me a note if you want proof it's not that bad. Otherwise, just trust me, it's not a crap pvp ship.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:27:00 -
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Its kind of a pain that the Battleships have very specific roles and not one is ok at two things.
1) Megathron, good NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship.
2) Raven, Good pvp ship. Crap NPC hunter.
3) Apoc, Crap NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship. Good miner.
You really have no clue, have you?
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.04.09 22:32:00 -
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Its kind of a pain that the Battleships have very specific roles and not one is ok at two things.
1) Megathron, good NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship.
2) Raven, Good pvp ship. Crap NPC hunter.
3) Apoc, Crap NPC hunter. Crap pvp ship. Good miner.
You really have no clue, have you?
Guess not, heh.
I didn't even notice that apoc is a crap NPC hunter... Probably the best one around, oh well.
(It's not crap for PvP either. Only 3 of your "facts" are right Macca; that Raven is good at pvp/crap NPC and that the apoc is a good miner ship.)
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2004.04.09 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Bigfoot Hunter on 09/04/2004 23:00:49
i think he forgot that the megathron is a pretty good miner as well
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Macca
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Posted - 2004.04.10 10:22:00 -
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Well ok.
I never used the Mega in serious pvp, but the impression i got from it was that it was not good at all. I've heard about people using them (blasters) and it all going horribly wrong.
Great miner. One of the best easily (after amar ships).
I've never flown an amar ship, don't really care to. I used to know a lot of people in them, now they just miners or in cal/min ships 
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