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Posted - 2008.03.09 23:14:00 -
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A friend of mine and I are looking into getting into complex running - we've been running L4s for a while, and looking for something different.
I fly a blaster megathron fitted for damage, and he flies a guardian with 6 LRAR II, allowing for a tank of 512 dps (assuming 0% resists) - an unorthodox setup, but it sure as hell gets through stuff fast.
I can get my resists to about 70-75% on every attribute, and I was wondering what the average dps kicked out by various complexes is - its not something I've ever done before, so I don't know whether 4/10, 6/10 or 10/10 is about right.
Any information is appreciated :D.
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Haldeeman
Minmatar
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.03.09 23:42:00 -
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aggro changes very quick in high lvl plexes... your friend will die quick and you will follow.
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Treean
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Posted - 2008.03.10 02:47:00 -
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I've never personally run these but I have a number of friends that have elaborated on their methods and experiences.
If your looking for a sample of the difficulty i'd suggest checking out a lvl 5 mission or three for a sampling. Even then the DPS pales dished out pales in comparison. In some instances there is enough DPS to overwhelm a BS tank covered by logistics (read alpha damage).
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Vladmir Loki
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:10:00 -
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A 4/10 complex is about equal to a level 4 mission, so with two people that are used to working together this shouldn't be too hard. Now anything above is when it gets difficult. I've heard of two people clearing 5/10 plexes, but its a stretch and takes some skill. They do it for the challenge.
In low sec, theres really nothing a BC can't handle alone. In 0.0, depending on where you're flying (IE True Sec level), you'll want groups. As far as I know, there are either 4/10, 5/10 and 10/10 plexes. I remember in Trinity all races/regions were supposed to get the rest of the plexes, but I never saw anything but those three in Guristas space.
I tried doing a 4/10 solo in a Nighthawk, and was able to with a number of warp-outs. I tried doing a 5/10 solo in a faction-fitted and Rattlesnake and was too uncomfortable to stay for too long. I probably could have made it, but the risk was NOT worth the possible reward.
Regardless, you both will need to fit for tank AND damage. But if you're doing 0.0 plexes, that means you're probably (hopefully) in an alliance, which may be able to send some support your way. Most 0.0 alliances are full of carebears, so that shouldn't be a problem!
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Kirushi
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:37:00 -
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Yesterday ive made 5/10 Rouge Drone complex. Ive used 3 accs, 2 marauders and 1 looter. Every stage was fine until the last one with several drone BS, normal drones, one boss and the structure called Mother Drone which fired citadel torps every 30s aprox. doing 1400dmg to shield tanked golem. This structure tooks me about 10mins of sustaining fire (around 2400dps) until it dies. Last stage was a challenge for me tbh, didnt expect it so hard even for high skilled chars :)
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Draahk Chimera
Caldari
Monopropellant Fools
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:22:00 -
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Oh comon. Me and a friend ran a 6/10 guristas complex, was about as hard as a lvl 3 mission. I had a second account guardian standing by but never had to warp it in. Found a nice 1.3 billion hsield booster btw.
Escalating is a bit rougher. Last beacon my gang had a gurista tanked astarte for tank. Took his own 2 MAR II, 3 L solace remote reps from a guardian and 5 heavy maintinence bots from one of our domis to stabilize him :)
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vostok
Minmatar
Suns Of Korhal
deadspace society
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Kirushi
Yesterday ive made 5/10 Rouge Drone complex. Ive used 3 accs, 2 marauders and 1 looter. Every stage was fine until the last one with several drone BS, normal drones, one boss and the structure called Mother Drone which fired citadel torps every 30s aprox. doing 1400dmg to shield tanked golem. This structure tooks me about 10mins of sustaining fire (around 2400dps) until it dies. Last stage was a challenge for me tbh, didnt expect it so hard even for high skilled chars :)
were you sitting still?!
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Akasa Boyne
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:09:00 -
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I guess it must be different faction by faction because I can easily solo an 8/10 in my Ishtar. I do know that 10/10's do rock out some serious dps and I have only ever run them with a pure tank ship and logistic just to soak it up with others along for dps. Problem now is that the respawns tend to switch targets and that can cause real problems to the tank/logistic set up.
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DeFtron
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Posted - 2008.03.10 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kirushi
Edited by: Kirushi on 10/03/2008 13:22:07
Yesterday ive made 5/10 Rouge Drone complex. Ive used 3 accs, 2 marauders and 1 looter. Every stage was fine until the last one with several drone BS, normal drones, one boss and the structure called Mother Drone which fired citadel torps every 30s aprox. doing 1400dmg to shield tanked golem. This structure tooks me about 10mins of sustaining fire (around 2400dps) until it dies. Last stage was a challenge for me tbh, didnt expect it so hard even for high skilled chars :)
Edit: I forgot to say that mother drone tanks very hard, seems to no single BS can break it.
Hmmm? I did this plex few days ago with my domi (omnitank + 5x350mm t2 rails for some more lovin) and had no problems with tanking (single LAR II). One gate looked a bit hairy (when i got aggro from all that BS drones) but at the end turned out to be not so hard. That mother f.. sorry hive did some nasty dps at the end and had fast regen on shield and armor but my 700dps was enough to kill it. Loot from hive was poor but personal effects gave me some nice isk. No help needed.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.10 15:55:00 -
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I did a 6/10 sanshas plex the other day with a domi, tempest and zealot. The domi was a dual LAR tank with 5 hardeners, plus the tempest had 2 medium remote reps and 5 medium armor bots. The Domi tanked everything at once just fine, I'm pretty sure that I didn't even need the remote reps/drones. However, the overseers had NASTY tanks. The end one (2mil bounty only..) has 70% EM res, 85% Kin and Therm, and 90% explo resist. He repaired 1200 armor every 8 seconds, with the chance to repair 2400. That means you have to pull 1500 explosive, 1000 kinetic/thermal, or 500 EM DPS at a range of about 40km, just to even out his tank. So it's not a job for one BS, but if you have dual accounts (battleships), a 6/10 with a tank and a gank/remote rep should be easy peasy.
I racked up about 63mil worth of overseers, plus a faction item (worthless one though). Took about 3 hours for the 3 of us the first time around, including a half hour break. They're fun, and exciting, and potentially very lucrative. However, if you don't get either a good faction drop or an escalation, you'd be better off ratting. You also need to probe them out somewhere in 0.0, so if you don't own space, you'll have to worry about hostiles... and changing ships. If you plan to do 0.0 exploration without any kind of sov or friendly presence, you'll definitely need a carrier.
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Sao DaSilva
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: DeFtron
Originally by: Kirushi
Edited by: Kirushi on 10/03/2008 13:22:07
Yesterday ive made 5/10 Rouge Drone complex. Ive used 3 accs, 2 marauders and 1 looter. Every stage was fine until the last one with several drone BS, normal drones, one boss and the structure called Mother Drone which fired citadel torps every 30s aprox. doing 1400dmg to shield tanked golem. This structure tooks me about 10mins of sustaining fire (around 2400dps) until it dies. Last stage was a challenge for me tbh, didnt expect it so hard even for high skilled chars :)
Edit: I forgot to say that mother drone tanks very hard, seems to no single BS can break it.
Hmmm? I did this plex few days ago with my domi (omnitank + 5x350mm t2 rails for some more lovin) and had no problems with tanking (single LAR II). One gate looked a bit hairy (when i got aggro from all that BS drones) but at the end turned out to be not so hard. That mother f.. sorry hive did some nasty dps at the end and had fast regen on shield and armor but my 700dps was enough to kill it. Loot from hive was poor but personal effects gave me some nice isk. No help needed.
I got to the end of this one in a Raven (which tbh I don't have great skills in) but cleaned everything out apart from the Mother which I didn't have the dps to kill. However for future reference it won't armour tank if you are futher than 50k out and it doesn't fire the Thor missiles at you if you are further than 55k.
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Conq Er
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:46:00 -
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- Try searching eve-search.com with the name of the plex before you go in. It is unfortunate that d-nightmare's site http://www.d-nightmare.de/exploration/OGDB/database.php went down.
- Don't fit mods that you cannot afford to lose when you are doing an unknown plex.
- Take screenshots for future reference
- Don't do drone plexes, they are not worth the time
- Afterburner and Sentry drones are your friend (or other long range weapons).
- Be patient. One 6/10 took me over 5hrs to complete. OTH, some 8/10 can be solo'd under 2hrs time.
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Sinjuri
Out-of-Space
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kirushi
Edited by: Kirushi on 10/03/2008 13:22:07
... mother drone tanks very hard, seems to no single BS can break it.
oO Radiant hive mother drone or something like this?
Had never probs to kill it solo
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Agif
UnderDog Industries
Total Eclipse Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Oh comon. Me and a friend ran a 6/10 guristas complex, was about as hard as a lvl 3 mission. I had a second account guardian standing by but never had to warp it in. Found a nice 1.3 billion hsield booster btw.
Escalating is a bit rougher. Last beacon my gang had a gurista tanked astarte for tank. Took his own 2 MAR II, 3 L solace remote reps from a guardian and 5 heavy maintinence bots from one of our domis to stabilize him :)
Did a 6/10 solo before now in my geddon but it all depends on the plex and it gets rougher with each room so as long as you all go in as one being the tank and the rest able to throw bots on you, then you should have no worries :)
/Agif
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Neddy Fox
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.19 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Neddy Fox on 19/03/2008 12:32:19
Originally by: Kirushi
Edited by: Kirushi on 10/03/2008 13:22:07
Yesterday ive made 5/10 Rouge Drone complex. Ive used 3 accs, 2 marauders and 1 looter. Every stage was fine until the last one with several drone BS, normal drones, one boss and the structure called Mother Drone which fired citadel torps every 30s aprox. doing 1400dmg to shield tanked golem. This structure tooks me about 10mins of sustaining fire (around 2400dps) until it dies. Last stage was a challenge for me tbh, didnt expect it so hard even for high skilled chars :)
Edit: I forgot to say that mother drone tanks very hard, seems to no single BS can break it.
The Lesser mother :P
It took us 6 hours, but I did all the rooms in a BC, with a support ship repping me (4 months ago).
The mother itself was so tough then even 4 BC's didn't kill it (armor tank in godmode lol), so we got a skilled corpmember in a BS to finish it.
1 day later we hit the complex againlol, this time we took 3 BC's and a BS, and cleared it within an hour. Nice overseers tags (1-12 IIRC), worth a LOT back then.
We've also done a 5/10 in a Hyp, Paladin and basalisk, with a RLAR from the murauder, and shield reppers from the Basilisk. The first 20 seconds where VERY hectic, after that is was fine.
I take these missions anytime over another "Duo of Death", bleh.
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Neddy Fox
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.19 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Neddy Fox on 19/03/2008 12:31:45
Whoops
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