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Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:04:00 - [1] I've been flying around for hours jumping from low-sec system to low-sec system. I can't find ANYONE to shoot at. 99% of the people I've seen are flying from one gate to the next, and frigs can't PvP at a gate they get insta-popped. The other 1% are either in SS or at a POS because after several minutes of using the scanner and warping to belts and planets I can't find them. How can you have fun in low-sec in anything smaller than a set-up-to-tank-sentries BC or BS? Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Kaar Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:20:00 - [2] Best way is to go -5 so you are flashyflashy and sit on a gate and wait for people to shoot you. --- ---
SloBones Trill Crabulas	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:27:00 - [3] I would have to say in my experiences I have found belt piracy to be dead. Some may disagree with me but there is never anyone in belts anymore. Also I find that once I enter a system with a -10 sec status any one in belt either A) leave B) dock C) log. As far as finding some action in a frig in low sec I had some success in low deadspace facility Seyllin. It was a frig only deadspace and I would sit in the second pocket and kill anyone that came in. Kinda fun for frig fighting. As far as roaming I would suggest Hac's they can tank gate gun and still deal out damage. But that's not a cheap alternative. We Are Recruiting
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:30:00 - [4] Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 20:34:32 Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 20:32:41 Its still there though not nearly as common as it used to be. If I started playing EvE now I probably wouldn't have stayed due to this. However being able to fly other ships I can do other ways of yarr now. You still find the occasional retriever, hulk, or BC ratting. But its very uncommon. I'm actually feeling kinda lucky I got the belt fights I got in my video. Some days I cruised about for hours without finding anything, other days I found 3 BC same day in belts. Quote: As far as roaming I would suggest Hac's they can tank gate gun and still deal out damage. But that's not a cheap alternative. And most often not an isk efficient alternative, cause when you loose that HAC (you always loose ships at some point be it lag, DC; or blob) you probably haven't earned that much isk in loot and ransoms in the same time frame. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
SloBones Trill Crabulas	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:47:00 - [5] Originally by: General Coochie Quote: As far as roaming I would suggest Hac's they can tank gate gun and still deal out damage. But that's not a cheap alternative. And most often not an isk efficient alternative, cause when you loose that HAC (you always loose ships at some point be it lag, DC; or blob) you probably haven't earned that much isk in loot and ransoms in the same time frame. Very true I have been fortunate to not lose a deimos but the day will come and probably won't cover the cost in loot I get. BUt then again there is a juicy hauler that drops the 150 mil worth of good and pays for lots of things. We Are Recruiting
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Last Wolf on 11/03/2008 21:02:17 I'm just getting the hang of low-sec and stuff atm. I've been in 0.0 most of my EVE life and I'm just looking for a change. I can fly a sleipnir/nighthawk but I'd rather not risk that much isk till I've "learned the ropes" so to speak. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
MirrorGod Heretic Army DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:10:00 - [7] This
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:12:00 - [8] Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:12:47 Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:12:35 Originally by: MirrorGod This Still viable after the nos nerf? Nos broke the tank before, but now, what does it really do? Quote: BUt then again there is a juicy hauler that drops the 150 mil worth of good and pays for lots of things. true true, but I think a BC handles that almost as good ;) (Im no gatecamping expert though) The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Izzy Lizzy Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:18:00 - [9] They're out there mate. Just gotta be patient and have a bit of luck. Find a decent border system and you'll find ratters eventually. Sometimes it's dead but sometimes not. Last night I had a rifter v rifter in a belt and then 15 minutes later switched to a ruppy and soloed three rifters at once in a belt. All in the same system. No great kills to be sure but a lot of fun. Quote: The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:22:00 - [10] 3 cap power relays? I'm using a kessy atm. Mainly because I didn't want to be in a "Hey look, Mr rifter # 743087" 4x rocket launcher II MWD II, x5 web, 24km scram BCU II, 50mm RT plate (Couldn't think of anything else to put here that would fit. I have about 6 CPU and 7 PG left without the plate) I get around 105 DPS with caldari navy thorn rockets. around 84 DPS with javlins (with 25km range) I suppose I could swap the BCU for a MAPC then fit a 200mm plate, but where's the fun in that i'm starting to realize though i should have used tech 1 gear... or bought a crow. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:27:00 - [11] Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:28:13 It hasn't got much to do with the topic, just come and think about it reading Izzy Lizzy's post. I once warped to a belt with a nub rifter in it. (Im in thorax) I killed it, then in warps a new nub rifter, so I kill it, then in warps a nub thrasher and I kill that one to. Then in comes a fairly noobish rupture and I engage it, I'm winning but in warp another pirate rupture and a pirate jaguar, they lock me and 3 of them kill me. as far as I know just the jag and 2nd ruppy were together (flashfresh and jubes), all others were there just by chance. So sometimes it can get pretty crowded in belts aswell The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:47:00 - [12] It's tough, thats for sure. the kills come few and far between, and typically are just noobs that don't know any better. You get kill mails of vexors with lasers, and other bizarre fittings. and my favorite, The cruiser fit with whatever he managed to loot from rats at that time. Some times you find some serious business fights, but those are rare, unless you have a prober helping you.
Pestilence Aligher'ri	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Last Wolf I've been flying around for hours jumping from low-sec system to low-sec system. I can't find ANYONE to shoot at. 99% of the people I've seen are flying from one gate to the next, and frigs can't PvP at a gate they get insta-popped. The other 1% are either in SS or at a POS because after several minutes of using the scanner and warping to belts and planets I can't find them. How can you have fun in low-sec in anything smaller than a set-up-to-tank-sentries BC or BS? Piracy still can exist in 0.0 you know. Look at from a perspective as concord is to empire as <insert alliance-who-controls-X-space> is to X 0.0 region. Alliances that control the region are in fact, the law of that region until otherwise noted by a stronger alliance. Lighter ships (frigs/cruisers/anything else cheap to you) can still roam at ease in 0.0 solo than say a squad or 1 heavy ship (battlecruiser/battleship/anything else heavy or squad). So the ability to find targets is increase 90% when you start losing fear and start going to locations where targets can live and bet attacked based on your ship. Based on your ship means that today, very few pilots are in the belts of low security empire. You cannot tank sentry with a frigate and thus the only option is to go to a location where targets roam freely and or still visit belts time to time. The only option I see is 0.0. Back a year ago, I use to take a rifter to random 0.0 locations for the purpose of killing alliance haulers and miners. It was still viable at the time as frigates are good at dealing hard hitting damage and getting the hell out of there. Now times have changed and we have barges that are more buff and not so easy to rip to shreds but that doesn't mean there isn't other options. We have plenty of good cruisers out there and plenty of targets in 0.0 as well low security empire (other pirates -5 or below). Just have to find them, nothing is given to you.
Pestilence Aligher'ri	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 13/03/2008 04:51:52 Originally by: General Coochie Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:12:47 Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:12:35 Originally by: MirrorGod This Still viable after the nos nerf? Nos broke the tank before, but now, what does it really do? Quote: BUt then again there is a juicy hauler that drops the 150 mil worth of good and pays for lots of things. true true, but I think a BC handles that almost as good ;) (Im no gatecamping expert though) This setup was posted in like 2006 I believe. It was also posted by someone who spammed it on the forums for added fame. I don't knock setups unless I have flown them and I have to say the setup, even at the time, wasn't something I would fly for belt pirating (when it was viable). The thing is, it got attention not because of the setup really but because anyone with guns fitted could kill a osprey mining a rock or a caracal killing a cruiser spawn. So the setup got spammed as being good based on the fact that anyone can point and click-kill a easy target in a belt.
Inertial	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Pestilence Aligher'ri Edited by: Pestilence Aligher''ri on 13/03/2008 04:51:52 Originally by: General Coochie Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:12:47 Edited by: General Coochie on 11/03/2008 21:12:35 Originally by: MirrorGod This Still viable after the nos nerf? Nos broke the tank before, but now, what does it really do? Quote: BUt then again there is a juicy hauler that drops the 150 mil worth of good and pays for lots of things. true true, but I think a BC handles that almost as good ;) (Im no gatecamping expert though) This setup was posted in like 2006 I believe. It was also posted by someone who spammed it on the forums for added fame. I don't knock setups unless I have flown them and I have to say the setup, even at the time, wasn't something I would fly for belt pirating (when it was viable). The thing is, it got attention not because of the setup really but because anyone with guns fitted could kill a osprey mining a rock or a caracal killing a cruiser spawn. So the setup got spammed as being good based on the fact that anyone can point and click-kill a easy target in a belt. It is a good setup, and definitively viable after NOS nerf. It isn't based on doing damage, but on slowly killing the enemy while you tank them. The NOS is there to keep your own tank going, not to drain the enemys. I am running my own version of this setup atm.
Pestilence Aligher'ri	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:00:00 - [16] 1 small armor repairer is not a tank. The idea behind the setup was that you could not be touched when close enough. That is not the case really anymore. Having 3 CPR fitted is also suicide, even during that time period. It's was like taking a Raven with PDU's vs a Raven with BCU's. It just doesn't function in PvP correctly. Like I said, the setup was way overhyped. I could kill carebears in a stiletto with no tank and all CPR in lows during that time. Doesn't make it a valid setup.
ry ry	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:45:00 - [17] a punisher should have autocannons. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Stakhanov	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:16:00 - [18] Join us for infinite targets. A frigate is good enough for everyday piracy. Ask the master of rifters for advice. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Locked I don't believe that a link to a RickRoll video constitutes proof, even in CAOD.
Ka Jolo	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:21:00 - [19] You need to lower your expectations, target-wise. If you plan to find one viable target for every 2 hours of solo roaming, you'll be satisfied. Some days it'll take longer, other days you'll be on a shooting spree. Lowsec is not target-rich for any single pilot. Now if you're in a well-organized gang, on the other hand, you'll be able to take on all kinds of targets, and probably even at gates or stations; but you'll arguably be having less fun. Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
flashfresh	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:38:00 - [20] Originally by: General Coochie .........and a pirate jaguar, they lock me and 3 of them kill me. as far as I know just the jag and 2nd ruppy were together (flashfresh and jubes)..... Hi Gen, Yeah - it was a free for all. No idea who was working with who but I was with Jubes. We popped everyone else there too. Pirates, dontcha love 'em. Anyway, solo belt piracy is not dead but pickings can be a bit random. Feast or famine really. I still go solo but I have to range far and wide to get kills, a single night I might make a total of 80-100 jumps. It's tiring but what the hell. Best bet is to locate a border system (Eifer comes to mind....) and move about the belts. You do get noobs and more experienced pilots-who-should-know-better coming into belts looking for juicy rat spawns. So you might get lucky. Those who SS can be probed out but fitting a scan probe on a T1 frigate and having it combat worthy is next to impossible. Piracy is a way of life, you live it 100%. It's not possible to pirate occasionally and get kills and ransoms ever day. Stick with it, go for a couple of months, pick a system and get to know it and see how it goes. Flashfresh ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:57:00 - [21] There are some systems that people go to specifically to look for fights, in particular Amamake. I'd go there if I roam for a half hour and can't find anything to shoot.
Dosgar	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:05:00 - [22] Originally by: ry ry a punisher should have autocannons. Word. Nice dps + solid resistance and armour + lots of lovely cap = win I like blasters too, but they can be hard to fit
SloBones	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:43:00 - [23] Originally by: General Coochie true true, but I think a BC handles that almost as good ;) (Im no gatecamping expert though) Very true didn't know the OP could fly a b/c. I would go with a B/C. Now that tanks are nerfed a little (nerf tank in the boost patch but we won't go there right now will we) gates guns hurt a little more. It's a noticeable difference. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. We Are Recruiting
Jeronica	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:18:00 - [24] Ive found (for the time i was roaming a bit ago) that people waiting in belts are usually PVP fitted and waiting for a target. No one actually rats in lowsec anymore, and if they are they have friends and dock up asap. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:25:00 - [25] You can also tank the sentries in the Plate cruiser setups just have to pick haulers or easy targets. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

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