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sister moonryze	Posted - 2008.03.12 00:56:00 - [1] A corpmate has been the victim of a high sec gank without concord interferrence. How is it done? Simple. Player 1 creates a dummy corp. Player 2 creates a dummy corp. (note these two corps can be alts of the same person) These corps declare war. Player one now asks for help in a mission. The victim agrees and flys to the "mission point"- where player 2 is waiting. Since the two players are at "war". the innocent victim becomes prey to player two. This is done in high sec without concord interferrence because the innocent player has joined a gang of a person whose corp is at war with another. SOOO BE AWARE, read the window carefully before accepting a fleet invite, it just may be a gank scheme. Personnally I believe this to be contrary to the design of eve in that one person corps can declare war with the sole intent to grief others. However it is not considered an exploit by eve. Fly safe out there!! Moonryze
sister moonryze	Posted - 2008.03.12 00:56:00 - [2] A corpmate has been the victim of a high sec gank without concord interferrence. How is it done? Simple. Player 1 creates a dummy corp. Player 2 creates a dummy corp. (note these two corps can be alts of the same person) These corps declare war. Player one now asks for help in a mission. The victim agrees and flys to the "mission point"- where player 2 is waiting. Since the two players are at "war". the innocent victim becomes prey to player two. This is done in high sec without concord interferrence because the innocent player has joined a gang of a person whose corp is at war with another. SOOO BE AWARE, read the window carefully before accepting a fleet invite, it just may be a gank scheme. Personnally I believe this to be contrary to the design of eve in that one person corps can declare war with the sole intent to grief others. However it is not considered an exploit by eve. Fly safe out there!! Moonryze
Dyaven Gallente Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:01:00 - [3] Ooooooooooooold news. ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
RedMajere	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:01:00 - [4] its called loftying, welcome to the club
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:01:00 - [5] I have an alt I sometimes do missions with while I am at war. My alt always gets a warning that I (the person she/he ganged with) am at war and that they are now a target. Since you get a warning how is that a gank? Learn to read the warnings, don't trun em off, or don't click through em without reading em. It is has simple has that. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Dyaven Gallente Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:01:00 - [6] Ooooooooooooold news. ---- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Addams
RedMajere	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:01:00 - [7] its called loftying, welcome to the club
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:01:00 - [8] I have an alt I sometimes do missions with while I am at war. My alt always gets a warning that I (the person she/he ganged with) am at war and that they are now a target. Since you get a warning how is that a gank? Learn to read the warnings, don't trun em off, or don't click through em without reading em. It is has simple has that. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Ducale Gallente Wolf Stone	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:02:00 - [9] I may be new around here but I've learned something about this: Don't help people not in your corp. If in the newb corp don't help anyone. It's pretty simple: 1) Everyone is out to get you. That's not Paranoia it's Eve. 2) You can't trust anyone. See #1 above for reason why. 3) Become self-reliant because of #2 above. Pretty straightforward. I try not to respond to anyone in local unless I'm bored. I answer no questions about where I am going, what I am doing, what I am flying. I ignore any cries for help unless it's someone in corp I know or trust, which happens to be no one. It may be cynical, but I learn from my environment and this one is very hostile.
Ducale Gallente Wolf Stone	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:02:00 - [10] I may be new around here but I've learned something about this: Don't help people not in your corp. If in the newb corp don't help anyone. It's pretty simple: 1) Everyone is out to get you. That's not Paranoia it's Eve. 2) You can't trust anyone. See #1 above for reason why. 3) Become self-reliant because of #2 above. Pretty straightforward. I try not to respond to anyone in local unless I'm bored. I answer no questions about where I am going, what I am doing, what I am flying. I ignore any cries for help unless it's someone in corp I know or trust, which happens to be no one. It may be cynical, but I learn from my environment and this one is very hostile.

gfldex Kabelkopp	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:11:00 - [11] Originally by: sister moonryze A corpmate has been the victim of a high sec gank without concord interferrence. You may want to show him this link. -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
Epoh Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal I have an alt I sometimes do missions with while I am at war. My alt always gets a warning that I (the person she/he ganged with) am at war and that they are now a target. Since you get a warning how is that a gank? Learn to read the warnings, don't trun em off, or don't click through em without reading em. It is has simple has that. It can be done so you don't get a warning. ie. (where players 1,3, and 4 are in on the scam) player 1 asks for help. player 1 isn't at war naiive good hearted player 2 joins player 1 to help player 3 joins player 1 to 'help' as well player 4, who is at war with player 3, joins to 'help' as well At this point player 2 wouldn't have gotten any warning at all and would be free to gank by either player 3 or 4
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Epoh At this point player 2 wouldn't have gotten any warning at all and would be free to gank by either player 3 or 4 This is not 100% accurate. In that situation the person doesn't get a specific warning about warring gangs. He should still get the usual warning about joining an arbitrary gang though which sounds like this: "**** wants you to join their fleet, do you accept? No one in this fleet is in a corporation that is currently at war. However, be aware that if fellow fleet members' corporations go to war with other corporations you become vulnerable to attack by members of those corporations.** You do not have the right to attack those parties unless they attack you first. NOTE: Attacking members of your fleet is not a CONCORD sanctioned activity and may result in security status loss and police response." Each and everyone recieves this warning! so there is no excuse.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:48:00 - [14] I for one and shocked and surprised by this newfound information and turn of events.
Nyabinghi Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.12 01:55:00 - [15] This is along the same lines of can baiting outside of noob stations. I mean you gotta be really, really, really bored or really, really, really lame, or really suck at PVP if you gotta pull tricks like this in order to pew-pew other players. There should be a sharded server, kinda like the children's table where the immature can go knock each other about. ***
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.12 02:06:00 - [16] Originally by: sister moonryze A corpmate has been the victim of a high sec gank without concord interferrence. How is it done? Simple. Player 1 creates a dummy corp. Player 2 creates a dummy corp. (note these two corps can be alts of the same person) These corps declare war. Player one now asks for help in a mission. The victim agrees and flys to the "mission point"- where player 2 is waiting. Since the two players are at "war". the innocent victim becomes prey to player two. This is done in high sec without concord interferrence because the innocent player has joined a gang of a person whose corp is at war with another. SOOO BE AWARE, read the window carefully before accepting a fleet invite, it just may be a gank scheme. Personnally I believe this to be contrary to the design of eve in that one person corps can declare war with the sole intent to grief others. However it is not considered an exploit by eve. Fly safe out there!! Moonryze answer me this....why is it your dumb ass doesnt READ the little warning box stating "THIS PERSON IS IN A CORPORATIONW HO IS CURRENTLY AT A WAR WITH (INSERT CORP NAME HERE)". Reading that convenient pop up before joining the gang would save you this post... ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Shilikahn	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:56:00 - [17] Its a lame tactic. but the best way to handle it is to warp to them, mid-warp drop from the gang, and if they fire on you watch them get concordokken. warp in at range as always and you can see what they have in store for you. Its done constantly in lvl4 mission space. motsu, dodixie. Rather a bad tactic to use as it does create a bad environment for those truly wishing to help others. Usually they ask you to setup for a specific mission and what ship you have. CCP says its a valid mechanic but it just gets old
goodby4u	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:05:00 - [18] Somebody who was terrible tried that on me way back when a was less then half a year old. I killed him
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 04:09:59 Originally by: sister moonryze A corpmate has been the victim of a high sec gank without concord interferrence. How is it done? Simple. Player 1 creates a dummy corp. Player 2 creates a dummy corp. (note these two corps can be alts of the same person) These corps declare war. Player one now asks for help in a mission. The victim agrees and flys to the "mission point"- where player 2 is waiting. Since the two players are at "war". the innocent victim becomes prey to player two. This is done in high sec without concord interferrence because the innocent player has joined a gang of a person whose corp is at war with another. SOOO BE AWARE, read the window carefully before accepting a fleet invite, it just may be a gank scheme. Personnally I believe this to be contrary to the design of eve in that one person corps can declare war with the sole intent to grief others. However it is not considered an exploit by eve. Fly safe out there!! Moonryze I believe it is contrary to the design of eve to sit in starter corps for an eternity Originally by: Nyabinghi This is along the same lines of can baiting outside of noob stations. I mean you gotta be really, really, really bored or really, really, really lame, or really suck at PVP if you gotta pull tricks like this in order to pew-pew other players. There should be a sharded server, kinda like the children's table where the immature can go knock each other about. Or maybe. . . Just maybe there was a major profit opportunity. . . but since you are so mature and so knowledgeable it is clearly because every one who dosen't shoot little red crosses in motsu is an acne ridden teenager who listens to (insert choice of music that you hate and therefore every one you hate listens to it)
Reven Darklight	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:13:00 - [20] Edited by: Reven Darklight on 13/03/2008 05:13:17 Originally by: Ducale 1) Everyone is out to get you. That's not Paranoia it's Eve. 2) You can't trust anyone. See #1 above for reason why. 3) Become self-reliant because of #2 above. its all true and at the same time funny, i especially like number 1

Dirk Magnum	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:15:00 - [21] i think Lofty is a pretty cool guy. eh flies for bob and doesn't afraid of anything tbh.
Sileam	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:30:00 - [22] Such behavior is a thing that destroys community. EVE enviroment is hostile enough... When you enter the game for your first times you're lost in the big world, it's already VERY difficult to make friends and actualy "meet" someone, 'cause everyone is rushing somewhere (it's not as "natural" as in other MMO games). So imagine a friendly guy that just tries to have some fun at his first missions, asks for help in Local and... gets blown away by some dumbazz who exlpoit WarDecs. He will never ask or be willing to help ANYONE later. So it's not a good way to improove the community...
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Sileam Such behavior is a thing that destroys community. EVE enviroment is hostile enough... When you enter the game for your first times you're lost in the big world, it's already VERY difficult to make friends and actualy "meet" someone, 'cause everyone is rushing somewhere (it's not as "natural" as in other MMO games). So imagine a friendly guy that just tries to have some fun at his first missions, asks for help in Local and... gets blown away by some dumbazz who exlpoit WarDecs. He will never ask or be willing to help ANYONE later. So it's not a good way to improove the community... Or YOU could make the gang as opposed to letting x invite you. Also making friends is easy I undocked and got invited to some chump corp on my first day
Samantha Watanabe	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [24] I propose that everyone who falls for the lofty has to watch a rick roll video for the full duration. They'll be so traumatized that they'll either quit or make it their business to actually let other random carebears know about this tactic so these threads stop popping up every 12 hours or so.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Sileam Such behavior is a thing that destroys community. EVE enviroment is hostile enough... When you enter the game for your first times you're lost in the big world, it's already VERY difficult to make friends and actualy "meet" someone, 'cause everyone is rushing somewhere (it's not as "natural" as in other MMO games). So imagine a friendly guy that just tries to have some fun at his first missions, asks for help in Local and... gets blown away by some dumbazz who exlpoit WarDecs. He will never ask or be willing to help ANYONE later. So it's not a good way to improove the community... Thats not whats happening. Most victims of this tactic are mission runner full of deadspace and officer mods. Its about isk. Look the video "Carebear Sorrows" by vasili van holst (or however that dude is called...) you'll be amazed.
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:23:00 - [26] Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 13/03/2008 08:23:27 Originally by: Khanid Kutie answer me this....why is it your dumb ass doesnt READ the little warning box stating ... Hey - DUMBASS! You obviously don't know how a 'lofty' works since you think you actually get that 'at war' warning box - sod off back to noobland... -- There are some men that things should not come to know
Bellum Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:28:00 - [27] Originally by: sister moonryze A corpmate has been the victim of a high sec gank without concord interferrence. How is it done? Simple. Player 1 creates a dummy corp. Player 2 creates a dummy corp. (note these two corps can be alts of the same person) These corps declare war. Player one now asks for help in a mission. The victim agrees and flys to the "mission point"- where player 2 is waiting. Since the two players are at "war". the innocent victim becomes prey to player two. This is done in high sec without concord interferrence because the innocent player has joined a gang of a person whose corp is at war with another. SOOO BE AWARE, read the window carefully before accepting a fleet invite, it just may be a gank scheme. Personnally I believe this to be contrary to the design of eve in that one person corps can declare war with the sole intent to grief others. However it is not considered an exploit by eve. Fly safe out there!! Moonryze OMG! No one's ever thought of this before! Amazing! Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I


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