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Beavatar
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:00:00 -
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OM"F"G
The interface on this game is painful to us new guys.
Old guys spent the 2-6 weeks to learn it.
Vets, my hat is off to you for being able to get through all of EVE's inital bull****.
As a noob, I have better things to do with my life than to spend an hour trying to figure out how to recharge a rail gun.
And for you Eve dev's.
Fix your god dam interface or you will always be a shadow in the face of other MMO's.
To take examples from other games:
-Currently equiped [Bow] or [Gun] (An icon is boldly displayed to show which)
-Mouse over it, requires [Arrows] or [Bullets] and for level 1 people they should be readily available at the closest store / vendor / base.
Who gives a **** how much the bow's weigh of the arrows cost at level one?! The new guy just wants to learn and still get to kill some stuff.
Eve? dudes seriously, your interface sucks.
Sean
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:10:00 -
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Did you come from Steam?
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:30:00 -
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The interface on this game is painful to us new guys.
Old guys spent the 2-6 weeks to learn it.
Honestly, each new game has its specifics. "Vets" had to learn exactly the same as new players today, really. there is no remarkable difference with this partof the game.
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Vets, my hat is off to you for being able to get through all of EVE's inital bull****.
Sounds like a compliment, but then, its a diffrent game breaking with many rules of the other MMOs you mentioned. More than that, its settled in a totally different environment. A GUI being different doesnt necessarily make it bad. Personally, i would hate if every game regardless of its background and environment would have exactly the same GUI, and where's room for evolution and development if everyone would just adopt classic stuff forever?
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As a noob, I have better things to do with my life than to spend an hour trying to figure out how to recharge a rail gun.
Geez, so you're saying it is hard and complicated to
a) put ammo in your cargo and
b) rightclick on your gun and click RELOAD (not to mention the fact that there is something called auto-reload...)
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And for you Eve dev's.
Fix your god dam interface or you will always be a shadow in the face of other MMO's.
Im not 100% happy about every aspect of the game GUI myself, even as a 4+ year subscriber, but i would certainly not like if eve would turn into just another "World of Wombles" clone, just because the rest of the world prefers to stick with selling classics rather than showing courage to invent something new.
Besides the whole environment it is also the breaking with so called classic skill level based MMOs that keeps me sticking to eve.
Eve can be improved for sure, but for a start it's overall mechanics work pretty well the way they do.
I still hope to see more games breaking with many of the outdated old classic conventions, but so far this didnt happen to my personal satisfaction.
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To take examples from other games:
-Currently equiped [Bow] or [Gun] (An icon is boldly displayed to show which)
Dude, where is your problem with that? I really have no clue. Each module, including guns, have their own individual icon. When loaded, they show the type of ammo loaded (which, for your interest, is something you dont find in most of those "other MMOs" btw).
Additionally, you get the detailed status of the modules (active, inactive, damaged, avaiable or disabled).
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-Mouse over it, requires [Arrows] or [Bullets] and for level 1 people they should be readily available at the closest store / vendor / base.
Indeed something we dont have, but why should i be missing it?
When you buy something you see the small skillbook icon in the market details. if its green you can use it if its red it will show a "compressed" reason why not AKA which skills are missing. for a detailed list just click the question mark and read the "required skills tab".
Again, i cant see why this is such a dramatic thing for your to mention. Eve is already a very graphics-intensive thing, having windows popping up everytime the mouse moves over any modules would kill any joy and cause intensive "additional interface lag" and its not even necessary.
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Who gives a **** how much the bow's weigh of the arrows cost at level one?! The new guy just wants to learn and still get to kill some stuff.
Sorry, i cant even imagine what you're trying to say here. having the additional info is a gift, not a right... if you dont need it you can ignore it. if youre advancing in the game you will learn to be thankful for the information given because it will turn out to be very useful to know all these things.
In fact, eve and all its attributes make it easier than any other game i know when it comes to calculating or even just estimating the effect of any given item, other games work very differently here.
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Tajen Kata
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:31:00 -
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as a 2 year vet hiding behind this noob alt I fully support doing something about the interface. It has been improved over time and at this rate it'll match the wow's polish around year 2050.
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Valoure
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:31:00 -
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Does he know this is not a WoW spin-off, but a more adult game. Wanna know something, just ask, there are thousands of players who will fall over themselves to help.
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tajen Kata
as a 2 year vet hiding behind this noob alt I fully support doing something about the interface. It has been improved over time and at this rate it'll match the wow's polish around year 2050.
honestly, im not just limited to modern or future based MMOs, but anyone putting up WoW as any kind of reference other than just being a good example how you can earn millions by keeping up old ways/habits and not risking to create something innovative or different at all cost is just proving that he's not really worth arguing with.
Every game, even WoW, has its purpose, but plain SALES dont make something perfect, its just a sign of satisfying the masses - and history easily shows us that this is usually rather bad than any good at long sight ;)
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Melody Zastra
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:45:00 -
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Eve is a complex game. Even after playing for 3 years, there's still enormous amount that I don't know about. That's what gives the game such a long-term playing appeal.
All the information given on each module and ship is vital if you're going to be a successful pilot.
Also there is the rookie channel and your noob corp where people will be more than willing to answer any questions you have.
Realistically though, it sounds to me like Eve is not really for you. It does need a lot of thinking about and is not a hack and slash game (unless you're in Goonswarm).
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Confuzer
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:51:00 -
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I understood the interface in a very short time. Probably you are just one of the dumber ones of our society. No worries, it'll come to ya :)
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Rumtseyes McShade
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:56:00 -
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I AGREE ! All MMOs interface should look like the one in WoW, coz it's soooooooooo suuuper game :D
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Imperatum
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:41:00 -
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how about you go back to wow and let the adults play eve 
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AthlonJedi
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:42:00 -
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Since when do the words Eve-Online start with a W?????
Dude, quit your whining, what you p***ed off because your not running around on a horse ? or maybe its tip to an even deeper fasination with horses? you know the kind we cant mention here. It took me all of 20 min to figure out how to use the eve interface and whats worse MY 6 YR OLD SON PVPs IN EVE BETTER THAN I DO.
so apparently there must be an issue with your frontal lobe , If you cant figure out how to do something a drunken ape could learn, well maybe Eve is too adult of game for you and you should get back to playing with your horses.
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Ezzerhadden
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:50:00 -
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It's great and separating the chaff from the wheat. Sorry to say it but if those little issues were enough to turn you off then I believe we are the better for it. Consider it an IQ test to be an EvE pilot.
Airlock is to your right. Have a nice day. 
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shaunc
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:53:00 -
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I like the interface being a little complicated, you're supposed to be flying a huge spaceship with hundreds of different systems and types of information avalible. You can also juggle the screen about to suit you. WoW on the other hand hasyou as a hairy midget running round hitting things with an axe, i confess i've never played but it hardly sounds like it would require a particulary complicated interface.
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War Seraphin
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:57:00 -
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so when are we getting bows and arrows for teh spaceships?
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:11:00 -
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Haha, I love all the 'Eve is an adult game' comments in the same paragraphs as childish insults. Only in Eve.
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ArchenTheGreat
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:17:00 -
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Yes, CCP fails at implementing GUI but not for reasons OP stated. CCP have many good ideas but they make a lot of bugs during implementing them. I mean many simple bugs:
- lists refreshing content too often and too slow
- too small buttons with wrongly placed active area
- overview transparent for clicks (fixed after like 2 years)
- artifacts on overview
etc.
They are little, simple to fix but very annoying bugs.
Unfortunately what an OP writes about is: EVE is too hard for me. And this is my friend something CCP can't fix because EVE is meant to be hard and complicated. And GUI has nothing to do with it.
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TheMailman
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:27:00 -
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why oh why was not eve interface build with the generic kool-kid asian mmorpg builder :< woulda been awesome *insert sarcasm here* |
Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:27:00 -
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eve: player 1 hey guys how do i reload a gun ?
player 2 right click your gun.......
wow: player 1 hey guys where can i find fetid rodents?
player 2 up your mums bum lolz
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Eleana Tomelac
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Beavatar
The interface on this game is painful to us new guys.
Old guys spent the 2-6 weeks to learn it.
Wait, using a ship properly and all basic stuff? 1 evening no more, if you think I'm a genius, thanks, the other option is... I'm sorry for you.
Originally by: Beavatar
Vets, my hat is off to you for being able to get through all of EVE's inital bull****.
Thing named tutorial told me what I needed to be able to play...
Originally by: Beavatar
As a noob, I have better things to do with my life than to spend an hour trying to figure out how to recharge a rail gun.
An hour to recharge?
Didn't you try to ask in local or rookie help channel? And you don't know the very basic windows behaviour : 'when you don't know what to do, right click'...
Are you sure there is nothing in the tutorial about this?
And for you Eve dev's.
Fix your god dam interface or you will always be a shadow in the face of other MMO's.
To take examples from other games:
-Currently equiped [Bow] or [Gun] (An icon is boldly displayed to show which)
-Mouse over it, requires [Arrows] or [Bullets] and for level 1 people they should be readily available at the closest store / vendor / base.
Who gives a **** how much the bow's weigh of the arrows cost at level one?! The new guy just wants to learn and still get to kill some stuff.
Eve? dudes seriously, your interface sucks.
Sean
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Sareem
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Melody Zastra
Eve is a complex game. Even after playing for 3 years, there's still enormous amount that I don't know about. That's what gives the game such a long-term playing appeal.
I agree at 100%
Eve's not only a game, but a mental exercise and a place to be, not a place to run trough. I never get tired of discovering something new.
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Aros Faren
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Posted - 2008.03.14 00:57:00 -
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While I would agree that the GUI is the worst in the business, it's not for the same reasons as the OP. I loathe it because it's like doing file maintainence in Windows Explorer with a pretty theme. Actually, Windows Explorer is a lot more customisable than EVE's GUI.
But what the OP is complaining about is not the GUI - it's the complexity. That's something I'm thankful for because it sends the Steamboys packing pdq :)
Which begs the question(s): Steam? What were they smoking? Couldn't they get it onto BattleNet?
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