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Lirt
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:55:00 -
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-10% exp res to shield and -10% em res to armor.
Who benefits from both? lets see
Amarr em/thermal (was a boost indeed)
Caldari kinetic ONLY (no damage boost, lets see when CCP wakes up)
Gallente thermal/kinetic (no damage boost)
Minmatar ALL types (double damage boost)
And that noob in the other thread wants ANOTHER minmatar boost like they didn't already got a damage one. 
Whine all you want below, you got a boost no matter what you say.
I wonder why new people still make caldari...
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:16:00 -
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For last time> WRONG!! Usign EMP is path to failure!!!
In eve targets don't have equal Armor and shield tanks!! they have 1 of them good and the other bad!!
If you fighting an enemy with 500 dps tank on armor and 30 on shields. What would be best an ammo that lets you deal 600 dps to armor and 200 to shields, like fusion... Or an ammo like emp that lets you deal 499 dps to armor and 499 dps to shields? The EMP one deals far higher total dps, but is unable to break the tank...
If you can grasp why EM/Explo combination in ammo is bad, then stop posting.
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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: CmdoColin on 13/03/2008 15:21:04
 Originally by: Lirt
Caldari kinetic ONLY (no damage boost, lets see when CCP wakes up)
So my 8 425mm Rokh doesn't do thermal? When will most Caldari players wake up and realise kinetic missiles aren't the automatic choice for missioning playing.
Can you actually fly minmatar ships? I find rails do better dps than arty. Arty's advantage is spike damage - which has it uses, but in every otherway I find rails out perform arty in the field - rather than eft.
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OutSane
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:25:00 -
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your assuming you shooting an untanked target, as of the latest patch my tempest's lowest resist on armour is EM (of course im changing that...now that i've announced it to the world)
I've always liked EMP ammo, no sane armour tank but a EM hardener (before anyways...70% was pretty good) now its 60% (for my pest at anty rate) 60% is not good for a proper tank...if someone was to open up on my EM ammo would kill me much faster.
Lirt: as for caldari...erm what stopping the missile masters from using em missiles? gallente can use Amarr drones in their droneboats.
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Megan Maynard
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
For last time> WRONG!! Usign EMP is path to failure!!!
In eve targets don't have equal Armor and shield tanks!! they have 1 of them good and the other bad!!
If you fighting an enemy with 500 dps tank on armor and 30 on shields. What would be best an ammo that lets you deal 600 dps to armor and 200 to shields, like fusion... Or an ammo like emp that lets you deal 499 dps to armor and 499 dps to shields? The EMP one deals far higher total dps, but is unable to break the tank...
If you can grasp why EM/Explo combination in ammo is bad, then stop posting.
Funny people keep saying that.......
I like autos with EMP
EMP 4tw
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Gneeznow
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:30:00 -
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I fly amarr and minmatar and I've been double boosted this patch ! awesome
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:42:00 -
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While Caldari PREFER kinetic damage, missile boats get to choose between kinetic/thermal/explosive/em damage. In MOST cases, Kinetic damage is the best choice since the +25% damage bonus is enough to offset the possible bonuses from attacking a weaker resist. And any tank reduction is a boost to the raven, who get's a damage bonus through +25% ROF increase.
Gallente ships often get lots of their DPS from drones. Like missiels, drones let you choose your damage type so it's still a boost to them.
But I'd say that Amarr benefits the most from this because their primary damage is EM which has been more than a little weak for awhile now. I'd say it's fine that Amarr benefits the most when they were the ones suffering for a good damage type the most.
Minmitar on the other hand get double nerfed in this boost because they tank both armor and shields so that offsets the fact that they got a boost from the damag
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Wideen
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:49:00 -
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Caldari needs more dmg? I guess the +1000 dps torp raven just isn't enough for you.
Amarr got a boost, very nice. ENP ammo? slight boost but who cares, seriously, projectiles have low dps anyways (yes I fly all above). It's all in order.
Originally by: F'nog
Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
-10% exp res to shield and -10% em res to armor.
Who benefits from both? lets see
Amarr em/thermal (was a boost indeed)
Caldari kinetic ONLY (no damage boost, lets see when CCP wakes up)
Gallente thermal/kinetic (no damage boost)
Minmatar ALL types (double damage boost)
And that noob in the other thread wants ANOTHER minmatar boost like they didn't already got a damage one.
Whine all you want below, you got a boost no matter what you say.
I wonder why new people still make caldari...
last time i heard that missiles can fully chose their dmg so...
OMG!!!! they boosted caldari!!!!
they have both explo and EM missiles!!!!
for amarr is a good thing and much needed, for minnie i think the difference will be not that huge, emp or eventual T2 will be bit more effective vs shields but prob they will be quite similar to PP (just speculation ofc :P)
Originally by: Diana Merris
Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Lirt
-10% exp res to shield and -10% em res to armor.
Who benefits from both? lets see
Amarr em/thermal (was a boost indeed)
Caldari kinetic ONLY (no damage boost, lets see when CCP wakes up)
Gallente thermal/kinetic (no damage boost)
Minmatar ALL types (double damage boost)
And that noob in the other thread wants ANOTHER minmatar boost like they didn't already got a damage one.
Whine all you want below, you got a boost no matter what you say.
I wonder why new people still make caldari...
last time i heard that missiles can fully chose their dmg so...
OMG!!!! they boosted caldari!!!!
they have both explo and EM missiles!!!!
for amarr is a good thing and much needed, for minnie i think the difference will be not that huge, emp or eventual T2 will be bit more effective vs shields but prob they will be quite similar to PP (just speculation ofc :P)
Yea, I'd say Caldari is doing just fine. Sure my primary weapons are still Kn missiles but it's nice to know that if I need to switch out damage types I have a 10% boost to damage to EM/EXP. I carry a few reloads of each when I'm out and about just in case anyway.
Caldari is the king of versatility. I don't expect us to do better damage than the gankiest ships I don't expect us to outrun the fastest ships (unless it's a crow :P) and I don't expect to have the tankiest ship. I like being able to choose to do all of these things pretty well rather than throwing all my eggs in one basket.
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Nian Banks
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:05:00 -
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My shield tanking ships, the cyclone, sleipnir, claymore and maelstrom don't like the change too much.
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Lirt
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:37:00 -
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topic is about minmatar not caldari, rofl 
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.03.13 19:28:00 -
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News Flash :
Acolythes just been boosted !!!!!
To shelters !!!
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ToonAsju
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
topic is about minmatar not caldari, rofl
Ur dumber than a bag of hammers if you think that only minni gains smth.
Amarr - boost
Matar - boost
Caldari - also boost (cos every1 uses missiles with caldari)
Gallente - no boost cos it doesn't really need any
Just delete the topic and never post again...
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: ToonAsju
Originally by: Lirt
topic is about minmatar not caldari, rofl
Ur dumber than a bag of hammers if you think that only minni gains smth.
Amarr - boost
Matar - boost
Caldari - also boost (cos every1 uses missiles with caldari)
Gallente - no boost cos it doesn't really need any
Just delete the topic and never post again...
How caldari got a boost? rofl, they use kinetic missiles except from 1 ship. Seriously stop posting crap.
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:42:00 -
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Actually..
Amarr - boost and nerf.
They're leveling the resistances, meaning omniresistances will get stonger. That means more people will fit invulnerability fields and nanos rather than the exp/kin/therm active harderners.
Gallente - Nerf
Worse resistances for the two damage types you do not deal. Explosive would be fine, warriors and zerks ftw, but coupled with the increadibly strong invulns, meh, its neither a boost or a nerf.
Minmatar - Nerf and boost.
They can often pick their damagetypes, missiles are common, as are ships using invulnerability fields. They can cripple themselves into picking about a third of their damagetype, however whatever they strike with, they will strike aresistance that is relatively stronger now than it was before the patch.
Caldari - Boost, boots and boost.
Can chose damagetype entirely. No sideeffects. A minority of the sihps void their kinetic bonus, which could be considered a slight nerf, but considering the vastly superior invulnerability fields ant the option of always fighting the holes(which just became greater due to the omnitankboost...)
Real winner of this change? Caldari.
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:50:00 -
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EMP sucks pretty bad tbh. Mostly using other ammunition is much better. Emp is the ammunition for the lazy and the cheap. So stop whining please. This must be thread 101 since wednesday. This change has been announced long ago and has been discussed to death.
Apart from that if you ever find a reason to shoot exp at shield tankers(i.e. because you're an idiot) or em at armor (i.e. because its certain t2 ships or active tanked ones) then you have the option to change to the respective missiles. On most ships you will not recieve your damage bonus but you will still improve the damage dealt.
And kinetic is a nice damage type anyway.
And as for caldari boosts: caldari agility change, falcon/bb boost, ecm using (even)less cap, torp boost, railboat fixes...
Oh you are such a poor guy. When will ccp finally do something for caldari. Oh wait they've done in the two latest major patches but you don't care or understand.
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Jeetah
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:10:00 -
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How about the next looney to complain about how his race got nerfed while [random race different to his] just got a HUGE boost be banned? It's for the sake of an internet spaceship gaming community.
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nian Banks
My shield tanking ships, the cyclone, sleipnir, claymore and maelstrom don't like the change too much.
I assure you the jaguar, the rapier, the huginn, the vargur, the vagabond and the lolstabber don't like it either.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
The Royal Engineers
Free Trade and Industries Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
I wonder why new people still make caldari...
I wonder the same 
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:29:00 -
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EMP is a waste of ammo. If you're using it at long range, Barrage will always out-damage it due to falloff increase in hit percent and hit quality. If you're using it at close range, PP and Hail do pretty much the same DPS on shields depending on the T2 resists.
Load kinetic or explosive torpedos on a Raven and laugh. It is an issue that caldari ships are restricted to kinetic bonuses, but thats a topic for another thread.
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