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Lucas Edge
Pan-Galactic Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Edge on 14/03/2008 15:36:07
I want to move my gaming computer to the opposite end of the house and on the second floor. Currently I have two computers on the first floor connected to the DSL connection via wireless router although I do not use the wireless part right now except for my laptop. The two pcs are hardwired to the router. Anyways I want to leave one pc where it is now which is a busier part of the house and move the other one upstairs to a room that I'm making my office. Of course there is nothing in that room other than a 120v duplex outlet and I'm not tearing up all the walls to run data cable.
I'm researching a few options right now as to how I should connect the pc upstairs with the router downstairs. I haven't measured exactly but would guess the straight line distance between the router and computer would be 80-100ft which is probably an overestimate.
So should I just settle with a cheap wireless PCI adapter or a wireless USB adapter? What about an access point, bridge or even an antenna? I have no experience with an access point or bridge but from what it sounds, the access point just gets installed somewhere between the router and computer.
Here are a few I'm looking at now. If you can suggest the best on from the list or even another brand/type/system I'd appreciate it.
PCI Adapter:
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<edit> Added the following PCI Adaper:
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USB Adapter:
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Access Point????:
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Bridge or Antenna? Any recommendations?
Thanks
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Nar Shear
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:43:00 -
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In all seriousness:
1) If you want to keep the PC upstairs wired, move the wired router closer. 80-100 feet of cable per segment is never good on a network no matter what. Doable, but not good.
a) you don't want to put holes in the wall/cieling/floor so what are your options for running the cable through your vents? You can buy shielding for the cable for about US .10 a foot (will not protect extreme heat/cold).
b) Place the router to equate about 50 feet of cable total if possible?
c) run a lot of cable through your house, making a hazard if your ever drunk and trying to get up/downstairs.
2) Wireless options.
a)Purchase a Combination of Wireless Router(AP) and repeater. Wire your orginial router to your wireless router (AP = access point) and get it closer upstairs. Throw your repeater on top of a shelf/cabinate if you have stairs that wrap around oppiside sides of your house to bounce the signal up.
b) Buy a wireless router that doesn't suck and gives pretty good signal strength. Don't block with metallic objects or microwaves. Cooking dinner will make you loose your connection.
Either way with wireless, make sure you encrypt it and enter a password that isn't easily guessable to logon to your router.
On a side note, shop smart, shop S-mart! (that company sloagan was too close to pass up)
Wireless solutions:
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Lucas Edge
Pan-Galactic Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:04:00 -
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I don't want to run 100ft of wire up stairs. I wanted to retain the existing downstairs setup but just move one computer upstairs and connect to the router wirelessly. So using option 2a) I should buy the device you provided a link for and then wire it to the existing wireless router with enough wire to somehow place it upstairs about mid-way to the computer?
What about a PC adapter? Is a plain PCI wireless card with antenna better or worse than a USB(2.0) adapter. What about the PCI card with remote mount antenna?
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Nar Shear
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Lucas Edge
I don't want to run 100ft of wire up stairs. I wanted to retain the existing downstairs setup but just move one computer upstairs and connect to the router wirelessly. So using option 2a) I should buy the device you provided a link for and then wire it to the existing wireless router with enough wire to somehow place it upstairs about mid-way to the computer?
What about a PC adapter? Is a plain PCI wireless card with antenna better or worse than a USB(2.0) adapter. What about the PCI card with remote mount antenna?
If your going to get the device I linked, you can have it sit on top of the existing router you have now. If you are in a three story house...your setup should look kinda like this:
|W PC |
|Repeater|
|R/WR |
Wireless PC with a PCI card (others are junk imo but don't take my word for it do a bit of research as I'm biased).
Next floor, your repeater.
Bottom Floor, a good position with your router/wireless router to bounce the signal upstairs. Closer to the staircase the better.
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Kata Dakini
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:19:00 -
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Get a DDWRT capable router.
Buffalo options are good.
Install DDWRT and run the router in client mode.
Use connection wizard to connect to your wlan.
Use cat5 or whatever to plug into the router.
From all my experience with wireless, it's by far the most stable option. Alternatively, you could set the router up in a WDS, and it then becomes glued to your wlan so that the coverage with expand and overlap with the other wireless router.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons
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Posted - 2008.03.14 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 14/03/2008 23:35:44
Originally by: Nar Shear
In all seriousness:
1) If you want to keep the PC upstairs wired, move the wired router closer. 80-100 feet of cable per segment is never good on a network no matter what. Doable, but not good.
Nothing wrong with 33ish meters of Cat5e UTP. Attenuation is not a problem at that distance, its barely even a factor. (assuming you don't go past major power fittings).
Also a gaming PC should always be wired. Wireless has the tendency to cut out or get major interference which can kill the performance of the AP.
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Tony C'dale
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2008.03.15 01:03:00 -
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Just curious if you are getting any signal where you plan to move to?
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Lucas Edge
Pan-Galactic Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tony C'dale
Just curious if you are getting any signal where you plan to move to?
I'm getting 40% signal in the room right now.
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Wired
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.03.15 16:12:00 -
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You could always consider using a homeplug network as an alternative to going wireless.
It uses the electrical cables that are set-up throughout your house to carry the network signal, you just need 2 adaptors plugged in and you're linked up in those 2 rooms.
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Ryysa
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.15 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 15/03/2008 21:02:31
Originally by: Lucas Edge
I'm getting 40% signal in the room right now.
This is very subjective.
It all strongly depends on both the sending and receiving antennas.
If you have pretty low signal, then with 802.11g you probably won't get over 5.5mbit/s. And it might not be stable.
As someone else said - interference might cause you random disconnects now an then also.
Repeaters are not a good idea. Basically if you plan on doing anything that requires persistant connections or streaming data, wireless is not the best idea.
Especially, because any kid with a laptop can roll up to your home and spam deauth for fun :P
It's not really likely to happen, but still.
Originally by: Nar Shear
80-100 feet of cable per segment is never good on a network no matter what. Doable, but not good.
Even though done before, I'd like to put this myth completely to bed.
You can run undegraded Gigabit Ethernet over Copper media upto 25 metres (82 feet)! After that it will slowly degrade.
100Base-T (100mbit) can be run upto 100 metres (over 300 feet!) with normal and 300 metres (almost 1000 feet) with special cards.
Ofcourse, you should always use normal shielded copper media. But that claim about 100 feet being a long way is complete bs.
Originally by: Wired
You could always consider using a homeplug network as an alternative to going wireless.
It uses the electrical cables that are set-up throughout your house to carry the network signal, you just need 2 adaptors plugged in and you're linked up in those 2 rooms.
Provided you can't run cables through your vents, this is probably the best idea.
Also, regarding WDS - last I checked, there was no way to use WPA in most WDS solutions.
And I can ***** WEP in 30 sec - 2 mins if there is traffic, I'm hardly the only one with this knowledge.
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Lucas Edge
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Posted - 2008.04.01 14:22:00 -
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Alright I tried the homeplug adapter and after a long time with tech support, we couldn't get them working so I returned them and ended up getting the wireless adapter.
I'm up and running now in the room far away from the wireless router (802.11g btw). I purchased a 802.11n mimo adapter with external antenna and it picks up about 72% of the signal but on average says the connectivity is only 11mbits per second. Sometimes it spikes to 24mbits per second. I only tried playing on Sunday afternoon with 41000+ players in a cramped system so of course there was lag. However, it was so bad that I had to just dock and sign off. I've been at the same place at the same time before and never remember it being so bad (btw, I was in Salia, not Jita).
Is an 11mbits per second connection terrible? The dsl connection at the modem is only a max of about 1.5-2mb per second on a perfect day (tested with http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ . I got about 1.3mbps using the same test on the computer upstairs using the wireless adapter which makes me believe maybe this test is inaccurate. So is 11mbits per second too slow for an online game or did I just sign onto eve on a really bad/busy day?
Also, is there any way to connect my laptop directly to the desktop using a network cable in order to gain access to the web with the laptop? The laptop wireless card is just too weak to pick up a signal and at best I get 1-3mbits per second). The desktop NIC card is free since IĈm using the wireless adapter and the laptop NIC is also free.
Thanks.
Ps. I obviously know IĈm not taking full advantage of the 802.11n & mimo adapter because I only have a 802.11g router but if you all agree that 11mbits per second is too slow, then I will upgrade the router to an 801.11n mimo.
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