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General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:49:00 - [1] Use exploration probes no matter what anyone else say. Anyone saying otherwise have no clue what they are talking about. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:51:00 - [2] Edited by: General Coochie on 17/03/2008 09:51:47 Originally by: Myshella Drake Edited by: Myshella Drake on 17/03/2008 08:27:09 Originally by: General Coochie Use exploration probes no matter what anyone else say. Anyone saying otherwise have no clue what they are talking about. I use spook recon probes and they pay the bills just fine, exploration probes are better but require alot of extra BMs, placing time and scanning time. Yes recon probes wont probe inside the deadspace very well but most of the time you can scan down ships sitting at the entrance or haulers looting de-spawned missions...and yes i do have a very good clue what im talking about. The time invested getting a better place for your probe and the time is takes scanning with an explo probe is worth it. With a snoop you risk sitting probing for 20min. Chance is so low getting a hit, when you get it its more luck then anything else. Not getting a hit with an explo probe is more unlucky. Sitting at the entrance wont give you a better hit then if they are inside the mission. The entrance is part of the deadspace. You can however get good hits should the target just warp out or in. Of course if you can't use explo probes due to range you have to use 2nd best, snoops, fathoms. Ive never actually seen a hauler looting wrecks in low sec, however do they even yield any isk worth probing/attacking? The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:17:00 - [3] Edited by: General Coochie on 17/03/2008 11:19:08 Originally by: Bad Brown Full Sisters virtue set + 5% Prospector scan time and 5% Prospector probe strength hardwirings, Scan probes are for people that just donÆt have the skills and kit. Recons are for the professionals. Mission busting is not just a job; itÆs a way of life. You still have about 11 times lesser chance finding something on each scan then someone who is using quests. Whats your scan time there 20sec? So you do about 7 scans same time someone do 1 explo probe scan. Think its easy to see whats more beneficial in the long run. Lets do some maths anyway. Lets say explo probes has 50% chance finding someone. 1 scans, -> ~2min (130sec my skills) -> 50% finding target. 3 scans, -> ~6.5min -> 87.5% Considering 50% chance on explo, snoops have about 4.2% chance finding the target. 16 scans -> ~5min -> ~50% chance finding target. 48 scans -> 16min -> ~87.5% For some reason ppl think clicking scan more often increase their chances. You can boast about ure skills and kit, fact is someone with crap kit and skill will out probe you with explo probes. Have patience when probing waiting for that 2min probe is worth it if you are under 4 AUs. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Bad Brown and with drones out on the target u got 5x more chance of hitting a drone :) mission runners with drones out rule. thing is with the quest u usaly are not in range. i use the spooks 20au covering a hole system in 1 probe. and the spook probe lives longer. Yeah but same goes for explo probes if they got drones out, then a explo probe almost guarantee a hit. I totally agree that recons have their use, and I carry both in my cargo hold. If you haven't been in the system much and dont have many BMs you need recon probes. Personally I would advice getting as many BMS in the busy systems as you can (its not like all systems in eve are mission runner paradise, there are systems commonly visited by mission runners), as it will increase the number of ppl you manage to probe out by a lot. However if you can easily get under 4AUs explo probes are better. I can admit to not use recon probes often because every time I do it takes forever to locate someone. I remember one time probing for a BC (no drones) with a corp mate, he was about 4.5 Aus away. And we spent 30min probing never getting a hit. Unlucky for sure. Sure being lucky you can get hits more often, as I said getting a hit sooner with recons are more about luck, getting it later with explo is unlucky. If you say that the chance to get a hit with recons is 10% keep in mind explo probes would still have about 10 times higher chance getting the hit. A fathoms chance is about 25 times lower. And Im actually surprised to see someone say that they manage to probe mission runners with the 20 au probes, that would have a 50 times lower chance finding the target then a quest. And 4 times less chance then a snoop. I find it troublesome enough to probe someone with fathoms. Yes if they have drones it easier. I find that there is actually quite many mission runners that don't use drones though. So you can't rely on it. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.18 02:19:00 - [5] Edited by: General Coochie on 18/03/2008 02:19:03 Originally by: Emilie Storm Thanks for all the replies. There is definitely merit in using both kinds of probes. I am definitely going to have to try both kinds in depth to find my sweet spot. So far I have about 50 bms in a system but it is still hard for me to get some mission runners. once I do a few myself for a few unique spots and try those spook probes for the chance at picking up some far range targets I can hopefully get this down to a science. yeah thats exactly what you wanna do. After sometime you will get more and more BMs. More you got, higher chance you get finding someone. Getting missions in the area helps for starters. And every mission you probe (with recons or explos) potentially also gives better and better places. Just keep at it and soon enough you find most mish runners in the systems you are in. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Lol @ all the back and forth in this thread. Some hard and fast rules about killing mission runners: 1. BMs are critical. The more BMs you can get off plain and away from celestials, the better. Do anything you can to secure BMs of this sort, including running L1/L2 missions in a target system. 2. Quest (and other exploration) probes are always preferable to recon probes. Always. If it is at all possible to get within range to use them, do so. Otherwise you're stuck using recon probes. 3. Recon probes do have their uses, but Quest probes should be your primary tool. Always carry a good supply of both types of probes, and one type of launcher fit and the other in your hold. 4. Every little bonus helps. I've missed plenty of targets because I was five seconds late getting into the mission. Make a dedicated prober and train every single related skill to five. Implants are critical. Again, every bonus, no matter how small, makes a difference. My probe launcher has a probe scan time of 82 seconds. That's the max in game until they come out with something more. If I can get within range to use Quest probes, I usually have a pretty good chance of a hit on the first try, luck permitting. When using recon probes (snoops) that last 5 minutes each, I generally go through 4-5 of them with zero results at the same range or less, and even if I do get a result, it's usually too late and the target leaves the system. There are all kinds of techniques for getting really close to a mission to drop a probe, none of which I'm inclined to share with the forums. But two things always matter: range and probe strength. Get creative getting close, and don't bother using recon probes unless there is absolutely no other choice. Deserves to be repeated and quoted. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:50:00 - [7] Edited by: General Coochie on 18/03/2008 18:50:57 Originally by: Lurana Jade Morons still mission in Low? Then they deserve what they get, kill moar plse. Thing is any moron could figure out how to avoid being ganked in a mission in low sec. So not seing more ppl missioning in low sec tells us something about most bears missioning in high sec doesn't it? If I would ever start doing missions (very unlikely) I would do them in low sec, and I would never get ganked I can tell you that. If you know how to avoid a mission prober, there is absolutely no way he can get you. Its actually way to easy. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.18 21:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Windorian I assure you, using snoops to scan mission runners is nearly impossible. You want to use exploration probes with the corresponding signature type. Get as close as you can, drop the probe, and scan for ships. To be more efficient, use the directional scanner first to see what else is around your target. If they are in a system with no stations, but you see mission specific structures, scan for those as well. If you see they are using drones, scan for those also. Wrecks abound? scan for those. All you need is for the probe to find one of them and you can get to the deadspace entrance. NOTE: you cannot warp directly to a target in a deadspace mission, only to the mission entrance. just to add, not all missions are deadspace, some ppl are at explo sites. u can warp freely in those cases. Probes doesn't find wrecks. Don't know if thats what you meant, just wanna make it clear. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.18 23:30:00 - [9] Edited by: General Coochie on 18/03/2008 23:32:41 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker It should probably be mentioned that the tactics are different whether you're looking for a specific mission runner, or just doing a "shotgun approach" in a major mission hub and will be happy with any/all the missions you can find. Could one of the experienced probers comment on the difference in tactics between these two scenarios? I don't think it should be such a huge difference. Since you do want the most "valuable" mission in high sec right? Look for the ravens that are close by, make sure its a mission with directional scanner. Drop a explo probe and wait for result. If your happy with any mission I still drop a explo probe as it will get more hits provided ppl doing missions are in range of you. You can only bust one mission at the time anyway so you can just as well focus on the ones where the type of mish runner you want is in? be it battleships or whatever. Look up ship name, use ship scanner to find the ship. Probe it? To know if you got the right result, click warp to, scan in direction of ship alignment and you see what ship you managed to probe. Looking a F10 map also works. Or do the other way around if there are many many ppl about. Drop probe, check results for something juicy by comparing directional scanner with probe results. Doctor and Bellum I agree with everything you said so far in this thread. personally I can't put the time in to effectively shut down a system. But it doesn't bother me, it merely means every time I logg on good chances of mission runners about for probing, so I can approach it more casually. Probe when I feel like it, roam when I feel like that. Suits my play style very nicely. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.20 00:00:00 - [10] Edited by: General Coochie on 20/03/2008 00:01:08 Originally by: Bad Brown Originally by: Windorian I assure you, using snoops to scan mission runners is nearly impossible. 60+ battleship/battlecruisers dead, 20+ ransomed, 1 domi pilot left ship (free t2 fit domi for us) and 1 mining barge pilot left ship (free mining barge for us) in the last 3-4 weeks. All this says you are wrong about snoops. Yes, scan probes work great, but recons rock when you donÆt have a shed load of bookmarks and it is normal to catch a ship within 3 scans (= 64.4) seconds with a snoop, if you have maxed skills and implants. But please keep it up, It would be great if mission runners ignored snoops. The question is how many you'd get using exploration probes for the mish runners under 4 AUs. Thats whats interesting. Pretty hard to know yes. I think you are alone getting hits normally on 3 scans with a recon snoop probe (maybe on BS with drones out) but what about BCs, HACs?. And I don't just talk from my own experience but from corp mates, and other ppls as well. Maybe you are just a lucky bastard? The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
General Coochie	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Gem Gafaar What I would like to ask is how people actually take on the Mission runners. Do you probe in a cheap ship until you find a runner, then swap your ship at a local station with something a little sexier with bigger guns? :ugh:] Probe in covops, switch ships to arazu or lachesis. True sansha warp disruptor for a nice 67.2 km scram range. And they cant fight back Alt in harbinger (soon to be apoc or geddon) for the dps. Handles most things at the moment, have some difficulties against really good passive tanks but should be alright once alt gets in BS. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)

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