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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:53:00 -
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66$ Million is peanuts in the entertainmnet business you have video games now who's budgets rival movies. MW3 although I cant seem to find the source now was about 50$ million in prodcution o-O, and 150m more in advertising.
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Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
42
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:54:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:4 of 6 BoD seats are already in the hand of investors and a VC, that ratio would probably not change substantially post-IPO.
The VC's will likely exit.
VC's are very rarely in the game for the long term. The private equity groups I have worked with in the past have all had 5 year return horizons (get in, grow, get out).
The reality is, once you bring in VC / Private Equity, you have fairly limited options for their exit.
- Shop for a new VC / PEquity partner
- Leveraged buyout by management
- IPO
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tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
25
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:58:00 -
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Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
335
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:23:00 -
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I wouldn't be too worried about it anyway - I'd like CCP to show me growth. Where is the growth? Yeah ok there's a dedicated subscriber base. OK, people who are subbed more than 6 months stay subbed forever. Gotcha. Now where is the growth? Ah, no growth? So how exactly am I going to make money on that stock? And how many million subscri - what do you mean thousands? Oh yeah ok thank you no thanks. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
439
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:40:00 -
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Growth is hard, I wouldn't know when to expect it. But CCP is hoping for growth. Hilmar and new CFO I think did an interview for ten ton hammer, and said they hoped to tap into the playstation network with DUST. Then from that lots of new pilots would join EVE. That was the growth they were going for. disorientating |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:04:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Doc Severide wrote:W1rlW1nd wrote:Gantz Tleilax wrote:The Gonif wrote:
This might seem like an illustration that traditional CCP has already been experimenting with free-to-play in EVE, by allowing rich subscribers to essentially pay for others to play, in exchange for virtual currency GÇö something that has been used by 40,000 people, the company says.
Can someone explain what this means? Rich subscribers paying others to play? "Rich" player pays real money for own subscription, and plex. "Rich" player puts Plex on game market. "Other" player buys Plex in game with fake money, and uses the Plex to extend subscription. Thus, "Rich" player has paid real money for someone else to play, in exchange for fake money to throw around in-game. Yep for all the people I helped to play for free, you are very welcome. Bought $4K in GTC's over the last 3 years.... I get Grind Free ISK, others who can't otherwise afford to play, get to play. Everyone wins...Oh and for those who say "You could have spent that on other things", well I certainly did that too... I don't really understand how 3rd party GTC transactions work, I know there are sites that sell them, but how do they aquire them and whats in it for them? I buy my GTC's only from the CCP website. I know some others sell them though, can't imagine what's in it for them.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
858
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:17:00 -
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Darrow Hill wrote:Ursula LeGuinn wrote:As for the why of it, an IPO would probably mean more capital for CCP to work with. At the same time, it means less control over who owns shares in the company, and a greater number of shareholders wanting to see their investments grow. Lets make this as blunt as possible. 66 million in revenue is peanuts. It really is. EvE, in itself, is profitable and self sustaining. However EvE is not CCP's only project. If you ever took a look at CCP's basic financials from 2010, it's plainly obvious that the only way CCP can continue to develop Dust 514 and WoD is by using external financing. They need cash.
Yeah, its about right. The thing that worries me most is the possibility (likelihood?) of Dust 514 failing and the capitalized costs of WOD with all its devs layed off/repurposed. I really wish we'd heard about this in a dev blog first... they could spin it way better.
For now, I have fun in Eve. If it goes IPO and the investors kill my game... well I'll find a new one. Or maybe make one, who knows?
-Liang
Ed: I'm a programmer, not a market analyst/financial expert. I'm sure Eve and CCP are fine financially. Well, mostly sure. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Austin Kincaid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:28:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:
I buy my GTC's only from the CCP website. I know some others sell them though, can't imagine what's in it for them.
If you buy a GTC through another site such as Battleclinic, they get a referral fee so it helps them with their web hosting costs |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
969
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:33:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Yeah, its about right. The thing that worries me most is the possibility (likelihood?) of Dust 514 failing and the capitalized costs of WOD with all its devs layed off/repurposed. I really wish we'd heard about this in a dev blog first... they could spin it way better.
For now, I have fun in Eve. If it goes IPO and the investors kill my game... well I'll find a new one. Or maybe make one, who knows?
The thing that disturbs me the most is that the people with the money to buy the shares (Bobby Kotik) aren't the people I want being responsible for the direction of this game. If the IPO was managed such that players were offered a first bite at the IPO cherry, it might be more reasonable. But then some players would want the shares to make profits, and sell them to the highest bidder (Kotik and co).
Most people I know who have share portfolios don't know jack about the industries they're investing in.
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
50
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:36:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:
I don't think EA could do any worse than completely ignoring EVE development for at least 18 months, I wish we had EA service for those 18 months..
Oh, how wrong you are  EA would do more harm in 18 days than the 18 month development freeze caused. I hope Eve doesn't go public in any form. I want Eve and CCP to be stable for decades, and if they're exposed to outside market influences this vision could be disturbed. CCP has proven they've been able to handily avoid outside events even as Iceland was practically collapsing around them during the financial crisis. Well credit tightening probably led to the recent layoffs, but that didn't really affect the core employees or IP (eve),
Agreed totally. If EA took control of CCP, you could bet that micro transactions would be in faster than you could say 'please use lube'.
RIP DAOC, courtesy of EA
/edit Actually, EA would close down the Iceland arm and move all of Eve's development to what's left of Bioware, their arm that now runs all the MMOs they've bought out. |

HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:20:00 -
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Looking forward to 'Shares for PLEX' |

Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:41:00 -
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Contemplating IPO?
CCP, I think you've already reached your quota for "stupid executive decisions" for this financial year... be serious. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
649
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:56:00 -
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A guy i know makes that kinda money annually and all he does is supply water trucks to various mines so they can water the roads to keep the dust down.
Not as fun as EVE. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Finde learth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:59:00 -
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IF ccp IPO, i think i won't subs any more. |

Finde learth
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.02.23 01:40:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I want to know more about the Asian expansion...
Also <3 CCP keep up the awesome work! So proud to have been with you since the early days \o/
/c
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/lIOwGGvl6e8/?resourceId=0_06_02_99?fr=1 |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
304
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Posted - 2012.02.23 01:51:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Nova Fox wrote:CCP please maintain majory stock...
Companies like EA would destroy this company and game if given the chance. Lol, I don't think you understand how finances work. If CCP kept all the CCP stock then they would raise no cash. I don't think EA could do any worse than completely ignoring EVE development for at least 18 months, I wish we had EA service for those 18 months.
I have extensive experience with EA.
Everything they do is atrocious, nasty and "pry that last dollar from their dead hands" oriented.
Their support is an huge farce, their software maintenance a joke, their facilities a puke.
I WILL unsub the microsecond EA even thinks to put their filthy hands on CCP.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1262
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Posted - 2012.02.23 01:55:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:That's a lot of Hookers, Blow and Lutefisk.
But, going public brings with it great responsibility and CCP in my opinion is not ready yet to answer to real shareholders.
Shareholders will kill CCP.
Once you let that gaggle in, and their marketers, lawyers, and other assorted yuppies start having a say, it's over.
Some people might like the idea of seeing the people running CCP getting fired perhaps. But there are WORSE. And I can imagine that same pool of "talent" to run CCP being drawn from the same video game greats who took other MMOs and destroyed them outright by making them suitable for American MMO players .The marketers will act like only Americans play MMOs and being money-grubbing rent-seeking Pieces of Sh!t, they will target a specific audience. Get a few of those empty heads in there thinking "well, (snark snark snivel), single moms play MMOs and they should all be playable semi-AFK because their kids might distract them. A successful MMO is " (here is what makes me want to go postal around marketers when they say this) "that's where the money is".
Yes, I hate marketers.Shareholders put trust in them. If CCP goes public, I won't be buying any stock but will instead being expecting this to finally become "WOW in Spaaaace".
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Endeavour Starfleet
651
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Posted - 2012.02.23 02:10:00 -
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Guys CCP is not going with an IPO. That is crazy.
If they need money that badly they will spin off the Atlanta office as a new company and IPO that for WoD. But I highly doubt they are in THAT need of money to lose control of their IP.
They know DAMN well that people wont invest time into EVE when the likes of the Investors for say EA can yank atleast some control of the IP. It also puts CCP which has traditionally been a stable buisness into the hands of the stock market.
You want CCP to have to fire employees because the stock is down due to oil price panic selling? New content based on good stock numbers and oil prices? |

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
764
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:21:00 -
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IPO? ummmmm.
No, other game companies woudl go out and buy it all then destroy ccp and auction it off just to kill any competition.
CCP NEVER EVER go public. keep it privately owned.
personally, if you needed extra funds and could explain what you wanted to do in detail. I would go for a 2 dollar subscription increase. |

Ai Shun
303
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:37:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:It's been shown in the past that some VERY rich people play EVE. And were shoveling money into GTC sales that shifted balance of power so much that for a time it looked like one alliance might have been able to "win" EVE.
Wouldn't it be beautiful if The Mittani and the Goons managed to purchase most of the stock? I could only imagine what would happen on the forums then. Oh go on guys, you know you want to cause an avalanche of shiptoasting! Go on!
Glad to see that CCP isn't dying and that EVE is still very much alive though. <3 CCP
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Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
63
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Posted - 2012.02.23 12:37:00 -
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This might potentially be catastrophic for EVE, but in what would it be different from now? |

Vihura
Vihura Cor
6
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:14:00 -
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IPO = end of EVE (For me anyway and I will be free!!!! EVE is only game I play) |

Lord Wiggin
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:50:00 -
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The Gonif wrote:http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/21/eve-online-saw-66m-in-revenue-last-year-mulls-ipo/
CCP Games, the makers of the massively multiplayer online role-playing game EVE Online , say the company brought in $66 million in revenue last year.
The game, a science fictional adventure set in a star cluster dominated by five major civilizations, first launched in 2003, and its subscriber base (currently about 400,000) has grown every year since launch. Revenue has been growing too, at a compound annual growth rate of 53 percent, bringing in total revenue of $300 million over the gameGÇÖs lifetime. As for profits, CCP would only say that it has GÇ£very healthy marginsGÇ¥ GÇö a claim backed up by the fact that it has grown to more than 450 employees despite only raising $3 million in seed funding.
This might seem like an illustration that traditional online gaming, overshadowed in the media by casual social games like those from Zynga, can still work as a business model. At the same time, CCPGÇÖs new CMO David Reid says the company has been excited to embrace new models, in addition to the traditional subscriptions offered by EVE.
CCP has already been experimenting with free-to-play in EVE, by allowing rich subscribers to essentially pay for others to play, in exchange for virtual currency GÇö something that has been used by 40,000 people, the company says. Its next game, DUST 451, is scheduled for release this summer, and will go further in this direction, charging players for in-game credits rather than subscriptions or playing time (though there is an initial GÇ£cover chargeGÇ¥).
ThatGÇÖs not the only ambitious thing about DUST. With its first-person shooter gameplay, this is CCPGÇÖs attempt to reach the audience that made franchises like Call of Duty a hit, while also connecting to the EVE universe. Through mechanisms like orbital bombardment, the space-based players in EVE can actually affect the planet-based combat in DUST, and vice versa.
As a result of its plans for DUST, as well as Asian expansion for EVE, CCP says 2012 will be its bigger year yet. In fact, the Icelandic companyGÇÖs CEO Hilmar Veigar Petursson says an IPO is a possibility, though predictably, he wouldnGÇÖt commit to anything.
GÇ£We want to be ready for an IPO from a policy standpoint,GÇ¥ Petursson says. GÇ£WeGÇÖre quite a substantial company, so weGÇÖre thinking, GÇÿOkay, what is the next step?GÇÖGÇ¥
So what is your point OP? That CCP can "Claim" whatever they want, but unless they open the books it's all rumor and supposition. Did you bother to read that article? It ignores the huge recent mis-step and really does not tell you crap about the health of the game or the company. They laid off 20% of their employees, that makes it pretty easy to "Increase Revenue"
It's laughable that you take a press release and believe every word written. Where are the Facts?
"$66 million in revenue" Gross income really does not reflect the health of a company. "currently about 400,000" A guess is not a fact. "very healthy margins" Not really a fact.... " grown to more than 450 employees " Left out the fact they laid off 20% last year.
"At the same time, CCPGÇÖs new CMO David Reid says the company has been excited to embrace new models, in addition to the traditional subscriptions offered by EVE." Sounds like Nex ftw to me, isn't that one of the issues that drove so many people away?
Are you Republican? 
Not saying that they are either doing well or badly, but to buy into a PR as if you had just been handed the books is, well naive..... |

SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
16
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:53:00 -
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If EVE goes public, we will get a item shop and dance emotes for our characters.
NO thanks, will hit the unsub buttom right fast. |
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