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Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2008.03.17 10:34:00 -
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not covert ships or ships designed for using cloak should consume cap when they are cloaked and cloak is activated
perma-cloaked bs or capital ship is madness ... bigger ship - more cap consumed as there is need to cloak some big object
in every other game cloak uses cap, whz not here?
what are your suggestions ppl?
(and sorry for my english)
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Discombulator
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.17 10:54:00 -
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What about sustaining cloak will need more cap in time ... on start it'll be veery cheap, but through time it'll be unsustainable. After decloaking, cap usage will drop over time, same as it rises.
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Sennju Zensu
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.17 10:59:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=728007&page=1
eheh like some poeple think about changing the "i win" claoking device
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.03.17 11:49:00 -
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When cloaked you cannot lock and therefore not harm anyone. It has been established that "I dont like being watched" is not a valid reason to change cloaking in any way.
Cloaking is not broken at all. It does not need fixing, nor does it need boost/nerf applied.
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Liucinda
Expiation n Damnation
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Posted - 2008.03.17 11:58:00 -
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Cloaking device is THE MAIN TOOL for isk-$ farmers
Cloaking device is used now on all kind of ship not designed for that use, and these guys just use it to make other poeple bored in local.
EvE really don't need these kind of crap mentality
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per
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: per on 17/03/2008 12:11:07
 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
When cloaked you cannot lock and therefore not harm anyone. It has been established that "I dont like being watched" is not a valid reason to change cloaking in any way.
Cloaking is not broken at all. It does not need fixing, nor does it need boost/nerf applied.
well every other active module uses cap or fuel, why is cloak exception? it¦s nice that you cannot harm noone, but the same applies for you :o) i dont mind cloaked ppl, but cloaking 23/7 in mothership for example is crazy
small ships could be still perma cloaked with good skills and fit with good cap regen
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liucinda
Cloaking device is THE MAIN TOOL for isk-$ farmers
Cloaking device is used now on all kind of ship not designed for that use, and these guys just use it to make other poeple bored in local.
EvE really don't need these kind of crap mentality
And you think changing cloaking will make ISK farmers go away?
They wont. They were here before cloaking, and they will be here until the day we players (as a whole) stop breaking the EULA and stop buying their ISK...
Please please please STOP letting cheaters (cause that's what they are) be a factor in deciding how to balance the game.
I am NOT a cheater. I do not sell isk or break the EULA (to my knowledge). I enjoy cloaking up, and I enjoy cloaking just about any ship you can imagine. I would be terribly cross if CCP decided to change locaking so one could not stay hidden indefinately.
It would not stop me from playing, no no, but it would mean simply docking up and using a disposable alt to scout with instead.
I was in game LOOOOOOOONG before most of you, and I remember the days without cloaking. Armies of alt shuttles everywhere and dozens of threads (like this one) calling for an "end to alts"...
You are letting you personal mostives influence your judgement on what's best for the game. Cloaking serves a purpose for many legit players. I dont think they should be forced to change their gameplay simply because their advisaries are annoyed at one, small, group of cheaters...
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 17/03/2008 12:14:44
Originally by: per
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
When cloaked you cannot lock and therefore not harm anyone. It has been established that "I dont like being watched" is not a valid reason to change cloaking in any way.
Cloaking is not broken at all. It does not need fixing, nor does it need boost/nerf applied.
well every other active module uses cap or fuel, why is cloak exception? it¦s nice that you cannot harm noone, but the same applies for you :o) i dont mind cloaked ppl, but cloaking 23/7 in mothership for example is crazy
Cloaking used to use Cap (though never on tranquility or in any test build I tried, but it was there in the design papers if I recal). They removed that after discovering that people would simply create cap-neutral setups that could run them forever anyway.
Sure they could increase the consumption to make that impossible, but then cloaking devices would be entirely useless to begin with.
Why is it "crazy" to cloak your mothership? Maybe it's crazy to you, but to the person choosing to put billions of isk into having a fancy ship might not want to have some sort of influence on WHEN he decides to risk it.
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per
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:14:00 -
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please don¦t solve the isk seller and cheaters here guys, i want to talk about cloaking here and it¦s "logic"
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Dr Vyzkumnice
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Vyzkumnice on 17/03/2008 12:17:10
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Cloaking used to use Cap, but they removed that after discovering that people would simply create cap-neutral setups that could run them forever anyway.
Sure they could increase the consumption to make that impossible, but then cloaking devices would be entirely useless to begin with.
Why is it "crazy" to cloak your mothership? Maybe it's crazy to you, but to the person choosing to put billions of isk into having a fancy ship might not want to have some sort of influence on WHEN he decides to risk it.
i¦m not saying cloaking motherships are crazy i¦m only saying, that crazy is they can be cloaked 23/7
well let ppl use cap neutral setups, but that¦s not ships good to fight, that¦s the point imho
(damn alt)
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Sennju Zensu
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:17:00 -
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you are out of topic we dont talk about EULA here
Sure isk farmers will still here but it will be harder for them with a cloak who can't keep their BS invulnerable for hours and hours.
And same for poeple who just let a ship cloaked AFK when they go to work, just to make poeple feeling not safe with an hostile in local.
And for a RP context: a Cloaking Device who can cover an entire ship should use energy.... that's not normal to be energy free.
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:17:00 -
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Well apearently some people think that cheaters and isk sellers are a good reason to change cloaking, and they arent. There are NO good reasons to change cloaking at all. It is a dead debate, long since terminated, ended.
This whole topic is completely NECRO. There are dozens if not hundreds of threads like this one, and they are all crap.
again. cloaking is fine, it does not need fixin'
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per
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:19:00 -
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STOP SOLVING ISK SELLERS AND CHEATERS HERE, OK?!!!
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:22:00 -
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Reference: Here's a list of commonly proposed ideas. It is stickied in the top of this forum by the way.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=475749
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per
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:26:00 -
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in my opinion > running cloak on bs 23/7 is like running capital shield booster on carrier 23/7
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K3nsh1ro
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:29:00 -
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Cloak should be removed from the game except for covert ops and force recons
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