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Beness
Deep Space Ventures
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.03.17 20:47:00 -
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I took a read through the Terms of Service and the End User License Agreement and also the Suspension and Ban Policy. The closest items to explicitly banning the use of macros that I can find are:
Section 14 of the TOS:
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You may not create, provide or use any server emulator or other site where EVE Online may be played. You may not post or distribute emulators, software tools or utilities related to EVE Online without the express written permission of CCP.
Specifically, you cannot distribute software tools related to Eve without permission.
Section 17 of the TOS:
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You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
Specifically, you will not use any third party tools for the game. Although Evemon, EFT and their ilk seem to be OK, so enforcement isn't strong and language may need updating.
Section 1-F of the Suspension And Ban Policy
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A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended.
The first part is strong - this applies to people who distribute macro tools. The second part is weak, as the seemingly applicable language is vague - what does "considered unfriendly" mean?
The language "gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features" does not seem applicable to mining or PvE macros, since the game features are being used as intended (mining lasers mining roids).
Section 1-B(2) of the Suspension And Ban Policy
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Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerÆs inventory.
From the pairing of the words "macro" and "illegally", this text implies that there is a method of macroing legally - and section 1-F indicates only that "unfriendly" macros, and macros that "misuse game features", and those that "disrupt game mechanics" are illegal.
Personally, I would like to see this tightened up to call out explicit functions performed by macros as bannable offenses. I was hoping to see text along these lines:
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The use of 3rd party software to automate mouse clicks, mouse movement, and/or keystrokes sent to the Eve client is not permitted and will result in <various punishment>.
Is it spelled out this clearly anywhere? Does macroing apply to only mining, or mining and ratting and any other activity?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:11:00 -
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Very simple, it applies to anything CCP has not given permission for, including all forms of macroing not expressly permitted.
The only form permitted that i know of is the use of keyboards with programmable macros. Like that G15 or something thing that allows you to bind f1-f8 to a single button.
In practice, CCP really don't care as long as it does not allow you to perform better then anyone else can without the macro. As in, no faster, longer, or afk mining by using macros for example.
In short: ask a gm wether it's ok.
They really don't need to tighten up the EULA, as it clearly states CCP reserve the right to ban your ass for anything they feel like anyway.
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Ralara
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:25:00 -
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Macros are legal, in some cases.
Look at the Logitech G15 keyboard - that allows you to create "macros" for things like F1-F8 (or whatever) and that's perfectly allowed.
"Macro" itself is a vague term.
Meh, T&C aside, the most important bit, which I'm sure is in there, but I can't be bothered to find it, will be along the lines of "we can do what we want, and ... so there. nyr nyr nyrnyr nyr."
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Strak Yogorn
Mind Warpers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:28:00 -
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Dont forget all "macro" sweatshops use account sharing as well, which is also a violation - why ccp choose to ignore that as well, one can only imagine.
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Ralara
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Strak Yogorn
Dont forget all "macro" sweatshops use account sharing as well, which is also a violation - why ccp choose to ignore that as well, one can only imagine.
One can quite easily give an explanation, too.
Let's say me and a friend share a house, we both have wireless net access off the same router (connected to a single broadband thingy). Now, is it 1 person playing 2 accounts, or 2 sharing both or what? Who knows?
How many students play this game? Families?
You cant ban over an IP address conflict.
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CCP Casqade
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.17 21:35:00 -
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Section 7 from the End User License Agreement
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3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
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Djinn Phluxx
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 22:16:00 -
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Well. That pretty much sums it up.
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Strak Yogorn
Mind Warpers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.03.17 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: Strak Yogorn
Dont forget all "macro" sweatshops use account sharing as well, which is also a violation - why ccp choose to ignore that as well, one can only imagine.
One can quite easily give an explanation, too.
Let's say me and a friend share a house, we both have wireless net access off the same router (connected to a single broadband thingy). Now, is it 1 person playing 2 accounts, or 2 sharing both or what? Who knows?
How many students play this game? Families?
You cant ban over an IP address conflict.
actually you just log their time online.. since its not human possible to use the SAME account 23/7/365 it can only mean account sharing, and it ought to be quite easy to do.
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Miki Fin
Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2008.03.17 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
Section 7 from the End User License Agreement
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3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
So does that mean you can or can't use the G15 keyboard?
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Cutie Chaser
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
Section 7 from the End User License Agreement
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3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
So macro's which facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at a EQUAL rate when compared with ordinary Game play are ok? :P
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Jasmine Kuriyama
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.03.18 00:16:00 -
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In regards to the keyboards:
CCP reply to thread "Logitech G15 Keyboard and the EULA"
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Szap Light
Minds Of Space
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.18 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Szap Light on 18/03/2008 00:46:43
So would a a g15 key for f1-f8 (= alphastrike) be ok? It doesnt really make the activation of weapons faster (due to the normal delay on the server) but is just one key instead of all 8.
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NightF0x
Chicken Coup Raiders
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Posted - 2008.03.18 01:14:00 -
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G15 keyboard is ok to use since you still have to be active at your keyboard to use it. Use eve-search.com for more info.
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Dragos Mrs
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.18 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Strak Yogorn
actually you just log their time online.. since its not human possible to use the SAME account 23/7/365 it can only mean account sharing, and it ought to be quite easy to do.
sometimes i log in when the servers go up and go afk.. sometimes i forget i am logged in and stay on for the entire night ... without having a GM that specifically checks where you are and what you are doing, i'd be banned for macroing when i'm afk flying cloaked off into oblivion :D
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Verx Interis
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.18 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dragos Mrs
Originally by: Strak Yogorn
actually you just log their time online.. since its not human possible to use the SAME account 23/7/365 it can only mean account sharing, and it ought to be quite easy to do.
sometimes i log in when the servers go up and go afk.. sometimes i forget i am logged in and stay on for the entire night ... without having a GM that specifically checks where you are and what you are doing, i'd be banned for macroing when i'm afk flying cloaked off into oblivion :D
You aren't interacting, or haven't sent anything to the server. You've been doing one thing the whole time.
Now, someone who is mining, which requires interaction constantly, 23/7/365, is obviously macroing or sharing.
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Beness
Deep Space Ventures
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.03.18 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
Section 7 from the End User License Agreement
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3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Excellent, that covers it quite nicely. My "reading legal text" and "concentration" skills aren't up to lvl5 yet, which explains why I missed it the first read through :P
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Arkedon
Pegasus Knights
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Posted - 2008.03.18 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Beness
Section 17 of the TOS:
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You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
Specifically, you will not use any third party tools for the game. Although Evemon, EFT and their ilk seem to be OK, so enforcement isn't strong and language may need updating.
With regards to EveMon/EFT/etc, I believe they are given permission by CCP to access ONLY the API level of the database, and at a read-only state.
So I guess the API layer is sheltered enough from the main gameplay database that no one can actually influence gameplay dynamics by reading the API.
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