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Oleksiy1 Freetraders Unity	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:24:00 - [1] Funny to say, but the situation is not funny at all. I and my colleges have agreed with Mr McCargo, Kraanajuht to build some t2 ships together. The part of me and my colleges was to buy materials for components construction. Forget to say that we have agreed about everything via eve-mail. We have set roles, agreed proportions in the future venture and so on. So, as a responsible business partner I have bought everything ahead of schedule and delivered to a station where I made a 0-contract to Kraanajuht and delivered all goods. Just in this moment I got a chat message from Mr McCargo saying that I got scammed. But then he said that it was a joke and bla, bla, bla Later today I asked about isks that they had to pay for the components. He asked kindly to wait a bit and then I suddenly found my self on the Mr McCargoÆs block list. Needless to say that he doesnÆt wanna chat or whatsoever. The situation is funny. I was quite nanve, but isnÆt Eve a game where people cooperate? IsnÆt it a game where players may trust each other without being deceived? I suppose that players like Mr McCargo and Kraanajuht ruin the idea of Eve. So remember those names Mr McCargo (the Paradox Continium), Kraanajuht (Prime-tech). It is for your own good.
Jonathan Calvert Empire Mining and Trade	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Oleksiy1 Funny to say, but the situation is not funny at all. I and my colleges have agreed with Mr McCargo, Kraanajuht to build some t2 ships together. The part of me and my colleges was to buy materials for components construction. Forget to say that we have agreed about everything via eve-mail. We have set roles, agreed proportions in the future venture and so on. So, as a responsible business partner I have bought everything ahead of schedule and delivered to a station where I made a 0-contract to Kraanajuht and delivered all goods. Just in this moment I got a chat message from Mr McCargo saying that I got scammed. But then he said that it was a joke and bla, bla, bla Later today I asked about isks that they had to pay for the components. He asked kindly to wait a bit and then I suddenly found my self on the Mr McCargoÆs block list. Needless to say that he doesnÆt wanna chat or whatsoever. The situation is funny. I was quite nanve, but isnÆt Eve a game where people cooperate? IsnÆt it a game where players may trust each other without being deceived? I suppose that players like Mr McCargo and Kraanajuht ruin the idea of Eve. So remember those names Mr McCargo (the Paradox Continium), Kraanajuht (Prime-tech). It is for your own good. The great thing about eve is that you can now go pod him repeatedly till he apologizes.
Oleksiy1 Freetraders Unity	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:33:00 - [3] probably i should. But i suppose that there have to be some tools for adequate reactions for such unlawful actions. I would propose to make a sticky thread where players could add scammers and cheaters. If i pod him even million times it doesn't mean that he will not do the same tomorrow to someone else.
Cogwheel	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Oleksiy1 probably i should. But i suppose that there have to be some tools for adequate reactions for such unlawful actions. I would propose to make a sticky thread where players could add scammers and cheaters. If i pod him even million times it doesn't mean that he will not do the same tomorrow to someone else. Someone needs to read some stickies... Eve is PvP to its very core. You were just a victim of market PvP.
Oleksiy1	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Cogwheel You were just a victim of market PvP. I know I have written the post just to warn other players.
Shar Tegral The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:54:00 - [6] Unlike many here I do not believe that snippy posts aimed at rubbing salt in your wound to be the appropriate response. Sadly, that particular C&P habit infests some of the lesser minds around here. I will say that I hope that you weren't ripped off for very much and that you'll take the opportunity to learn from the experience. One of my rules is: Never ever do 0 isk contracts with people you don't really know, period. Even if you had made the contract for a fraction, the less you know them the larger the fraction, you would have minimized your loss. As to you coming out here and stating it - in truth your post would've been better at C&P though the roasting (flaming) you'd have gotten would've been much worse. It's the proper place for it though your posting about this is still a good "social" thing to do. At least you are not aiding thieves by keeping silent. I wish you luck and good fortune. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Melinda Bettin Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Oleksiy1 isnÆt Eve a game where people cooperate? IsnÆt it a game where players may trust each other without being deceived? For the most part it is. Only problem is people don't go running to the forum when a successful trade or business deal takes place. It's just business as usual. That being said. Being a smart businessman, doesn't mean giving items, isk, whatever to someone for nothing (as you have learned). A series of mini transactions before larger and larger deals, is one way to slowly build trust. Besides most people can make more money through honest trade then throwaway scams of the week.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.03.18 18:57:00 - [8] Yup, fraid so. I never, ever trust anyone in Eve unless they have done somthing to earn it. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:01:00 - [9] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 18/03/2008 19:02:00 Hahah, it's not McCargo's honesty I'm doubting here but his mental abilities... Coming from someone like him this is a grand achievement.
Mr McCargo The Paradox Continium Deep Orion Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:03:00 - [10] Sorry, mate! I truly would have wanted to start producing, but it just didn't work out between me, wymep and you. There was just too much arguing. I mean, it seems like you still haven't realized that Kraanajuht is my alt, although I told you this quite a few times, along with other things you just didn't get. Anyways, I've been ready for you to declare war on me. As it's stated in the 10 rules of Eve somewhere: "Playing dirty is not allowed, it's encouraged!" My purpose was not personal gain, but I just wanted to add some flavor to the game. It was no big sum of ISK anyways. Good luck! Btw, why didn't you have the courage to post with you main Alex555? - Mr C
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Mr McCargo Sorry, mate! I truly would have wanted to start producing, but it just didn't work out between me, wymep and you. There was just too much arguing. I mean, it seems like you still haven't realized that Kraanajuht is my alt, although I told you this quite a few times, along with other things you just didn't get. Anyways, I've been ready for you to declare war on me. As it's stated in the 10 rules of Eve somewhere: "Playing dirty is not allowed, it's encouraged!" My purpose was not personal gain, but I just wanted to add some flavor to the game. It was no big sum of ISK anyways. Good luck! Btw, why didn't you have the courage to post with you main Alex555? Scaaaaaamer! Let's get him!
Oleksiy1 Freetraders Unity	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Oleksiy1 on 18/03/2008 19:22:58 Originally by: Mr McCargo Sorry, mate! I truly would have wanted to start producing, but it just didn't work out between me, wymep and you. There was just too much arguing. I mean, it seems like you still haven't realized that Kraanajuht is my alt, although I told you this quite a few times, along with other things you just didn't get. Anyways, I've been ready for you to declare war on me. As it's stated in the 10 rules of Eve somewhere: "Playing dirty is not allowed, it's encouraged!" My purpose was not personal gain, but I just wanted to add some flavor to the game. It was no big sum of ISK anyways. Good luck! Btw, why didn't you have the courage to post with you main Alex555? just because final contract was made by this character. just for protocol. accusing someone of scumming is a big thing, thus i made everything just correct. plus i hope that players who read this thread will make conclusion aobut you, as a trustfull business partner. I hope that u'll be brave enough not to edit your message here
Rho'varo Parvo Universalis	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Oleksiy1 I would propose to make a sticky thread where players could add scammers and cheaters. Looks like you might be interested in Fitz VonHeise's thread, The Thieves Of EvE: And Possible Corporate Thieves.
Mr McCargo The Paradox Continium Deep Orion Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Oleksiy1 Edited by: Oleksiy1 on 18/03/2008 19:30:59 Edited by: Oleksiy1 on 18/03/2008 19:22:58 Originally by: Mr McCargo Sorry, mate! I truly would have wanted to start producing, but it just didn't work out between me, wymep and you. There was just too much arguing. I mean, it seems like you still haven't realized that Kraanajuht is my alt, although I told you this quite a few times, along with other things you just didn't get. Anyways, I've been ready for you to declare war on me. As it's stated in the 10 rules of Eve somewhere: "Playing dirty is not allowed, it's encouraged!" My purpose was not personal gain, but I just wanted to add some flavor to the game. It was no big sum of ISK anyways. Good luck! Btw, why didn't you have the courage to post with you main Alex555? just because final contract was made by this character. just for protocol. accusing someone of scumming is a big thing, thus i made everything just correct. plus i hope that players who read this thread will make conclusion aobut you, as a "trustfull" business partner. I hope that u'll be brave enough not to edit your message here Why should I edit my post? I don't see you stating anything that would prove my sayings wrong. I wouldn't even if you did. Anyways, Rho'varo pointed you to a thread, where you can make sure that no one takes me for a "trustfull" (btw, it's trustful) business partner. - Mr C
Ulstan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:46:00 - [15] Quote: IsnÆt it a game where players may trust each other Oh lord no. You're thinking of those games where players band together for mutual aid towards a common purpose. In EVE everyone is out to scam you and rip you off. Gotta out smart them. If you don't know where they sleep IRL, don't trust 'em.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.03.18 19:59:00 - [16] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 18/03/2008 20:05:50 Originally by: Mr McCargo Why should I edit my post? I don't see you stating anything that would prove my sayings wrong. I wouldn't even if you did. Anyways, Rho'varo pointed you to a thread, where you can make sure that no one takes me for a "trustfull" (btw, it's trustful) business partner. If you wanted to scam and enjoy the benefits of getting blacklisted, then you sure chose to sell really cheap whatever good reputation you had.
Minerva Vulcan The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Oleksiy1 I was quite nanve, but isnÆt Eve a game where people cooperate? IsnÆt it a game where players may trust each other without being deceived? You must be new here. Welcome to EVE.
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Mr McCargo "trustfull" (btw, it's trustful) Don't think I've ever seen someone correct someone else's spelling without realizing it was entirely the wrong word to use in the first place. I believe you'll find 'trustworthy' is the word you're both looking for. Originally by: CCP Explorer This is intended, to not clutter the overview with information that new players don't need in their first few hours. (on stargates not being on overview)
Professor Bunsen Optech Mineral Ventures	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:37:00 - [19] Originally by: SonOfAGhost Don't think I've ever seen someone correct someone else's spelling without realizing it was entirely the wrong word to use in the first place. I believe you'll find 'trustworthy' is the word you're both looking for. This is why I love market forums [Eve-Index][Traded Mineral Options Tutorial]
Feng Schui Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:39:00 - [20] Quote: The situation is funny. I was quite nanve, but isnÆt Eve a game where people cooperate? Yes. Quote: IsnÆt it a game where players may trust each other without being deceived? I suppose that players like Mr McCargo and Kraanajuht ruin the idea of Eve. No. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Hexxx Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Hexxx on 18/03/2008 20:51:46 ... Ever watch a documentary of two rams running at each other full speed and then nearly knock each other over as they smash their skulls together? It's kinda like that. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:54:00 - [22] Sorry to hear about your loss. "Never trust anyone" is very good advice for life in Eve.
Cogwheel Legio Eterna	Posted - 2008.03.18 20:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Hexxx Edited by: Hexxx on 18/03/2008 20:51:46 ... Ever watch a documentary of two rams running at each other full speed and then nearly knock each other over as they smash their skulls together? It's kinda like that. Especially when they're on the face of a cliff
wymep Freetraders Unity	Posted - 2008.03.18 21:17:00 - [24] Though I donÆt respect what cargo did I do respect that he wrote his view on this subject. EVE is a fun place
Oleksiy1 Freetraders Unity	Posted - 2008.03.18 21:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Robacz Sorry to hear about your loss. "Never trust anyone" is very good advice for life in Eve. thanx for support and for advice
Letrange Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2008.03.19 14:53:00 - [26] My advice? Even if you trust them, put up a contract, keeps everything above board and adds to your contract history. It's a good habit to get into. If they won't accept a contract, get very suspicious. You never know when it'll save your ass.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.03.19 15:16:00 - [27] Wow. What a waste of two good characters on the scammer's part. All for, what, 500m or so? The average corp theft takes less effort, involves half the number of characters, and nets more isk. Plus it spreads the losses across more people, so each is proportionally a little less angry. Unless, of course, this was a far larger scam than I've guessed; I don't see hard numbers anywhere in your post. Oh, and also, let me say that I support pretty much everything that everyone else has said, especially SonOfAGhost, who beat me to the post I wanted to make. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Mr McCargo The Paradox Continium Deep Orion Exploration	Posted - 2008.03.19 15:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Wow. What a waste of two good characters on the scammer's part. All for, what, 500m or so? The average corp theft takes less effort, involves half the number of characters, and nets more isk. Plus it spreads the losses across more people, so each is proportionally a little less angry. Unless, of course, this was a far larger scam than I've guessed; I don't see hard numbers anywhere in your post. Oh, and also, let me say that I support pretty much everything that everyone else has said, especially SonOfAGhost, who beat me to the post I wanted to make. MP It was a bit more than that (something like 2.5b), but no big sum. I could have probably netted about 8b, had I waited some more, but as I said - in the first part, scamming was not my intention, as I have loads more ISK than that. Anyways, as things went on, I just couldn't keep up with the arguing. But, instead of just saying "goodbye" to them, I thought I might as well take something with me. I've never done any scamming before, so it was probably stupid to just take the money. However, I haven't done much else than trading in Eve, so I wanted to try something new. Obviously, I'm not happy with the outcome and I did not think Alex would come whining on the forums. Yet, what's done, is done. Guess I just have to live with it. - Mr C
Oleksiy1 Freetraders Unity	Posted - 2008.03.19 17:20:00 - [29] IÆm not whining or whatsoever I have just stated the fact of scumming. It was also a warning to other players that such things are happening in the eve world. I bet they knew about that, thus it was just another precaution To Mr McCargo û I couldnÆt believe myself when u did that, because you could have earned much more if we just were cooperating. But no regrets. ItÆs a tough lesson for me, but I think I got it for relatively low price, it could have been worse And what aobut isks that IÆve lostà I will earn some more
Kasean ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:00:00 - [30] This thread brings up an intereasting question. How much would you sell your reputation for? Most MMOs reputation is the only thing you can't buy and once you develop a bad reputation, there isn't much you can do to fix it. Because people will remember the bad so much longer then the good. I feel my reputation is worth more then 2 bil and I am a nobody. It would probably take 50+ bil for me to give it up, because having a reputation affords me things I can't to without one. I know of many people who wouldn't sell out their reputation at all. So again, how much would you sell out your reputation for?

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