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Kagashi Kage
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:42:00 -
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Scapmetal looks great, but it requires Refining and Refining Efficiency both at 5.....I doubt I'll bother with that just to get better refines for my 'junk'...
Kage
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Kusha'an
Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Salliene
If you're running missions, you are quickly going to have several hangars full of loot. How you handle the selling of that loot will make a big impact on your wallet. The biggest mistake that new players make is right clicking on an item and then selling it for whatever comes up in the sell box.
Lets look at a very common loot item, the Small Capacitor Battery I. If you right click and sell it you will most likely get an offer of about 100 - 1000 ISK.
Now instead of selling it, cancel out and go into the View Market Details for the Small Capacitor Battery. You will see that the as you get closer to Jita, the asking price for that battery grows until it reaches a peak of around 6000isk or so right in and around Jita.
Now you might be asking why would anyone pay 6000isk for a small capacitor battery? The reason is that this particular item (like many other items, but not all) can be broken back down into the it's material components. Those components are worth more than the item itself.
A Small Capacitor Battery can be reprocessed down into about 12000 - 20000 isk worth of minerals, depending on the skill of the reprocessor and the current market conditions.
So the secret to money making in EVE is taking the time to do a bit more research on everything you sell. You can take your small capacitor battery and stick it off to the side and sell it later when you get closer to a market hub, you could put up your own sell order in your current system and wait for someone to buy it from you (for more than 100isk!), or you could reprocess it yourself and sell the base minerals or use them to make something more useful.
This little bit of extra time per item that you acquire is why there are people out there with plenty of money, and people with no money. It's not about the skills, it's about being smart with your money.
Meh. It's about being smart with your TIME. You can do any ONE of the things suggested in the above post, but don't do all of them.
Ever heard the phrase "Jack of all trades, master of none?"
If you're going to salvage, salvage, but don't then turn around and be Mr. Trader. You're wasting time doing something you're not as skilled at, and you're wasting opportunity cost when you could be out there killing and salvaging. Reprocessing the cheapo items is a good idea, but setting up hundreds of sell orders for Cargo Scanner I is an absolute waste of time unless you're a mega trader. Taking a trip 9 jumps to a mission hub just to make an extra 10,000 isk is also a waste of time. I won't make a trip unless I can make a million or more in profit.
Personally, I sell the expensive items and reprocess the rest, stockpiling my minerals until I have enough to build my own battleship. You can easily make a billion isk a month using this method with level 4 missions.
Bottom line: dispose of your loot in one of the many possible ways, and get your butt back out there doing what you do best.
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Kagashi Kage
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:29:00 -
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Well, after starting up salaving the last couple of hours, I have to stay, thanks for all the great advice. It is really does make mission pay much much more!
For any other newbies, my advice would be to get the salvage skill asap then get into your tier 3 frigate, fully combat loadout and also another frigate (I suggest the mining firgate you can pilot), and load it out with scanners and expanded cargo & afterburner. Start a kill mission in your combat frig, destory every enermy ship, but dont loot anything. Head back to station, dont hand in the mission, instead, jump in the other frig, and head back out and loot & salavge everything, then go back to station, hand in the mission and dump your loot in the hanger for selling 
Again, cheers everyone for the info in the thread
Kage
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:33:00 -
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Kagashi, you might even do 3 or 4 kill missions in a row, bookmark a wreck in each one, turn them in, and then go back with your salvager to all four sites.
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lLonewolf
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:39:00 -
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i just discovered the joys of npc rating
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi Kage
Start a kill mission in your combat frig, destory every enermy ship, but dont loot anything. Head back to station, dont hand in the mission, instead, jump in the other frig, and head back out and loot & salavge everything, then go back to station, hand in the mission and dump your loot in the hanger for selling
Again, cheers everyone for the info in the thread
Kage
Kagashi, you can actually right click any wreck and choose to bookmark the location. If you do this you can turn in the mission and remove any warp gates and warp directly to zero to that bookmarked wreck. This is not massively time reducing in lvl 1 missions but it is especially usefull in those missions that have multiple rooms.
Fly Safe, Have Fun, and Keep eyes on local even if you are in high sec,
Slade
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Richard Butt
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Butt on 21/03/2008 20:49:52
Sell everything meta 3+, Ctrl+A, rightclick -> reprocess and sell minerals.
Whoop de doo, I could get 2000 more isk for my Small Piece Of Crap if I spend a month training industry and trade skills and haul the result halfway across the galaxy to sell. Or, I could get all that crap out of my hangar nice and quickly so I can get on with doing something more constructive - like, killing mission NPCs for big fat hairy bounties.
It's all a matter of time efficiency - spending literally hours poring over the contents of your hangar and doing multi-region market research on everything sounds like a great idea, until you consider how much mission income you've missed out on while you were playing Mr Look-After-The-Pennies.
I don't even bother looting low-level missions any more (apart from "special" spawns, like cruisers in a L1 mission which usually have half-decent loot and/or officer tags), let alone salvage them. It's a massive waste of time, and the few occasions where you actually get something of value are overwhelmed by the amounts of worthless crap that you collect.
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Conur Helsan
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Posted - 2008.03.22 03:27:00 -
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of course, on the other hand, some people might enjoy the change of pace. Not everyone is an Achura Monk in a Raven running a spreadsheet to optimise their isk and sp per hour.
Missions are incredibly boring once you've done them all a dozen (or thousand) times. A lot of people might prefer to trade/mine/explore/salvage/build etc. If they don't try it all then they'll never know.
Bellicose advocation of mission grinding as the only worthwhile way of playing sounds rather like gankers prattling on about carebears.
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Enoeraew3
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 04:27:00 -
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I'm not sure about the other factions but as a amarr I was able to get a salvaging book from an easy starter quest..hopefully people arnt buying that book heh
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Kagashi Kage
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Posted - 2008.03.22 07:32:00 -
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Btw, how long will wrecks and cans sit in space before despawning?
Cheers
Kage
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The Aquilonian
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.22 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on
-Also keep in mind salvaging can be a -great- ISK maker. What most players do is buy a destroyer, fit it with tractor beams and salvagers, and use it to loot and salvage their kills.
This is absolutely right. Ratting and salvaging in 0.8 to 0.5 space is very profitable for a beginner. There are salvaged items (melted capacitor-console) which will bring close to 400.000 ISK per item. I often made over 5 millions a day ratting and salvaging. You can start in 0.8 sec space and work you way down to 0.5 after your fighting ablitilies started to grow. I did some missions in the beginning but with lvl.1 mission you want make a lot of ISK and the lvl.2 and 3 missions can be risky for a beginner. Please observe that learning all the skills takes time. So you can spend 30 days or so making 5 mill a day to can buy a very good ship afterwards.
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The Aquilonian
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.22 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi Kage
Well, after starting up salaving the last couple of hours, I have to stay, thanks for all the great advice. It is really does make mission pay much much more!
Might be, if your are salvaging the rats you killed in the mission. 30 rats in several waves make good salvaging if you survive the fight.
As other players in this thread already said - in my opinion - salvaging is a must for beginners.
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Neurogenic
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:28:00 -
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A quick question about salvaging....what level of mission rats start to drop reasonable stuff...or is it just a % thing no matter what. I have just started salvaging from L1 missions and am getting (according to the market info) pretty poor stuff...broken armour or transponders etc
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Suboran
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Neurogenic
A quick question about salvaging....what level of mission rats start to drop reasonable stuff...or is it just a % thing no matter what. I have just started salvaging from L1 missions and am getting (according to the market info) pretty poor stuff...broken armour or transponders etc
its pretty random, different races can drop more of one type than others, for example drones drop lots of frone interfaces. bigger ships drop more salvage also.
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Gerry TheViking
50 Caliber Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.22 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Neurogenic
A quick question about salvaging....what level of mission rats start to drop reasonable stuff...or is it just a % thing no matter what. I have just started salvaging from L1 missions and am getting (according to the market info) pretty poor stuff...broken armour or transponders etc
Well I salvaged armor plates from Blood and Sanshas that brought up to 200.000 ISK on the market. Lately I found out that the stuff salvaged from Guristas is not worth much.
So it surely depends on the rats and the region.
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hena var
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.23 02:57:00 -
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i've tried everything, so far trading and social engineering aka scamming have paid best given the number of hours put it, both require some player skill that you acquire over time so as a noob that is only a few months old probably not a good way to make ISK
when i was a noob i made good isk ratting in 0.0 in a cruiser, 15-20 mil per hour which is same as lvl 4 mission income but I didn't have skills to run level 4 missions, i had just 3.5 mil and a good portion of those was in learing - 0.0 belt rats come in smaller spawns and are easier to handle for new characters and they do not require you to fly a battleship - salvaging also pays decently - then there are occasional perk like finding a special spawn
mining has never paid every single time i tried it (which was about 3 times), running level 4 missions brings in decent income which will allow you to be middle class in EVE, but earning very good ISK always requires a bit more creativity on your part and sometimes deviousness (kind of like irl) than doing the same mission over and over again
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Kahega Amielden
Legacy Syndicate
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.03.23 03:09:00 -
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What kind of a setup do you use to 0.0 rat? I might try that in my 'cane.
Lowsec ratting can give some good profit as well. A corpmate recently found a 5-run Shadow Control Tower Medium BPC. He can make about 200 mil profit for each one he sells, so...
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.23 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Butt
Whoop de doo, I could get 2000 more isk for my Small Piece Of Crap if I spend a month training industry and trade skills and haul the result halfway across the galaxy to sell. Or, I could get all that crap out of my hangar nice and quickly so I can get on with doing something more constructive - like, killing mission NPCs for big fat hairy bounties.
Well said. In fact what you could do is just get the BPO for your favorite ship (Rifter, Stabber, something that'll still be fun even when you could be flying a BS) and your favorite fittings, just melt down all the loot you find (dont sell it) and manufacture whatever you need. Never have to deal with ISK again.
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Cfiloruz Xilocient
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi Kage
Thats one of the reasons I'm thinking about how to earn some ISK, I've been looking at some medium term goals and, well, they dont come for free, so am wondering how best to go about making some ISK, as combat mission running seems to be taking forever to earn a bit of ISK (Lvls 1 & 2 in a frigate)...
Cheers
Kage
So.. little isk help.
I'm currently at 1.7 mil SP.
How it went for me.
1. i trained salvaging and salvaged every single mission i had.
2. i upgraded ships to better ones as soon as i had skill for it doing level 1 missions in omen at day 6. (standing too low for l2's)
3. started level 2's in omen earned me 37mil at the end of trial time getting me payment and battlecruisers skill and shortly i found myself sitting in Harbinger.
4. at week 3 i had accumulated 150M isk buying 60mil fit for harbinger and mission running took 50% less time for that superior dps (still could not tank level 3 missions)
5. at day 25 i bought apocalypse and mounted it with (dont kill me) medium beams. btu had enough tank value to do all level 3 missions thrown at my way.
6. day 30 brought me abaddon (after selling apoc) and current plan is to continue this road of mission runner.
its currently day 31 and 4 days skill training will bring me skill to fit some large beams on me. I hope these remaining days will get me enough isk to buy the missing fits for the abaddon.
Mission running IS a good way to make isk.
Just get some experienced player to tell you what are most important skills to pick first because as it seems i dont plan what i need to be in a month or two rather than training what i cant live without at current time.
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Cfiloruz Xilocient
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi Kage
Forgot to ask, for mission running, is it profitable to use LPs earned to buy stuff to sell on, or should I keep em for myself to use?
Cheers
Kage
I've heard that LP's are good to buy really really high level implants.. :P
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Pink Lemonade
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.24 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Pink Lemonade on 24/03/2008 20:19:34
You should concentrate on finding an activity that lets you have fun while you make ISK. Yes you need to earn funds for skill books and pvp, but what good is spending half your play time doing something you really find boring when you're supposed to be playing a game and having fun? A lot of people grind and grind and grind and then they quit EVE. If I started with mining and mission running when I was a newbie I'd probably feel inclined to quit in a few months. But I went contrary to the popular advice and contrary to what most of my friends and corp-mates were doing and found activities that were fun and earned me some ISK. Over time I got better at it and my income increased as a result. But most importantly I enjoyed making ISK just like I enjoyed spending it :D
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No'akai
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.26 07:35:00 -
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'as prolly been mentioned, but join a corporation, if they're noob friendly enough that is. Ought to give you a hand with the gazillion different things in this universe...
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Danui
United Titans Of Progress
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Posted - 2008.03.26 08:06:00 -
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Another good tip... find a corp and do some missions together.
Yesterday was the first time i done some missions with corp mates. I was the salvager, had a destroyer with 3 tractorbeams and 3 salvagers. Just about 2 hours play and i made over 10mil worth on loot, bounty and salvage. We were with 3 members so the loot and bounty and salvage was wurth over 30milj... because we split all equily. Not bad for 2 hours play.
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