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Rommitus School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:39:00 - [1] you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:47:00 - [2] Or just move away from Caldari space ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Akita T Or just move away from Caldari space ? you mean move to minmatar space.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.03.20 19:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Rommitus you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you! Yes it's been mentioned as the cure for suiciders for months but will the eternal victims learn? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Daylen Drazzi GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.20 20:23:00 - [5] There will be no safety for the unclean as long as they reside in the Most Holy Lands. I say unto you, go into the Minmitar lands that have been set aside for the unsanctified where you will be safe from our most Holy Jihad. Allahu Ackbar! Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Karttoon is his prophet. "Ya see us Goons neva lose, If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares, If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares If'n we run away we always come back later so Goons neva lose ya see?"
Jimmie Zissou Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.20 21:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Daylen Drazzi There will be no safety for the unclean as long as they reside in the Most Holy Lands. I say unto you, go into the Minmitar lands that have been set aside for the unsanctified where you will be safe from our most Holy Jihad. Allahu Ackbar! Praise be to Allah, there is no god but Allah, and Karttoon is his prophet. As a Minmatar This is offensive!!! Minmatar space is beautiful and full of rich minmatar history! Heed the warning AMARR!!! If any are found roaming our space We will send you on a one way trip to meet your God !!!
Nyabinghi Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.20 21:16:00 - [7] Does frequent CONCORD spawns cause lag? If so it might be an incentive for CCP to address the issue of these constant suicide ganks. You know, in consideration of their Need For Speed Initiative. ***
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.20 21:17:00 - [8] mine in lowsec
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2008.03.20 22:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Rommitus you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you! You know, I have really never been a fan of the goons, but I guess even they can come up with a good idea now and then! And so they have with the jihad! You see, after their message you are free to mine in minmatar space! That means if you will continue to mine in peace you can: 1. take your chance they wont find you! or. 2. Move to minmatar space IF people start moving from the overcrowded space which now the are the hunting areas of the goons people will start utilizing space which are not overcrowding: Minmatar space! So if all works out according to their plane, this could be a system relief and ease the burdens on the systems around Jita and other crowded space. And yes I know you cant mine in jita. I hope the jihad can force people to spread out more, but since people are so afraid of moving I doubt that many will use the opportunities they have been given by the goonies to mine in peace in minmatar space. Not sure what the goons reasoning for allowing people to mine in minmatar space though.. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Tyria Sharken	Posted - 2008.03.20 22:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Nyabinghi Does frequent CONCORD spawns cause lag? If so it might be an incentive for CCP to address the issue of these constant suicide ganks. You know, in consideration of their Need For Speed Initiative. For each 'incidence' of a criminal act in 'safe-space' Concord sends 1 squad of bouncers to deal with it... so a single suicide attempt by a alt to get concord to show up will only bring 1 group. Which whont cause mutch lag... BUT if you have an alt attack over and over and over again, concord will continue to send another and another and another 'group' of ships to the spot of the attack.. so yes.. you CAN overlag and crash a node by doing that. The only way CCP will ever make empire space actualy 'safe' is if they disable player damage on all but war-targets in empire.. but then thats something i dought they will ever do. --------------------------------------------- "Only two great species on this planet take part in massive, organized warfare. Men, and ants."
Tristin Del'astakhos Public Venture Enterprises Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.03.20 22:45:00 - [11] Or they could ban pirates from using any gate that leads to high sec space. Why they are allowed to enter now is beyond me. If a known criminal walks by a police officer in the real world, they will be arrested. Players who choose to play pirates should have to sacrifice something don't you think? -------------------------------------------------- Tristin Del'astakhos - Seeking employment
Italian Wedding Soup Of The Day	Posted - 2008.03.20 22:52:00 - [12] Long live the Jihad. Praise be to Allah.
Alski Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.20 22:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Rommitus you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you! Doesent work, because: Originally by: Tyria Sharken For each 'incidence' of a criminal act in 'safe-space' Concord sends 1 squad of bouncers to deal with it The group that spawned to pop your alt will not be the same group that responds to pop anyone who trys to kill your barge. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Annaphera The Green Machine	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:07:00 - [14] If what the OP suggests works, great. But I have yet to see anyone confirm that if there are CONCORD ships hanging around, they will open fire on new lawbreakers. I will be content if this is so, though the alt I create to 'active' this protection won't much like it. HOWEVER...if not, then one issue remains...no one, Goon or otherwise, should ever again suggest that hiring a guard is a solution to being suicide ganked. A few facts: 1) The guard, even if in a fleet with you, can do nothing until a hostile act occurs - ie, the ganker has already attacked you. 2) Suicides go in expecting that CONCORD will kill them, so the threat of being popped doesn't mean much - this is high sec, so you can't even punish them by podding them without getting nailed by CONCORD yourself, as I understand things. 3) Suicides don't politely target and attack the guard first, and the miner only gets ganked once the guard is dead. No, they go straight for the miner, meaning that unless you've got some massively skilled and equipped guard, or a lot of them, a few suicide ships are almost guaranteed a kill on the miner at least. 4) Someone, please show me how a Covetor with one mid and two low slots can be tanked enough to last until CONCORD arrives, or (given the ability of a knowledgeable ganker to warp in right on top of you) get out even if aligned and paying attention. Hulks may stand a fighting chance if properly equipped - Covetors (or any other barge) are helpless. 5) Explain why everyone who doesn't fly a Hulk or a fleet of Covetors with six times as many guards should be forced to abandon all areas with Kernite or go to low sec, and why this kind of mass attack on CCP's financial future should be allowed. I call it an attack on CCP's financial future because most miners I know have NO desire to spend all their time acting like a paranoid ***** addict (aka, mining in low sec), nor do they want to be cut off from three-quarters of the available mineral resources in supposedly Empire-controlled space. I imagine a large number would leave for greener pastures, and cause CCP some bad word-of-mouth PR in the process. 6) If the Empire nations claim to control "Empire-controlled space," why aren't they (and hence CCP) doing anything about what is obviously a threat to their territories and economies? Okay, the rant/questions are over. Please note, I am not whining and am not crying. If I lose a ship to the Goonswarm, so be it, I will replace it. I do not, however, believe that allowing people to sneak through rules loopholes and then blame those they victimize for "allowing" themselves to be griefed is good policy for any game company. Purely on principle, I object to CCP's tolerance for what the Goons are doing. The 'Swarm is out to ruin others' enjoyment of the game, pure and simple, and by extension take over the game as a whole. The message is that they are strong enough that no one is allowed any playstyle that doesn't suit their whims, and CCP doesn't see a problem with this. Makes a person hope that Warhammer is playable.
Lady Karma State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Tyria Sharken The only way CCP will ever make empire space actualy 'safe' is if they disable player damage on all but war-targets in empire.. but then thats something i dought they will ever do. Or they could just go the full distance and implement the pvp flag on/off That would be so great
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 21/03/2008 00:23:14 Originally by: Tristin Del'astakhos Or they could ban pirates from using any gate that leads to high sec space. Why they are allowed to enter now is beyond me. If a known criminal walks by a police officer in the real world, they will be arrested. Players who choose to play pirates should have to sacrifice something don't you think? Only this isn't the real world.It's a game.I don't think it's supposed to mirror real life. If you want real world try looking out of a window.If you want to play a masterfully constructed MMO that is as dark as it is beautiful in an artificial galaxy created for us by CCP then play Eve. Some rules in the real world a hardly fair either.
Annaphera	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 21/03/2008 00:17:02 Originally by: Tyria Sharken The only way CCP will ever make empire space actualy 'safe' is if they disable player damage on all but war-targets in empire.. but then thats something i dought they will ever do. Or they could just go the full distance and implement the pvp flag on/off That would be so great To the OP. Concorde is a plane that sadly flies no more. CONCORD is the in game almighty smiter Very unlikely, and I would be sad to see it happen. The game does have non-consensual PvP as a core concept...my only complaints are that what is happening seems to go against the lore of the setting (the Empires' inflow of minerals is being sapped and yet they are doing nothing), and that the victims have little or no chance to avoid getting caught. Using guards is completely worthless, and the people bleating that you should always mine in a system with a tiny number of people are being a trifle unrealistic...anywhere but low sec, where there are minerals there are people.
Kim Chee	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:31:00 - [18] But I don't want to move to Minmatar space. I have no desire to mine Duct Tape ORE, or salvage Tin Foil. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.03.21 00:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Annaphera (the Empires' inflow of minerals is being sapped and yet they are doing nothing), and that the victims have little or no chance to avoid getting caught. Look at the market, then rethink your statement The reason why mineral prices have not been affected is because of the scale of the macro industry. Warp to any ice belt in high sec. You kill 1 hulk/mackinaw 2 more spawn in its place Concord should be killing them themselves to promote a healthy market. 6 months ago, I was paying 250mil+ per vaga, now I can buy them for 80mil. Its a buyers market...far too many suppliers.
Primnproper Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 21/03/2008 00:40:24 Originally by: Annaphera (the Empires' inflow of minerals is being sapped and yet they are doing nothing), and that the victims have little or no chance to avoid getting caught. Look at the market, then rethink your statement The reason why mineral prices have not been affected is because of the scale of the macro industry. Warp to any ice belt in high sec. You kill 1 hulk/mackinaw 2 more spawn in its place Concord should be killing them themselves to promote a healthy market. 6 months ago, I was paying 250mil+ per vaga (edit: time flies..more like a year ago), now I can buy them for 80mil. Its a buyers market...far too many suppliers. Maybe in 6 months time, Goons will have driven the price back up. More likely is , even the largest alliance in the game cannot dent the isk farmers industry. Point being, if Goons have any affect on economy from this, you will see prices go UP. So far they continue to fall. ISK farmers > Goons You ever thought that it might be the effect of invention not macros that brought the vaga price down???
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Rommitus you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you! Quoting the op to say... Concord ships that are already there will do nothing. A new set of them spawns for each aggressive act committed in highsec... so they're going to have just as much time with your concord buddies sitting there laughing at you as you get ganked before your "saviors" show up. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Gamesguy on 21/03/2008 01:11:46 Originally by: Alski Originally by: Rommitus you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you! Doesent work, because: Originally by: Tyria Sharken For each 'incidence' of a criminal act in 'safe-space' Concord sends 1 squad of bouncers to deal with it The group that spawned to pop your alt will not be the same group that responds to pop anyone who trys to kill your barge. Wrong. If you aggress where concord is already on-grid, they will instantly BBQ you in 2 seconds.
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:12:00 - [23] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Rommitus you must make a sacrifice. a scarifice of a alt char(rookie).pick your mining area and have your alt attack you.sadly for your alt it will be destroyed, but the glory will come, CONCORDE will be by your side as you mine in peace. suicides happen when CONCORDE isnt around.but with your savior their to watch over you, just say i dare you! Quoting the op to say... Concord ships that are already there will do nothing. A new set of them spawns for each aggressive act committed in highsec... so they're going to have just as much time with your concord buddies sitting there laughing at you as you get ganked before your "saviors" show up. I love how people with no experience with these things speak with so much authority. You are completely wrong.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Primnproper You ever thought that it might be the effect of invention not macros that brought the vaga price down??? Who cares. Market is going down. When you see a rise in prices, then I might believe the "omg sky is falling" rubbish Kill the silly hulks, maybe prices will start to rise again, and the builders will be happy
Annaphera	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 21/03/2008 00:40:24 Originally by: Annaphera (the Empires' inflow of minerals is being sapped and yet they are doing nothing), and that the victims have little or no chance to avoid getting caught. Look at the market, then rethink your statement The reason why mineral prices have not been affected is because of the scale of the macro industry. Warp to any ice belt in high sec. You kill 1 hulk/mackinaw 2 more spawn in its place Concord should be killing them themselves to promote a healthy market. 6 months ago, I was paying 250mil+ per vaga (edit: time flies..more like a year ago), now I can buy them for 80mil. Its a buyers market...far too many suppliers. Maybe in 6 months time, Goons will have driven the price back up. More likely is , even the largest alliance in the game cannot dent the isk farmers industry. Point being, if Goons have any affect on economy from this, you will see prices go UP. So far they continue to fall. ISK farmers > Goons I was speaking of the "RP" effects, not the real ones. You don't think that, given the gun-happy and somewhat overbearing nature of some of the governments in Empire space, that they would perceive someone whacking miners in their territory to be a possible concern to their economies?
Lady Karma State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Annaphera I was speaking of the "RP" effects, not the real ones. You don't think that, given the gun-happy and somewhat overbearing nature of some of the governments in Empire space, that they would perceive someone whacking miners in their territory to be a possible concern to their economies? Prices are dropping. Concord should be happy that their empire might get a boost from increased mineral prices. If anything, the ganking has stimulated a somewhat stale economy. So far the only change has been in the price of black market isk. What a surprise
Annaphera The Green Machine	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Annaphera I was speaking of the "RP" effects, not the real ones. You don't think that, given the gun-happy and somewhat overbearing nature of some of the governments in Empire space, that they would perceive someone whacking miners in their territory to be a possible concern to their economies? Prices are dropping. Concord should be happy that their empire might get a boost from increased mineral prices. If anything, the ganking has stimulated a somewhat stale economy. So far the only change has been in the price of black market isk. What a surprise Missed the point completely...I'm referring to the Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente. Fictionally, at least, they profit from people mining and manufacturing in their respective territories. Along comes a group determined to destroy the basis of the manufacturing chain and stop the flow of resources in space THEY CONTROL. You honestly think they are going to sit on their butts and say "well, they seem to be stimulating the economy on the whole, at the moment..."
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Annaphera Along comes a group determined to destroy the basis of the manufacturing chain and stop the flow of resources in space THEY CONTROL. You honestly think they are going to sit on their butts and say "well, they seem to be stimulating the economy on the whole, at the moment..." No..you are missing the point. The economy has NOT been touched. Few guys have lost their ships, that is all. Show me some stats to indicate any impact on economy. Same old rubbish, people crying to get game changed because they got blown up.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.03.21 02:00:00 - [29] Snug you Hulk (or whatever) smack in between a nice, dense pack of roids. While not making you 100% safe it can make their job a lot harder (apart from of course tanking your ships with Plates/Extenders/Resists as best you can). - Forces you to not be lazy if you usually mine from where you land on a WTZ to the belt which will get you owned. - Makes it more difficult for a CovOps to maneuver to a location to act as a warp anchor without decloaking themself. - If they try to warp a ship in right on top of you chances are very good they will be bounced away for landing in a roid. This can save you from smartbomb death, may push them out of high damage, close range blaster range and possibly mess up tracking on guns as their ship jumps out of the way. The downside of course is you cannot warp out fast but if they are catching you in a suicide gank you are almost certainly webbed and scrammed anyway so no biggie. If they work at it they can likely overcome these inconveniences but likely they will look for easier targets unless they are really bored. And you might get lucky and live and get to watch CONCORD pop them. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Uzuness	Posted - 2008.03.21 02:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Akita T Or just move away from Caldari space ? you mean move to minmatar space. But they smell funny. Much love the the Minmatar people out there. But yes, if you don't want to get killed, just leave Caldari space. I already am.

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