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Arriana Echan
Transcendent Creations Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:28:00 -
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I am a rather new player, just a few weeks old. I am currently a miner and when I have y skills up will start building too. I know I will get flamed for this but, I am not looking to PvP. I know this is what eve is all about, and I like that but I will not go out of my way to find it, I see avoiding the PvPers as part of my game.
Anyway, I will soon be able to fly a retriever (currently I have a vexor with 5xlight, 5xmedium and 5xmining drones, and 4 miner II's / 4 small turrets depending on what I am doing). How will I fair in lowsec? I have the assets to buy and fit my retriever, so from now on I dont intend to sell any ore/minerals and just stockpile it till I get hold of blueprints to start manufacturing, so obviously highsec belts just wont cut it, and anyway I like watching my drones tear up npc rats while I mine.
Any advice while I am here? I am in a PC corp with some great people, but you can never have too much help :)
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:38:00 -
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Based on your post, I'm not sure you understand the implications of going to low-sec. You realize that you can be shot there without CONCORD intervention, correct?
One of the first rules of EVE is to never fly something that you cannot afford to lose. If you do go to low-sec to mine, do so in a cheap ship that wouldn't cost you much to replace. These tips will help you keep alive to:
1. Always watch local chat and check out everyone who shows up
2. Find the least crowded systems in your area
3. While mining, keep your ship pointed toward a station so you can warp out faster if needed
4. Don't get frustrated if you get blown up
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Ginuad Amarasen
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:41:00 -
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Intel channels are really important, too.
Bear in mind the "EVE is all about PVP" is just an attitude typical of forum douchebags and not actually true. It's much broader than that, but I can see how someone would get the impression that view is common by reading the forums. |
Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:43:00 -
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I have a corpmate who had the same idea as you. It was pretty funny watching him jump in with his hulk whistling a merry tune and jump out 30 min later in his pod cursing like a sailor.
Solo mining low sec is a death trip, full stop. If you intend to go into mfg buying your high ends is way more profitable because you won't have all those losses to make up. Turn back now before this whole thing ends in tears.
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Lorna Loot
Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:45:00 -
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please post the system you are thinking of and I will be sure to give you an escort to the belt and eventually a station.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Ginuad Amarasen
Intel channels are really important, too.
Bear in mind the "EVE is all about PVP" is just an attitude typical of forum douchebags and not actually true. It's much broader than that, but I can see how someone would get the impression that view is common by reading the forums.
Keep in mind that everything you do in eve is PVP.
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Burnharder
Tiny Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arriana Echan
I am a rather new player, just a few weeks old. I am currently a miner and when I have y skills up will start building too. I know I will get flamed for this but, I am not looking to PvP. I know this is what eve is all about, and I like that but I will not go out of my way to find it, I see avoiding the PvPers as part of my game.
Anyway, I will soon be able to fly a retriever (currently I have a vexor with 5xlight, 5xmedium and 5xmining drones, and 4 miner II's / 4 small turrets depending on what I am doing). How will I fair in lowsec? I have the assets to buy and fit my retriever, so from now on I dont intend to sell any ore/minerals and just stockpile it till I get hold of blueprints to start manufacturing, so obviously highsec belts just wont cut it, and anyway I like watching my drones tear up npc rats while I mine.
Any advice while I am here? I am in a PC corp with some great people, but you can never have too much help :)
tbh I wouldn't bother. If you are sharp and careful, you'll spend more time warping to/from station when a threat enters local than actually mining. You'll also make more in minerals refining the loot from level 4 missions in high sec than you will solo mining in low, honestly.
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Arriana Echan
Transcendent Creations Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Based on your post, I'm not sure you understand the implications of going to low-sec. You realize that you can be shot there without CONCORD intervention, correct?
One of the first rules of EVE is to never fly something that you cannot afford to lose. If you do go to low-sec to mine, do so in a cheap ship that wouldn't cost you much to replace. These tips will help you keep alive to:
1. Always watch local chat and check out everyone who shows up
2. Find the least crowded systems in your area
3. While mining, keep your ship pointed toward a station so you can warp out faster if needed
4. Don't get frustrated if you get blown up
I understand concord wont help, and that I will likely loose more than a few ships, but wheres the fun in a game with no risk? Thanks for your time :)
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Ginuad Amarasen
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
Solo mining low sec is a death trip, full stop. If you intend to go into mfg buying your high ends is way more profitable because you won't have all those losses to make up. Turn back now before this whole thing ends in tears.
This man speaks truth. Mining solo is dicey enough when you're doing it in a properly policed 0.0 area. In lowsec, you might as well hit self-destruct on your ship.
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Kain De'Stroi
Epic.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:52:00 -
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i dont know much about mining, but i think the diffrence between mining low ends in empire and mining mid ends in low sec isnt that high.
and im guessing that you probably would be better off ninja mining gneiss in 0.0 whit a cheap mining frig.
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Burnharder
Tiny Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Arriana Echan
Originally by: Tarminic
Based on your post, I'm not sure you understand the implications of going to low-sec. You realize that you can be shot there without CONCORD intervention, correct?
One of the first rules of EVE is to never fly something that you cannot afford to lose. If you do go to low-sec to mine, do so in a cheap ship that wouldn't cost you much to replace. These tips will help you keep alive to:
1. Always watch local chat and check out everyone who shows up
2. Find the least crowded systems in your area
3. While mining, keep your ship pointed toward a station so you can warp out faster if needed
4. Don't get frustrated if you get blown up
I understand concord wont help, and that I will likely loose more than a few ships, but wheres the fun in a game with no risk? Thanks for your time :)
With your level of skill, you are just as likely to be killed by the rats than other players, so add that into the mix, alongside the fact you aren't going to make much of a profit, throw in the threat of PvP and then weigh that up against the "excitement". Balance the risk v the reward and you'll find there is not enough of the latter to justify the former, imho.
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Kain De'Stroi
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kain De''Stroi on 21/03/2008 14:59:05
if you absoluty have to mine in low sec, then you should go for exploration and probe out the hidden belts, then it could be worth it
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.03.21 14:57:00 -
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... and as long as I'm on a soapbox here, I'm guessing that the OP wants to mine his rare mins because he thinks that way they'll be "free." If that's the case he needs to be disabused of this faulty notion post haste.
If you have a stack of tritanium that you could sell on the market for 5 mil, but instead you use it to build something that you sell for 4 mil ask yourself this: did you just make 4 mil or take a 20% hit?
Minerals are not free, ever. Therefore you lose nothing by buying hard- to- come- buy materials instead of mining them yourself.
Apologies if that's not what you're thinking, but you've got to catch these guys early. 
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:05:00 -
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Checking out low sec as a new player is definitely worth doing, imo, even if you don't think you're a pvp type. Just don't expect to make money out there until you learn the ropes.
You'll want to go in an expendable ship that's hard to catch, not worth the effort to track, and easy to replace (a frigate).
You're going to lose ships as you're first learning how to fly safe in the PvP zones so just plan for it. I've been learning this side of the game recently myself and I'm still managing to find new stupid ways to lose ships even though I've learned quite a bit.
Other than making sure you fly something you won't cry over losing the other big thing I think will really help your low-sec or 0.0 experience is to do it with friends be it corp mates, locals you're friends with, rl friends, or whatever. There's safety in numbers and the experienced in your group can smack you upside the head (virtually, of course) and tell you when you're doing something that's going to get you blown up.
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Arriana Echan
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
... and as long as I'm on a soapbox here, I'm guessing that the OP wants to mine his rare mins because he thinks that way they'll be "free." If that's the case he needs to be disabused of this faulty notion post haste.
If you have a stack of tritanium that you could sell on the market for 5 mil, but instead you use it to build something that you sell for 4 mil ask yourself this: did you just make 4 mil or take a 20% hit?
Minerals are not free, ever. Therefore you lose nothing by buying hard- to- come- buy materials instead of mining them yourself.
Apologies if that's not what you're thinking, but you've got to catch these guys early.
I think everyone here believes I think doing it all myself will bring in a shedload more ISK, which just isn't the case. I just like doing something risky in my MMO's, keeps me from killing myself stupidly in RL ;)
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arriana Echan
I think everyone here believes I think doing it all myself will bring in a shedload more ISK, which just isn't the case. I just like doing something risky in my MMO's, keeps me from killing myself stupidly in RL ;)
Okeydoke. In that case you've picked a good one, enjoy. 
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Kurlieu
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:16:00 -
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You don't have to look for PvP, it will find you.
A mining barge with tech II drones can hold it's own against the typical NPC rat gangs in low sec. However, that isn't really the problem is it?
I mine in low sec a lot, but I always have a corp mate riding shotgun. If you don't, you'll spend a lot of time looking over your shoulder, and a lot of time in your pod. I do enjoy the excitement of it.
I'd start in low sec using a Vexor or Exequror. I actually favor the Ex because of the increased cargo hold capacity and they're very cheap, although rather flimsy.
It's been said countless times - don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Arriana Echan
I think everyone here believes I think doing it all myself will bring in a shedload more ISK, which just isn't the case. I just like doing something risky in my MMO's, keeps me from killing myself stupidly in RL ;)
You are certainly an the right game then. 
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:24:00 -
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Actually, I just had an idea. Maybe you could find some group of bloodthirsty no- goodniks and offer your services as bait; you'd present yourself as a n00b who would likely scream and cry if he got his ship blown up (pirates don't seem to be able to resist that) as a means of setting up targets. In exchange for that risky job you'd get to keep your product.
Dunno if anybody would actually go for it and you'd obviously have to move around a lot as the locals wised up, but if you could get a gig like that it might be good fun.
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CRUSH BOSS
BigMek Industries
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.21 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: CRUSH BOSS on 21/03/2008 15:31:14
Originally by: Arriana Echan
I am a rather new player, just a few weeks old. I am currently a miner and when I have y skills up will start building too. I know I will get flamed for this but, I am not looking to PvP. I know this is what eve is all about, and I like that but I will not go out of my way to find it, I see avoiding the PvPers as part of my game.
Anyway, I will soon be able to fly a retriever (currently I have a vexor with 5xlight, 5xmedium and 5xmining drones, and 4 miner II's / 4 small turrets depending on what I am doing). How will I fair in lowsec? I have the assets to buy and fit my retriever, so from now on I dont intend to sell any ore/minerals and just stockpile it till I get hold of blueprints to start manufacturing, so obviously highsec belts just wont cut it, and anyway I like watching my drones tear up npc rats while I mine.
Any advice while I am here? I am in a PC corp with some great people, but you can never have too much help :)
No problem little buddy, Ill keep an eye out for you.
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Lurana Jade
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Posted - 2008.03.21 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lurana Jade on 21/03/2008 16:23:48
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I will soon be able to fly a retriever (currently I have a vexor with 5xlight, 5xmedium and 5xmining drones, and 4 miner II's / 4 small turrets depending on what I am doing). How will I fair in lowsec?
Trust me on this one pal:
I'm a 10 mil sp miner main, there's older and wiser but I have examined High, low and 0.O and worked in all of them ...you do
NOT WANT TO EVER TAKE A RETRIEVER INTO ANY LOWSEC.
PERIOD.
Even making the extremely wild assumption that you avoid getting killed repeatedly in a slow, paper thin, achingly slow aligning and warping ship, you will be docking and hiding more than you mine. A lot of people have tried this and it's just not viable/worth it, particularly for a rookie.
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Shadow Joy
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.21 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gimpb
Checking out low sec as a new player is definitely worth doing, imo, even if you don't think you're a pvp type. Just don't expect to make money out there until you learn the ropes.
You'll want to go in an expendable ship that's hard to catch, not worth the effort to track, and easy to replace (a frigate).
You're going to lose ships as you're first learning how to fly safe in the PvP zones so just plan for it. I've been learning this side of the game recently myself and I'm still managing to find new stupid ways to lose ships even though I've learned quite a bit.
Other than making sure you fly something you won't cry over losing the other big thing I think will really help your low-sec or 0.0 experience is to do it with friends be it corp mates, locals you're friends with, rl friends, or whatever. There's safety in numbers and the experienced in your group can smack you upside the head (virtually, of course) and tell you when you're doing something that's going to get you blown up.
Trust the gimp on this one.
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drones man
Shinra
Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.21 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: drones man on 21/03/2008 16:47:39
I am surprised no one has touched on this yet, but.... Learn to probe. If you look around for info look into exploration (finding hidden things in space). There is too much to describe, but basically you can find good ore such as omber/kernite/genise etc in high security systems, and also lowsec ofc (they are displayed as gravimetric sig's). Probing these out means you can mine the good ores in high security space, or if you get one in lowsec it means that pirates would have to probe you out to find your mining spot, which is still risky but MUCH safer than sitting in a standard belt, where death will surly come for you.
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Exlegion
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Posted - 2008.03.21 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arriana Echan
I think everyone here believes I think doing it all myself will bring in a shedload more ISK, which just isn't the case. I just like doing something risky in my MMO's, keeps me from killing myself stupidly in RL ;)
Risk is one thing. What you'll find in low sec is more like inevitability. As has already been pointed out, go find out for yourself. But make sure you take something fast and expendable. And keep in mind that anything bigger than a cruiser will have a difficult time surviving in low sec solo. Stay fast, small, and always keep moving. Assume that anyone that isn't blue to you is there to PVP/pirate.
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