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Vadimik
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vadimik on 21/03/2008 21:33:36
Situation is getting a bit stupid with all this completely baseless... not even rumors, but assumptions mission runners make about salvaging rights.
I got a little tired of endless "salvage stolen, boo-hoo" type of posts cluttering forums and went to Motsu to check it out myself. And it turns out many mission runners really don't know the rules and policies behind salvaging. They seem to actually think they are supposed to have ownship on wrecks and that anyone salvaging a wreck they made is "using an exploit that CCP is about to fix".
So can me please, at least, add a couple of items to "tips of the day" that clearly state that wrecks do not belong to anyone and that salvaging a wreck is always a fair game.
And, at best, a little news item on "concord confirming existing salvaging policy as perfectly viable", or something like that.
Not that I think it will stop people from whining every so often, but maybe, at least, more of them will learn to actually deal with it instead of hoping for a "fix" that is not coming.
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Myshella Drake
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:49:00 -
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I agree , even though there was a recent news item on the issue and numerous dev responses + the knowledge base, some people obviously missed it.
Personally i think CCP should create ONE discussion thread clarifying the situation and then lock down all of the whine threads, its absolutely appalling right now.
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Commander OTG
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Commander OTG on 21/03/2008 22:02:17
Edited by: Commander OTG on 21/03/2008 22:01:41
The answer is located here
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GM Faolchu
Posted - 2008.02.05 20:11:00 - [262]
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This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
As i recall, this was a pretty final decision
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Originally by: GM Faolchu
It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Vadimik on 21/03/2008 22:06:40
Originally by: Commander OTG
As i recall, this was a pretty final decision
Yes, I know it, you know it, most people who read these forums often know it.
BUT
Actual mission runners (say, in Mostu) do not seem to know that.
A sticky would be a great thing, as well as adding it to tutorial, and tips of the day, etc... I think you understand what I mean.
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yarrmarr
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:13:00 -
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Changing the way wrecks appear would probably take away some confusion. For a player they're either white or yellow, indicating whether it was 'your' (generated) wreck or someone elses.
Now, we all know that shooting a yellow wreck will brin the wrath of concord upon you. That completely goes against the statement made by the GM that concord places no value on wrecks.
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Cae'phon
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:14:00 -
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but if you blow the wreck do not you also destroy the loot inside?
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Myshella Drake
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:14:00 -
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Some sort of popup when you accepted the mission might help, but im not sure how you would word it.
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Aaspa
Echolalia.
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Posted - 2008.03.21 23:28:00 -
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Hello there,
If i may add something to this topic : the fact that other people can salvage your wrecks is annoying but it add something to the game. Eve has always been "realistic"...i mean someone blew your ship up, you lose everything, a lot of money from the fit, etc, you just get back the money of the insurance....this is why Eve is great, people really have to take care of their own stuffs...its more exiting compared to other MMO in which you respawn with everything even if you die 100 times.
Aaspa.
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Keraa
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Posted - 2008.03.21 23:39:00 -
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It would be nice if everyone knew. I loot me wrecks and salvage them when I do missions. If I saw a guy salvaging them when I came back to Salvage, I would ask him to stop but if he doesn't then the MWD race to salvage is on! 
I personally try to contact the person so I can ask if it's ok first. If the person is not online then I salvage yes. I would like the same courtesy but it boils down to first come first salvage if ya dont do it right then.
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Aaspa
Echolalia.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Keraa
It would be nice if everyone knew. I loot me wrecks and salvage them when I do missions. If I saw a guy salvaging them when I came back to Salvage, I would ask him to stop but if he doesn't then the MWD race to salvage is on!
I personally try to contact the person so I can ask if it's ok first. If the person is not online then I salvage yes. I would like the same courtesy but it boils down to first come first salvage if ya dont do it right then.
Yeah, anyway, this is not that big a deal !
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.03.22 09:38:00 -
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Posting what I posted in another "salvage whine" thread:
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Note that anyone can salvage materials from wrecks, regardless of who destroyed the ship, while looting items from a wreck can get you flagged and a legal target for the owner.
It's crystal clear.
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Vadimik
Misty Weave
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Posted - 2008.03.22 10:32:00 -
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Dear ladies and gentlemen, once gain, I have no doubts as to what rules state on salvaging.
The problem is, many mission runners seem to know that not.
Or, rather, they fail to admit that it's the official intended ruling, thinking it's same kind of "oversight" or something.
What I ask for is post this ruling somewhere where mission runners (and the like) will actually read it before they come whining on forums.
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Kaleidon Reth
Intercommercial Aerospace Retail United Stations
ICARUS Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.22 15:49:00 -
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I do agree that salvaging ought to be a perfectly viable non-combat profession, aka salvaging other ppls wrecks. But you can't do the "eve is a harsh place" quote to support that policy, because what the ffa salvage rule does is making eve less of a harsh place for the people doing the salvaging.
It's like when the eve tv guys motivated the fact you can't detect cloakers with the "eve is a harsh place, nowhere should be safe" which is equally stupid since undetectable cloakers sure can make everywhere unsafe... but the afk undetectable cloakers are 100% safe.
Anyway most missionsrunners should be happy that salvaging doesn't flag the other person because that would just mean they'd been baited and popped 10 times by now.
If they change that rule ppl will just go around grief salvaging stuff in hopes of tricking the missionrunners to shoot at them so they can pop them.
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