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steveid
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Posted - 2008.03.22 13:27:00 -
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The skill gap in eve is slowly but surely closing.
Gone are the days when a comparatively small force like MC can field a cap fleet that would overwelm the majority of 0.0 alliances and as time goes on this situation will only be compounded.
With alliances out there like MM and tri (who recently hotdropped 14 moms wtf!) out there and many other alliances at a similer level or catching up how effective can an alliance like MC be anymore?
I'm sure they do still have superior tactics, skills and battlplans and there are many alliances that would crumble before them but without serious selective recruitment how long will this continue?
The advent of titan defended cyno jammers makes it very difficult for a small force to take down an alliance quickly, the days of alliances like D2 crumbling practically overnight seem to be numbered.
Do you think that MC is a serious player for the future?
What if anything should MC be doing to stay ahead in the arms race?
Do you think I should STFU?
I for one love MC and would hate to see them marginalised.
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rockurworld
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Posted - 2008.03.22 13:30:00 -
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Nocturnal Avenger
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Posted - 2008.03.22 13:38:00 -
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 Originally by: steveid
The skill gap in eve is slowly but surely closing.
Yes - this is inevitable.
Originally by: steveid
Do you think that MC is a serious player for the future?
As long as they deserve it.
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crack hippy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
I'm sure they do still have superior tactics, skills and battlplans and there are many alliances that would crumble before them but without serious selective recruitment how long will this continue?
I flew with them when they reset BOB, and I can guarantee you're flat out WRONG.
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War Games
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Posted - 2008.03.22 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
Do you think that MC is a serious player for the future?
What if anything should MC be doing to stay ahead in the arms race?
Do you think I should STFU?
I for one love MC and would hate to see them marginalised.
1) MC is an institution (or a brand name). It's not that they neccessarily have better tactics then others but the name preceeds them at the negotiating table for price and power brokering. I don't ever seeing this group of pilots being marginalized unless some clown takes over the corporation and runs it into the ground by corp theft, joining another alliance and becoming isk farmers, or something to the like. It's built a reputation over time that exceeds the early days of m0o imo.
2) The arms race is all ficticious. The only thing that MC could do is build up enough people that if things went badly, they all log on to crash the node on purpose. That is the ultimate doomsday. I don't see them doing that because pvp and playability is something that players want to do in the end game. Their future is relatively unknown but I could see them becoming tools for large alliances to ensure themselves as powers from small upstart alliances infringing on their territory. I don't see them taking down a BOB or MM alone anymore (because like you said those alliances have grown to include massive super capital fleets). I do see however MC becoming hired assissns to make sure the local thugs don't come knocking on the door of the local mafia. OR they could be the assissins that go after specific targets in 0.0 that would be felt by alliances. This would require a spy network that would allow them to know where valuable targets are (such as titans, bpo stores, etc etc).
Hope this inspires discussion.
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.22 14:16:00 -
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Hmmm....Ill assume theyll be fine.
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Karbowiak
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 14:20:00 -
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Just to break the trend of forum alts, i will post with my main!.. 
Anyway - im sure that, any alliance who get "hot dropped" by MC will fear them - primarily because their sheer determination in how they conduct warfare is staggering.
So yeah sure, "anyone" can take them on and probably kill them - but it is sure as hell gonna take an epic fight to get there :P
ps: I LOVE V0RADOR! <3
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.22 16:12:00 -
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When there was no cap ships were MC only fighting people who didn't have BS's? 
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Morris Falter
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.22 16:49:00 -
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Waning*
Opposite of waxing, used in relation to phases of the moon, amongst others.
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V0rador
Vidar Fierd
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.22 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: V0rador on 22/03/2008 17:18:41
Originally by: Karbowiak
Just to break the trend of forum alts, i will post with my main!..
Anyway - im sure that, any alliance who get "hot dropped" by MC will fear them - primarily because their sheer determination in how they conduct warfare is staggering.
So yeah sure, "anyone" can take them on and probably kill them - but it is sure as hell gonna take an epic fight to get there :P
ps: I LOVE V0RADOR! <3
<3 ya too bro 
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.22 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Morris Falter
Waning*
Opposite of waxing, used in relation to phases of the moon, amongst others.
dictionary.com:
1.to decrease in strength, intensity, etc.: Daylight waned, and night came on. Her enthusiasm for the cause is waning.
2.to decline in power, importance, prosperity, etc.: Colonialism began to wane after World War II.
3.to draw to a close; approach an end: Summer is waning.
4.(of the moon) to decrease periodically in the extent of its illuminated portion after the full moon. Compare wax2 (def. 2).
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Jogyn
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:32:00 -
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MC can field about 60 caps + a titan at prime time right? Im sure that can be pretty helpfull in a alliance vs alliance war ;)
Maybe they cant kill alliances at their own anymore, but togheter with the ones who hire em Im sure they still can inflict some serious pain.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:36:00 -
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They may have more peers but to be waning they would need to lose members or key personnel anything else is others getting stronger not them getting weaker.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.03.22 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
Do you think I should STFU?
this.
also, people still have a long ways to go to catch up to MC.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Lowa
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:00:00 -
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Its not about how big it is, its how you use it.
I think we all have seen how supposedly good equipment used wrongly is as useful as a bucket of sand in a dessert.
Very few entities in EVE knows how to utilize the potential of their capital force.
I might be jumping to conclusions here but several of those I thought could handle themselves have not.
On the other hand there are alliances that I absolutely thought could not dance but were masters at tango.
FC's, experience, luck, logistics, balls, lag and determination plays a role ofc, more so the two first.
MC doesnt lack any of the above. But I'm sure they would love for anyone to underestimate them.
Cheers,
Lowa
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Mihailo Great
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
I'm sure they do still have superior tactics, skills and battlplans and there are many alliances that would crumble before them
Yeah, that's pretty much enough.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/03/2008 21:28:46
Originally by: Jogyn
MC can field about 60 caps + a titan at prime time right? Im sure that can be pretty helpfull in a alliance vs alliance war ;)
Maybe they cant kill alliances at their own anymore, but togheter with the ones who hire em Im sure they still can inflict some serious pain.
They never could kill a real alliance on their own, even for the complete surprise attack that as prohibition I they didn't even try to solo IAC 
and that was before they realized we had good allies willing to back us up
IAC was never the strongest alliance around and they still brought plenty of backup
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steveid
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Jogyn
MC can field about 60 caps + a titan at prime time right? Im sure that can be pretty helpfull in a alliance vs alliance war ;)
Maybe they cant kill alliances at their own anymore, but togheter with the ones who hire em Im sure they still can inflict some serious pain.
They never could kill a real alliance on their own, even for prohibition 1 they didn't try to solo us and that was before they realized we had good allies willing to back us up.
Dont you owe someone a bet you ******* thief? Your a*****roach till you pay.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:30:00 -
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no pilk got his money , but thanks for sharing always nice to hear from my fans
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Pilk
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Morris Falter
Waning*
Opposite of waxing, used in relation to phases of the moon, amongst others.
Quit making me agree with an -A- member. Now I need to go find the Purell.
--P
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Morris Falter
Waning*
Opposite of waxing, used in relation to phases of the moon, amongst others.
Quit making me agree with an -A- member. Now I need to go find the Purell.
--P
Man that is creepy, I just used some. Addictive stuff .__________.
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Dum Spiro Spero
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
The skill gap in eve is slowly but surely closing.
Gone are the days when a comparatively small force like MC can field a cap fleet that would overwelm the majority of 0.0 alliances and as time goes on this situation will only be compounded.
With alliances out there like MM and tri (who recently hotdropped 14 moms wtf!) out there and many other alliances at a similer level or catching up how effective can an alliance like MC be anymore?
I'm sure they do still have superior tactics, skills and battlplans and there are many alliances that would crumble before them but without serious selective recruitment how long will this continue?
The advent of titan defended cyno jammers makes it very difficult for a small force to take down an alliance quickly, the days of alliances like D2 crumbling practically overnight seem to be numbered.
Do you think that MC is a serious player for the future?
What if anything should MC be doing to stay ahead in the arms race?
Do you think I should STFU?
I for one love MC and would hate to see them marginalised.
Most of the alliances in this game will still crumble virtually overnight in a fair fight vs a competent opponent. As most vetrans will tell you, skill points hardly matter, it's the pilot behind the points that matters.
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C601
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/03/2008 21:28:46
Originally by: Jogyn
MC can field about 60 caps + a titan at prime time right? Im sure that can be pretty helpfull in a alliance vs alliance war ;)
Maybe they cant kill alliances at their own anymore, but togheter with the ones who hire em Im sure they still can inflict some serious pain.
They never could kill a real alliance on their own, even for the complete surprise attack that as prohibition I they didn't even try to solo IAC
and that was before they realized we had good allies willing to back us up
IAC was never the strongest alliance around and they still brought plenty of backup
@ your crusader setup that went pop today. AB ?
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Redbad
Tempered Steel Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.23 00:06:00 -
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I guess its not about the number of cap ships they can spend on a contract, but all about the ISK they end up with after a contract.
RB
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SlowMovingFisherman
I Eatz Ur Baconz
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Posted - 2008.03.23 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Morris Falter
Waning*
Opposite of waxing, used in relation to phases of the moon, amongst others.
Quit making me agree with an -A- member. Now I need to go find the Purell.
--P
0_o fix is still alive?!
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Athena Rivera
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.23 02:12:00 -
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Their experience and leadership have taken them ways never imaginable as a band of Mercenaries taking on contracts which they uphold to every isk worth that a player in eve can always expect. I was part of their gang at the time when EC was to be taken off the 'waining' d2 and anything that remained of their alliance which got replaced with allies of bob. The other occasion was the time of aiding FIX from the invasion of AAA, along with UNL and IAC soon came into play on Querious as well.
From my understanding, they don't lack the leadership or the experience as MC are indeed an impressive force. I wish them the best on their upcoming contract as TRI have also fought Smashkill and friends at their home in Geminate. GL MC!! o7
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Mr cynoman
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.23 03:46:00 -
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Let MC die there goonie lovers! and smash kicked MC's pink butt's, says it all for me!!!
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Maxima Maxi
Pink Bunnies
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.03.23 04:12:00 -
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I think it is much more than just ships and skill points, i had pleasure to be in one fleet with MC and to say the least i was very impresed with the way everything was organised...
It is all about planning and executing and they can do it well, i am sure we will have MC around for long and if anything they will grow bigger and better.
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.03.23 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: steveid
The skill point gap in eve is slowly but surely closing
SP != PLAYER SKILL
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Tob Seayours
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2008.03.23 12:42:00 -
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In-game skill, strategy, tactics and manpower coordination will still win. And from where I stand, the MC still have all of this. Whereas some alliances out there are about as coordinated and well-oiled as a rusty old BMX at the bottom of the Hudson river.
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