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Suki Kamir
Network 23
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:29:00 -
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Q1 has 8 days left in it, still no premium graphics in the Cedega Client (unless I missed something?)
When is this going to happen, it is getting beyond a joke now it has been what 4 months? since Trinity was released?
Please give us an -honest- update with a real ETA.
Suki
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Eclipsion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.22 21:21:00 -
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I'm interested in the same question. :-)
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Sonisi
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.24 02:24:00 -
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This is something I have been watching as well, there was a dev response that its up and running but they were just ironing out some bugs. Guess there was alot of bugs....
*sigh* looks like I am going to have to wine it up after all (But also support the call for an update on the ETA more specific than soon).
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Ravow
Trident Enterprises Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:28:00 -
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It's probably normal... It's transgaming Full peoples leave transgaming becose of this lack of communication/update problem
http://www.cedega.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8924&start=135
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Eclipsion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.26 23:24:00 -
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SO you guys recommend to do NOT wait for transgaming and "simply" install eve by using wine only? IS that right?
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Ravow
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.27 00:33:00 -
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I don't recommand anything,
If you want premium content now, Install wine :) If you want to stay with the official wrapped client, you can wait for it.
For Wine, you can use wine 0.9.58+ and it will work out of the box (assuming you have an nvidia card and downloaded the premium client).
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.27 09:06:00 -
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As mentioned in another thread, we had to delay the premium graphics slightly to fix some more urgent bugs in the Linux and Mac clients. We will be releasing the new time frames shortly.
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.03.27 16:44:00 -
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I've not had any problems what so ever with premium content in Wine. Installation is identical to Windows. A few registry tweaks, but that's for overall performance more than anything. Check out the winehq db entry on Eve, but bear in mind most of the comments are for people with problems, not the vast majority.
(That's even with HDR+Bloom (although no AA with that, and no way to over-ride it unlike Windows with nHancer).)
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Suki Kamir
Network 23
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Posted - 2008.03.30 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm As mentioned in another thread, we had to delay the premium graphics slightly to fix some more urgent bugs in the Linux and Mac clients. We will be releasing the new time frames shortly.
I am curious about one thing. Given that both CrossOver and Wine are supporting premium graphics now I am curious as to why you guys went with Transgaming in the first place? The transgaming client takes about 20 seconds to start (compared to 3-5 seconds for Wine/Crossover), has lower FPS than wine or crossover in classic mode, doesn't support clipboard or numberpad correctly (whereas Wine and Crossover both do), has unexplainable graphics glitches which don't exist in Wine or Crossover (such as their PNG issue or the Markets/Fitting Screens).
So upon review it would seem that the Transgaming client was a bad decision given the above issues. Then when you consider their inability to stick to deadlines they set (with regards premium content) and the -total- (yes I mean complete) lack of communication from Transgaming with their customers (I am a paying Transgaming customer not just an Eve subscriber (although not for long)) driving their users to utter frustration.
Please explain why you are still using this cowboy operation for your Official Linux client? After being a paid subscribers to Transgaming for 2 years I am about to cancel my subscription with them and put the money into Wine and Crossover wallets instead. I think it is about time that CCP bit the bullet and accepted their partnership with TG is not going as it should and consider moving official support to a project that actually moves forwards and regularly communicates with the community (such as Wine or Crossover). That way CCP get better value for money (there must be some financial incentive to TG for their work on the official client) as do their customers and a project will benefit from much needed financial input.
I vote you go with Crossover (since they do pretty much all the d3d for Wine anyway and submit many of their fixes directly to the Wine git repository) and dump TG, they have brought it upon themselves.
Suki
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Mamede
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Posted - 2008.04.03 03:22:00 -
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my thought exactly suki, I've also been transgamming subscriber for..I don't even know how long. I think 100% just like you. I remember when the old winex started was so much better than wine, what it seems from the outside in my opinion is: they didn't improve the "wine" part and started to put patches to cover holes, and then their software became somewhat outdated compared to wine/crossover.
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Lord Matrix
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Posted - 2008.04.04 22:08:00 -
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I agree with the above 2 posts. If something doesn't work out, dump it before it's too late. I think it's in the best interest of us all to have a competitive product. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. 3/4 pure lunatic, 1/4 absolute genius |
Ravow
Corsaire.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:20:00 -
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+1
I have canceled my transgaming subscription long time ago (the 5$/month for no update, a broken thing and 0 communication...)
All my game work with Wine... Many of them don't work or now broken with Cedega.
Wine is a good choice... And he is NOT binary, like Cedega so you can build it like you want Optimisation, CFLAGS....)
For the Linux client, why not simply make a page with How-to install wine step by step for the major distribution and give the Windows client? This is less costly and more proper than the Transgaming thing. Just ensure that your update don't broke with Wine or do another patch if you broke it... So update for Linux will be released in same time and everyone will be happy :)
Ravow PS : Sorry for my bad english
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Schakal Voes
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Posted - 2008.04.06 23:59:00 -
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Just curious: is there anyone who got premium content in Linux with a GeForce 7600 GT, I mean in a reliable, playable way? I have a faint suspicion (from what I've read in the forums, other places and my own experience with this card), that this card isn't well supported by wine and its variants (wine-git and crossover, cedega even don't attempt premium content so far - smart choice).
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Mamede
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:48:00 -
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crossover office renders everything in my gf7700. It has a drop of FPS's to 15-20 near a station while in premium.
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Schakal Voes
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:38:00 -
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Interesting. Basically it also does render everything for me, but near stations it's so slugish it almost reminds to a dia-show. If it's rendered in software mode as I suspect, then you probably have a fast CPU? I have a Sempron with 1,8 Ghz, not very fast these days...
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Becka Call
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Posted - 2008.04.12 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ravow +1
I have canceled my transgaming subscription long time ago (the 5$/month for no update, a broken thing and 0 communication...)
All my game work with Wine... Many of them don't work or now broken with Cedega.
Wine is a good choice... And he is NOT binary, like Cedega so you can build it like you want Optimisation, CFLAGS....)
For the Linux client, why not simply make a page with How-to install wine step by step for the major distribution and give the Windows client? This is less costly and more proper than the Transgaming thing. Just ensure that your update don't broke with Wine or do another patch if you broke it... So update for Linux will be released in same time and everyone will be happy :)
Ravow PS : Sorry for my bad english
I think that ccp's failure to make Q1 can reasonably be attributed to Transgaming. And I think for linux the above is the way to go; however that doesn't really help any of the Mac gamers out who also use Cedaga builds. If what I've been reading on their eve-o forum though, the performance is even worse on Mac. From the All But Windows perspective it really is too bad they didn't use OpenGL for the premium client. We might have had a true native Mac and Linux client. (And yes I know it would have had less performance in windows than the DirectX, but not to the extent that Mac and Linux have now.)
Thinking about it though; CCP may want to look at winelib in place of cedega's version of it. Probably worth a couple days of someone's time. If it can be used in a dynamic link to the client they may be able to quit paying transgaming for an inferior product.
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Schakal Voes
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Schakal Voes on 12/04/2008 13:38:11 I see CCP's main failure in refusing to start with a multiplatform graphics engine (e.g. OGRE) in the first place. This decision will be hard, if not impossible to indemnify. Winelib looks like a good idea, though I doubt it can solve the graphic issues.
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Aerandir Telrunya
Gallente Bears Inc Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Aerandir Telrunya on 12/04/2008 17:24:58
Originally by: CCP Lingorm - over two weeks earlier As mentioned in another thread, we had to delay the premium graphics slightly to fix some more urgent bugs in the Linux and Mac clients. We will be releasing the new time frames shortly.
Any news on a time frame?
I've had a look around but can't seem to find one. If I'm not missing something and you guys haven't released one then how about a time frame on the time frame?
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Beren Haderach
Amarr Archon Industries The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Schakal Voes Edited by: Schakal Voes on 12/04/2008 13:38:11 I see CCP's main failure in refusing to start with a multiplatform graphics engine (e.g. OGRE) in the first place. This decision will be hard, if not impossible to indemnify. Winelib looks like a good idea, though I doubt it can solve the graphic issues.
The only thing preventing EVE from running smoothly in all platforms is the use of DirectX by the Trinity engine. Had they used OpenGL, we would have native clients ages ago.
Winelib cannot do anything wine already doesn't. You don't gain much by using it, except for a "native" executable, which means nothing once Wine has finished loading the executable in memory.
CCP missed a pretty good oportunity with the graphics engine overhaul to create it using OpenGL. Back in the Win95 days, the DirectX API was very simple, so that it could be used in consumer video cards. Only later decent video cards were created, able to render OpenGL properly.
Nowadays, it is not an issue. You can even have DX10 level effects in Windows XP, if you so desire.
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Ravow
Minmatar Corsaire.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 22:02:00 -
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It's better to use Wine+windown executable than winelib.
Wine can be linked dynamiquely and you can chose optimisation for is compilation (if you use Gentoo). With winelib, you will get a binarie optimised by CCP (so no Core2 optimisation and custem LDFLAGS) and you will be forced to install useless or deprecated libraries :/
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