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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.23 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 23/03/2008 22:52:42
DECEMBER 2007
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Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.03.24 00:13:00 -
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Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
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Splagada
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Posted - 2008.03.24 00:34:00 -
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he really doesnt look 90.
what a great mind he was, respect
Rama totally was totally awesome
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AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 04:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyanzes
Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
Its a hard one to call, by thinking aliens are going to show up and be hostile and try to wipe us out or enslave us we are judging things by our own standards as that's a very human way of doing things and if humanity is ever given a chance to roam the stars its more likely we would be the ones bullying more primitive or less warlike beings as conquering and exploitation and general slaughter and mayhem fills our history of exploring new frontiers.
But also thinking any alien species are going to super enlightened and come down to give us technology and generally be nice is also representative of human expectation.
Alien species might not even recognise us as "sentient" and just think of us as some kind of animal or something and treat us like bacteria or the way we treat primates but the truth is really impossible to call.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 06:08:00 -
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A Covenant With Death
by Bill Cooper
Now this is one heck of a trip of a read...
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 06:35:20
Now before you totaly laugh off that last post I made give this a serious view.
On Wednesday, May 9th 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 07:02:43
Then follow that up with this...
Pay particular attention to the last quarter of this video. In fact if your short on time skip the first 3/4 of this one and start 75% of the way through.
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Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.03.24 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kyanzes on 24/03/2008 07:22:53
Originally by: Sephra Star
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 07:02:43
Then follow that up with this...
Pay particular attention to the last quarter of this video. In fact if your short on time skip the first 3/4 of this one and start 75% of the way through.
I do know two separate people who both swear they saw aliens. One of them saw a UFO hovering a few meters away the other claims to have seen alien creatures from up close.
I never saw anything to be honest and even though I'm open to stuff like this (Coast to Coast AM ftw) I'm also having a hard time believing it. I like to contemplate it but that's all.
I see no reason for the alleged aliens to not to reveal themselves to the public so it's most probably a lie. Unfortunately.
Still a lot more believable than "hollow earth" and stuff like that though 
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 07:32:00 -
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Chicago O'Hare International Airport UFO sighting - deleted scene from Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind
"Some of the people that Burl (Ives) knew were good friends with Ronald Reagan. He was able to confirm information that I had heard from other sources. For example, I have met two people who were with Ronald Reagan during the screening for "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" by Steven Spielberg. This movie is actually a documentary or docudrama, since most of what is depicted came from Air Force files that Spielberg secretly had access to at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Ronald Reagan turned to the people who were at the screening at the White House and said, "There are only a couple people in this room who know how true what this movie is portraying is." This was repeated to me by two seperate witnesses.
Most people don't realize that one of the chief control points for the (UFO/ET) secrecy is the mobbed-up culture of money and corruption in Hollywood and the big media. It's very much infiltrated by interests of the "national security" shadow state.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 08:33:05
While on that Board of Directors it is well known NOW that Bush Sr. was in fact active in the CIA which he later became the head of. Furthermore, at the time he sat on the Board of Directors of Elli Lilly they were manufacturing the LSD that was passed out free to College Students all over the United States.
Think About It
If you don't wake up you never will.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 10:11:00 -
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Just in case any of you think I was interjecting any BS to this thread I give you this to top it all off.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 10:29:00 -
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IT GETS BETTER
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:10:00 -
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This thread was fine until you danced on sir clark's grave with your agenda.
Im sorry if this sounds hatefull but im not very happy that you take his last video and link to your anti government views.
Yes I believe aliens are out there and yes I dont think the government is telling us the whole truth but dont bring sir author clark into this.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 17:37:24
I did not post in this thread to promote some anti-government agenda as you seem to think.
Relating historical fact backed up with credible witnesses?
The information speaks for itself.
I can't think of a single subject that would be more appropriate to a thread on Arthur C. Clarke.
When I posted the initial link I had no ulterior intention other than to post an interesting interview by a man I knew many people here were interested in from the threads started after news of his death circulated.
We have had multiple "wake" threads honoring the man already. I find no disrespect towards the man's memory in expanding on the topic he was most famous for. I fail to see how you do.
What followed just seemed appropriate in response to the first person who responded to the thread who brought up the subject that I elaborated upon.
Originally by: Kyanzes
Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
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MAXSuicide
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 24/03/2008 18:21:30
Originally by: Sephra Star
the following text is from Dr. Steven Greer's book "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge":
"Some of the people that Burl (Ives) knew were good friends with Ronald Reagan. He was able to confirm information that I had heard from other sources. For example, I have met two people who were with Ronald Reagan during the screening for "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" by Steven Spielberg. This movie is actually a documentary or docudrama, since most of what is depicted came from Air Force files that Spielberg secretly had access to at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Ronald Reagan turned to the people who were at the screening at the White House and said, "There are only a couple people in this room who know how true what this movie is portraying is." This was repeated to me by two seperate witnesses.
Most people don't realize that one of the chief control points for the (UFO/ET) secrecy is the mobbed-up culture of money and corruption in Hollywood and the big media. It's very much infiltrated by interests of the "national security" shadow state.
Of course, when you're someone like Burl Ives, you know everyone and everyone knows you. So, one meeting led to another, and I ended up meeting a number of celebrities. What I found from some of these meetings was that the UFO matter was an open secret - people knew it was real and that there had been assassinations and murders to keep it secret. Hollywood and the entire film and media industry was mobbed-up, top down, with control points that had become more and more entrenched, as time went on.
I learned from a number of people that you can't really do films on the subject of ETs anymore unless there's a heavy militaristic, xenophobic overlay. We went from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to movies like "Independence Day" and silly things like "Men In Black" or "Mars Attacks". These movies all have an invasion or military conflict theme. These covert interests want the populace brain-washed via this type of propaganda to the falsehood of "alien hostility". Hollywood, and the media in general, are key control points."
[b]The X Files and Battle Star Galactica?
If it is true you have to conclude we are being brainwashed with a false reality of the actual reality. A Global PSYOP which is in truth what this "War on Terror" is. The 911 Truth Movement has proven beyond any doubts that there is some kind of massive coverup going on. There is ample proof that the massive drug epidemic is in truth being fronted by covert elements of government. Ask yourself to what advantage there is in keeping as much of the population on drugs as can be pushed? Not just illicet drugs either. The Pharmaceutical Industry is raking in the segment of society that does not go for the illegal drugs. For...
Wow... its like a disjointed, unrelated rant and completely unfounded.
it just gets more and more idiotic as it goes on.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 18:36:51
Well perhaps you can concentrate on the video testimonies of the Discloser Project. Maybe they are more your speed.
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AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 19:39:00 -
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You need this.
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Orgos Khenn
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.24 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
blah
Thanks. I'm sure Arthur C Clarke would be proud. 
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.24 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 24/03/2008 21:05:43
Originally by: Sephra Star
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 17:41:15
I did not post in this thread to promote some anti-government agenda as you seem to think.
Relating historical fact backed up with credible witnesses?
The information speaks for itself.
I can't think of a single subject that would be more appropriate to a thread on Arthur C. Clarke.
When I posted the initial link I had no ulterior intention other than to post an interesting interview by a man I knew many people here were interested in from the threads started after news of his death circulated.
We have had multiple "wake" threads honoring the man already. I find no disrespect towards the man's memory in expanding on the topic he was most famous for. I fail to see how you do.
What followed just seemed appropriate in response to the first person who responded to the thread who brought up the subject that I elaborated upon. I had come upon the knowledge of the Disclosure Project some years ago and was only sharing what I knew with others.
Originally by: Kyanzes
Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
You do have an anti government agenda, and as many agendas work you have proof.
He wanted to be remembered as a writer not a conspiracy theorist for the love of pete, and you expanded that to fit your personal vendetta against the government.
Frankly if you want to start an anti government thread with all this stuff, do so....Dont start one talking about sir clark and flood it with this.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:36:13
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:35:07
I did not post in this thread to promote some anti-government agenda as you seem to think.
Relating historical fact backed up with credible witnesses?
The information speaks for itself.
I can't think of a single subject that would be more appropriate to a thread on Arthur C. Clarke.
When I posted the initial link I had no ulterior intention other than to post an interesting interview by a man I knew many people here were interested in from the threads started after news of his death circulated.
We have had multiple "wake" threads honoring the man already. I find no disrespect towards the man's memory in expanding on the topic he was most famous for. I fail to see how you do.
What I posted was appropriate in response to the first person who responded to the thread who brought up the subject that I elaborated upon. I had come upon the knowledge of the Disclosure Project some years ago and was only sharing what I knew with others. I suspect the naysayers in this thread have not even bothered looking at the Disclosure Project.
Originally by: Kyanzes
Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
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Shanzem
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.24 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:36:13
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:35:07
I did not post in this thread to promote some anti-government agenda as you seem to think.
Relating historical fact backed up with credible witnesses?
The information speaks for itself.
I can't think of a single subject that would be more appropriate to a thread on Arthur C. Clarke.
When I posted the initial link I had no ulterior intention other than to post an interesting interview by a man I knew many people here were interested in from the threads started after news of his death circulated.
We have had multiple "wake" threads honoring the man already. I find no disrespect towards the man's memory in expanding on the topic he was most famous for. I fail to see how you do.
What I posted was appropriate in response to the first person who responded to the thread who brought up the subject that I elaborated upon. I had come upon the knowledge of the Disclosure Project some years ago and was only sharing what I knew with others. I suspect the naysayers in this thread have not even bothered looking at the Disclosure Project.
Originally by: Kyanzes
Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
FAILURE
TL;DR GFTO.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.24 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:36:13
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 21:35:07
I did not post in this thread to promote some anti-government agenda as you seem to think.
Relating historical fact backed up with credible witnesses?
The information speaks for itself.
I can't think of a single subject that would be more appropriate to a thread on Arthur C. Clarke.
When I posted the initial link I had no ulterior intention other than to post an interesting interview by a man I knew many people here were interested in from the threads started after news of his death circulated.
We have had multiple "wake" threads honoring the man already. I find no disrespect towards the man's memory in expanding on the topic he was most famous for. I fail to see how you do.
What I posted was appropriate in response to the first person who responded to the thread who brought up the subject that I elaborated upon. I had come upon the knowledge of the Disclosure Project some years ago and was only sharing what I knew with others. I suspect the naysayers in this thread have not even bothered looking at the Disclosure Project.
Originally by: Kyanzes
Would be awesome to meet aliens or at least capture messages sent by them. Even though I have a bad feeling about that future event. Look at what humans do to other humans. What should we expect from aliens?
So then its just chance that you have a pile of data and a speech ready and waiting for somebody to ask?
Its very obvious you are anti government, maybe not all government but specifically the american government and its shown not just by this thread but the others you have posted stuff like this whenever you get the chance.
Sorry if this seems hateful, I just hate finding a post that suppose to be a memorial turn into this.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 22:06:23
Originally by: goodby4u
So then its just chance that you have a pile of data and a speech ready and waiting for somebody to ask?
Sorry if this seems hateful, I just hate finding a post that suppose to be a memorial turn into this.
Your giving me a lot more credit then I deserve.
What I posted in this thread just flowed spontaniously.
In addition; I actually reviewed the videos before I made a decision to post them and spent quite a few hours at that.
Look at the time stamps.
I submit to you that if it appears I had the information ready and was just waiting to bait someone so I could post it in response I would have to call YOU a Conspiracy Theorist at the very least.
I can't help it if I have a broad spectrum of familiarity with so many things. I can say that I have spent a great many years aquiring it.
We have already had multiple "wake" funeral memorial threads.
Clarke is now history with a well earned place in it.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.24 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/03/2008 22:04:27
Originally by: goodby4u
So then its just chance that you have a pile of data and a speech ready and waiting for somebody to ask?
Sorry if this seems hateful, I just hate finding a post that suppose to be a memorial turn into this.
You giving me a lot more credit then I deserve.
What I posted in this thread just flowed spontaniously.
In addition; I actually reviewed the videos before I made a decision to post them and spent quite a few hours at that.
Look at the time stamps.
I submit to you that if it appears I had the information ready and was just waiting to bait someone so I could post it in response I would have to call YOU a Conspiracy Theorist at the very least.
I can't help it if I have a broad spectrum of familiarity with so many things. I can say that I have spent a great many years aquiring it.
We have already had multiple "wake" funeral memorial threads. Clarke is now history.
Yes but he was a great man and it is far too soon for him to be"history".
As for me being a conspiracy theorist, im on these forums alot as you can see and I have also noticed that many people go to great lengths to"troll", though im not calling you one I do believe you have serious mistrust in the government and will try to discredit them whenever you can.
I applaud acts like these as I question the government aswell but in a thread about a recently deceased genius?I dont think so.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 22:17:00 -
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...you quoted me before I finished my edit.
Clarke is now history with a well earned place in it.
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AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.24 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
What I posted in this thread just flowed spontaniously.
Verbal diarrhea has a habit of doing that.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.24 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: Sephra Star
What I posted in this thread just flowed spontaniously.
Verbal diarrhea has a habit of doing that.
Luckily we don't have to concern ourselves with that on the internet unless we are using speakers, or a Mic/Headset.
The biggest problem I come across is people like you who quietly spew it in the threads of forums.
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AndrewRyan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.25 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Originally by: Sephra Star
What I posted in this thread just flowed spontaniously.
Verbal diarrhea has a habit of doing that.
Luckily we don't have to concern ourselves with that on the internet unless we are using speakers, or a Mic/Headset.
The biggest problem I come across is people like you who quietly spew it in the threads of forums.
Re read your posts and then come back and tell me in full honesty that I am the one posting rubbish, if you can do that I would suggest you contact your local mental health authority and explain your feelings and belief system to them, they can help you know.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 25/03/2008 01:05:34
Edited by: Sephra Star on 25/03/2008 01:04:41
Originally by: AndrewRyan
Re read your posts and then come back and tell me in full honesty that I am the one posting rubbish, if you can do that I would suggest you contact your local mental health authority and explain your feelings and belief system to them, they can help you know.
I don't need to re-read it. I wrote it.
Most of what is there is in links to videos.
The information speaks for itself.
I never said at anytime that I believed, or disbelieved any of it.
I made a short interjection of a few paragraphs having to do with incontrovertable historical fact to give things a little better persepective in relation to the information in the videos with a single postulative conjecture.
One thing I did do was watch every video in every link I posted before I posted it. I found it intriguing and interesting and very closely associated to the field of Arthur C. Clarkes work.
Furthermore the people who have come forward in the Disclosure Project are very well know and respected members of the Acedemic Community with some extremely convincing credentials.
For instance...Daniell Sheehan that attorney is very high profile in the United States. Very well known and respected. He is one of the founders of the CRISTIC Institute which was responsable for the the IRAN CONTRA scandal being exposed to the world.
Sheehan in effect took the White House to court in Miami.
Two Federal Judges were murdered to stop the Cristic Institute.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.25 02:36:00 -
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Here are several pages in a message forum I came across attempting to DEBUNK the Disclosure Project.
I cannot find any reputable debunk on the net for the DISCLOSURE PROJECT. CAN YOU?
Word on the street is the UFO movement/cult is a CIA psy-op.
Which makes ufologists dis-info agents.....
I suppose the Disclosure Project could be some kind of leveraged blackmail operation.
Possibly for safety for themselves and their familys from whatever agenda is planned that Greer and his Associates might forsee needing protection from.
The best exchange on the DEBUNK issue I could find was this.
(myke @ Dec 31 2007, 08:58 AM)
As far as debunking the Disclosure Project, I actually found this thread while searching for a valid debunking of this project. Unfortunately, I was unable to find that here. Your comments, though somewhat persuasive, are based on your personal beliefs. The fact is, that none of us truly know any of the answers to the questions that we are asking, and there are likely very few men who do. I found the press release to be very interesting, however I am unable to fully believe ANYTHING without seening or experiencing it for myself. Even, if I saw a UFO myself, I wouldn't entirely believe it until I could verify it with my other senses as well. There are such things as naturally occuring illusions, or even unnatural illusions. The only reason I give any of this any credit at all is the consistency in eye witness accounts, and the consistency of data from electronic equipment (i.e. radar). There are so many things we do not understand, we should really try to avoid jumping to conclusions.
reply: Badeskov
I would agree with you. As I see it there is not really any reason to debunk the disclosure project as there is nothing to debunk, in my honest opinion. They put out a lot of declassified papers, however, most of it is not really relevant as it is either completely unsubstantiated or way past due it's expiration date. And no conclusions has really come out of it. So while the Disclosure project have had a reason for being in existence, well, I think it should change to being more of a searchable library so one can make one's own conclusions rather than this sitting-between-two-chairs entity it is now.
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